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Kasie Hunt Spreads Fake News Biden’s Segregationist Pals Were ‘Republicans’

Joe Biden specifically named the segregationist Senators: James Eastland of Mississippi and Herman Talmadge of Georgia, and both were "proud, card-carrying members of the Democrat Party". https://www.teaparty.org/kasie-hunt-spreads-fake-news-bidens-segregationist-pals-were-republicans-368762/ Our mission is to bring awareness to any issue which challenges the security, sovereignty or domestic tranquility of our beloved nation, The United States of America. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.158.216.180 (talk) 21:45, 20 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the message I posted at User talk:72.88.120.129 who recently inserted similar material but based on another source. I'll let other editors comment in this source. —PaleoNeonate – 22:57, 20 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Kasie Hunt Spreads Fake News Biden’s Segregationist Pals Were ‘Republicans’. Actually, the only problem is that they were both Democrats. https://usbreakingnews.net/2019/06/20/kasie-hunt-spreads-fake-news-bidens-segregationist-pals-were-republicans/ 72.88.120.129 (talk) 14:58, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not an RS as far as I can see.Slatersteven (talk) 15:03, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Neither "TeaParty.org" nor "usbreakingnews.net" are reliable secondary sources. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 15:09, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Probably WP:UNDUE for this article. starship.paint (talk) 07:28, 22 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Trump and Putin discuss Fake News at G-20

In June 2019, while attending the G-20 summit in OSAKA, Japan, President Trump and Vladimir Putin briefly discussed Fake News. President Trump offered disdain for the assembled media, during a meeting, in which, shortly after Putin celebrated the rise of the populist right in Europe and the United States and declared that traditional Western-style liberalism “has become obsolete.” Trump stated, “Fake news is a great term, isn’t it? You don’t have this problem in Russia, but we do.” However Putin insisted in English, "We also have, It’s the same."

When Mr. Trump was then asked by a news reporter if he would tell Russia not to meddle in American elections, Trump responded, “Yes, of course I will.” Mr. Trump then turned to Mr. Putin and said, "Don’t meddle in the election, President." Mr. Trump then pointed at another Russian official and repeated, “Don’t meddle in the election.” https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/28/us/politics/trump-putin-election.html 174.150.200.144 (talk) 21:23, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Putin's comments about the populist right did not occur at the summit. At your source: "In an interview published just hours before the meeting, Mr. Putin celebrated the rise of the populist right in Europe and the United States and declared that traditional Western-style liberalism 'has become obsolete.'" Trump responded by criticizing the historically liberal political leaders of American west-coast cities, such as San Francisco and Los Angeles, apparently not understanding that "Western-style liberalism" has nothing to do with California or the American West. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/06/29/trump-just-proved-he-doesnt-even-know-meaning-america/ (I don't know whether to laugh or cry.) General Ization Talk 21:35, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes!!! after Putin stated In an interview published just hours before the meeting. good add!! "apparently not understanding" is your opinion and not fact. btw, this wiki article is about Fake News, not some misinterpreted misunderstanding about "Western-Style" anything... 174.150.200.144 (talk) 21:41, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, "apparently not understanding" is very clearly sourced at the citation I provided, but it is an opinion piece, not news reporting. The part about not knowing whether to laugh or cry is clearly my opinion (and was expressed in my voice). My main point was to correct your implication that Putin's statements about the populist right and the obsolescence of Western-style liberalism (which you, not I, brought up here even though they are not strictly about "fake news") were made at the summit; they were not. General Ization Talk 22:45, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
How about - In an interview published just hours before the meeting, Mr. Putin had also celebrated the rise of the populist right in Europe and the United States. 174.150.200.144 (talk) 22:54, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No, since that is verbatim what appears at your source. Use your own words, please. General Ization Talk 22:56, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I feel a need to provide context to the world leaders brief discussion regarding Fake News. Thus referencing the Putin declaration.. Some edits were made to re-represent the published article, switching around the facts into a wiki article. help edit it, if you want..
(not knowing whether to laugh or cry). huh??! confusion all around us.. hope you find your way..... 174.150.200.144 (talk) 01:37, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In June 2019, while attending the G-20 summit in OSAKA, Japan, President Trump and Vladimir Putin briefly discussed Fake News. President Trump offered disdain for the assembled media, during a meeting between the two nation leaders. This occurred shortly after Putin had celebrated the rise of the populist right in Europe and the United States and that, in his opinion, traditional "Western-style" liberalism had "become obsolete.” Trump stated, “Fake news is a great term, isn’t it? You don’t have this problem in Russia, but we do.” However Putin insisted in English, "We also have, It’s the same." When Mr. Trump was then asked by a news reporter if he would tell Russia not to meddle in American elections, Trump responded, “Yes, of course I will.” Mr. Trump then turned to Mr. Putin and said, "Don’t meddle in the election, President." Mr. Trump then pointed at another Russian official and repeated, “Don’t meddle in the election.” https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/28/us/politics/trump-putin-election.html174.150.200.144 (talk) 23:03, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Valid contributions to the Fake News wiki article involving world leaders from a wiki RS... Why not??? WP:NOTNEWS opposition seems like opposition opinion editing and suppression of valid factual content. So... 174.150.200.144 (talk) 01:37, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I concur with Drmies that none of this has the potential to contribute anything at all to readers' understanding of the topic of this article. At this point, the consensus, barring further reporting that makes it relevant, is not to add information about Trump's and Putin's exchange on the topic of fake news at the G-20 summit in Osaka. General Ization Talk 01:44, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
?The consensus? c'mon man what are you ??? consensus?? 174.150.200.144 (talk) 01:50, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Read the information at WP:CONSENSUS (which was linked above), please. General Ization Talk 01:52, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]


No confusion... here: [with no additional information}:

In June 2019, while attending the G-20 summit in OSAKA, Japan, President Trump and Vladimir Putin briefly discussed Fake News. President Trump offered disdain for the assembled media, during a meeting between the two nation leaders. Trump stated, “Fake news is a great term, isn’t it? You don’t have this problem in Russia, but we do.” However Putin insisted in English, "We also have, It’s the same." https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/28/us/politics/trump-putin-election.html174.150.200.144 (talk) 23:03, 29 June 2019 (UTC) 174.150.200.144 (talk) 02:04, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

really, -> "none of this has the potential to contribute anything at all to readers' understanding of the topic of this article".. really?? 174.150.200.144 (talk) 02:33, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In June 2019, while attending the G-20 summit in OSAKA, Japan, President Trump and Vladimir Putin briefly discussed Fake News. President Trump offered disdain for the assembled media, during a meeting between the two nation leaders. Trump stated, “Fake news is a great term, isn’t it? You don’t have this problem in Russia, but we do.” However Putin insisted in English, "We also have, It’s the same." https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/28/us/politics/trump-putin-election.html174.150.200.144 174.150.200.144 (talk) 02:34, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

So no ? 'no response then? is it time to add to the wiki article then? I'm ready,,, 174.150.200.144 (talk) 03:22, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Your having recited the exact same text multiple times in this section isn't likely to change anyone's opinion; nor does it require a response other than the ones you received above. I have reverted your change to the article, since it is against the current consensus. General Ization Talk 03:40, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You have objected the same old fears here. why do you subvert reveal of the truth thru reliable RS? wiki needs to to be be a reveal not a conceal... 174.150.200.144 (talk) 03:44, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I did not "object the same old fears" (whatever that means); I explained Wikipedia policy. Not everything published, even in a reliable source, that mentions a particular topic needs to be published in a Wikipedia article about that topic. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. In this case, two editors with a total of 25 years of experience here and almost 400,000 edits between them feel that your addition does not add value to the article; a single IP who by all appearances has made fewer than 100 edits at a total of two articles, the first less than 24 hours ago, feels it does. Unless you are able to achieve consensus for your changes, I recommend that you do not make them again. General Ization Talk 03:54, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, and so it goes.. recited the exact same text multiple times in this section. yep, you're right - "the same old fears"174.150.200.144 (talk) 04:07, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We already have more then enough material about Donnies views, we do not need to have every statements he makes, thats what twitter is for,Slatersteven (talk) 09:15, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Is it not significant that due to the brief exchange, Fake News is revealed to be present in RUSSIA ? OMG, RUSSIA Call Mueller!!! Call Nadler, call the democrats, save the planet 174.150.200.144 (talk) 13:30, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No, as we are not any of those things. Out job is to be a source of relevant and important information, not a conduit for every remark made by Putin or Donnie.Slatersteven (talk) 13:37, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
fine, I will add this content to conservapedia So Donald Trump will be accurately documented. 174.158.126.196 (talk) 15:09, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Fine, best place for it.Slatersteven (talk) 15:12, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

recent edit

Why is this [[1]] in the article, this seems a huge violation of Undue.Slatersteven (talk) 10:26, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why is Donald Trump's definition of "fake news" not mentioned?

In 2016, Donald Trump condemned the news media as "the enemy of the American people". He began using the term "fake news" to accuse the media of being a dishonest industry, with little integrity, misrepresenting the truth in order to sell newspapers, stirring up scandal, sensation, and turning celebrities into figures of hatred (including himself) all to sell more newspapers.

In response to this damning indictment from the President, the media subsequently redefined "fake news" as a broad term meaning all online disinformation and hoaxes, such as that found on social media sites. This redefinition of the term "fake news" conveniently shifted the accusation away from the mainstream media, while making it impossible to google Mr Trump's original definition.

I find it troubling to see that this article does not even mention Mr Trump's original definition, but uses the media redefinition exclusively.

Since these two very different definitions, each meaning very different things, I recommend that a new article is created for Mr Trump's original definition of "fake news": the accusation of a corrupt media industry which actively lies in order to make money. As opposed to the definition given here, which simply means online disinformation and hoaxes.

In addition, this article totally misrepresents Mr Trump's definition by claiming it was his attempt to cast doubt on "legitimate news which he doesn't like". The lone reference given to back this up is false. In the author's personal opinion, Mr Trump "admited that fake news just means news he doesn't like". But the quote given said no such thing. Mr Trump did not define the term "fake news", he merely used it in passing. Grand Dizzy (talk) 16:27, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 7 October 2019

we need to add the discussion about the recent fake news in the related tab 206.211.34.22 (talk) 16:47, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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