Talk:Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest

Vandalisim

Someones written 'You Suck' and deleted some stuff, could someone else fix it Im not really sure how. Thanks.

Cleanup

Crying out loud, that's some messy grammar. I've done a little to help, but I'll be damned if I'll do it all. Anyone care to lend a hand? ;D 68.225.240.87 09:24, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Mzprizz32 03:17, 16 July 2006 (UTC)I agree that the beginning of this article was totally unnecessary! Children do read this stuff!

Why does there continue to be a "Clean-Up" Warning on the Dead Man's Chest copy. It is not currently overlong, confusing or ambiguous. How is it determined that this be removed? PNW Raven 14:49, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Because to remove it it's something needs to be discussed by the editors, not by one person. Second, with the fact that there is so much editing being done to it every day, is shows it's still in need of work. I've seen your edit the plot 3 or 4 times day, for consecutive days. This level of editing, even if minor, is another reason it's there. The tag isn't just about "overlong, confusing or ambiguous" plot, it's about anything that needs to be done with it. There are more specific tags that can be used i'm sure, but this one does the same job. Bignole 15:21, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. Overall, the article is done. The only edits I've been making, and will continue to make, are very minor ones to refine the prose and syntax and clarify plot points, but not the overall general content, which I think is pretty good. PNW Raven 21:29, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, I don't know the exact tag, but you are welcome to find the correct tag and replace the "plot" tag. I know there is one for just alerting a section needs "sprucing".Bignole

And speaking of grammar (see the first post), by the time I did any work on the PotC articles, most of the grammar (and spelling) looked to be in pretty good shape. However, I removed most of the colons, semicolons, em dashes, etc. from all of the articles. There were way too many. I actually love using these; they are effective literary devices—but only when used sparingly. (The same goes for using parenthesis and quoting dialogue.) There should be no more than one or two of each per article. I also streamlined nearly every paragraph removing excess words and phrases that were only adding "dead weight" to sentences.PNW Raven 02:24, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I think maybe the best tag currently would be the { {copyedit} } tag. Bignole 02:37, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I'll just leave the tag as is, as I'm still a "newbie" and I'm just beginning to learn how things work around here.PNW Raven 01:09, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok, it almost seems like we are back where we started. I shortened the entire plot yesturday and removed a lot of details for a reason, and it seems like it's back to exactly where it was 2 days ago. Plots don't need all these details. If it isn't necessary then it doesn't need to be there. (example: You can simply say Talia (sp) helped Jack and his crew by ...... , instead of going into all this detail about how they traded the monkey. There are more like this. The drunken brawl doesn't need detail.) Bignole 14:10, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

It's far from being where it was before and contains far less detail than the previous version. However, the shorter one you rewrote was written as if it's assumed every reader has seen the movie. There was little or no continuity or differentiation from one event to another and it had too much description of certain characters, like Bootstrap Bill, which added nothing to explaining the storyline. Key plot points like what was Jack's debt to Davy Jones about, why Beckett wanted Jack and the compass, and why everyone is after Jones' heart were left out. Regarding the monkey, it just suddenly showed up at the end with no explanation of how it got there. It really wasn't necessary to mention it at all, but if it is, there should be something about it beforehand. The same with Norrington who suddenly appears at the pub and is being knocked out by Elizabeth. Why would she do that? Readers should know something about his fallen circumstances and why he's even there. Compared to other articles, it is now about average length and shorter than the one for PotC: The Curse of the Black Pearl.PNW Raven 00:46, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

You're substituting watching the film by listing all that detail. Check out Halloween (film) for a good idea of what a plot should outline. When someone dies, they say just that, you don't see tons of details leading up to why they die, and that is a Featured Article. For a longer film, one that would rival the length of this movie, see Revenge of the Sith. Notice the plot in that film. There are details, but extraneous details that only serve to mildly explain something that isn't relevant to the movie as a whole are left out. The fact that they traded the monkey for information is irrelevant. The purpose of a plot is not to explain every last detail so that the reader knows why everything is happening as such, it's just point out the key plot points and leave it as such. Wiki is not a substitution for watching the film, and explaining why everything is taking place is substituting from watching the film. Bignole 03:47, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Whoever wrote all of the PotC articles composed them as a chronological synopsis of the film, and I edited them accordingly. If the article is to be a brief plot analysis, then it should be completely rewritten as such, rather than the current one just being chopped up to become shorter.

I can't help what other people do, or have done. But plots should not be so detailed that they become substitutions (it's in the "What Wikipedia is not" article). Plots should be brief; granted this movie is overly long and thus it's "brief plot" will be longer than most films. An example would be saying something like, "Will discovers the location of the key to Davy Jones' chest and steals it while he is sleeping." You don't need to explain that he played Liar's dice and that his father sacraficed his sould for his son's. Yes, it's a big moment, but not important to what Will is doing, which is attempting to steal the key. You can get the point across with simple sentences explaining the important aspects. If it can be left out without detracting from what is actually going on, then remove it. The Liar's dice game is irrelevant to what Will is doing, it was only a means of helping him accomplish his goal, and thus better suited for watching than reading. Bignole 13:21, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree that whoever wrote the original article included too many descriptive details, such as Liar's Dice, Jack Sparrow escaping the prison, and the whole Jack and Eizabeth and that dang "kiss." They're unnecessary, although you also left these in the article when you edited it, while more important plot points were deleted. Things I previously removed kept returning, such as Davy Jones looking upward to the heavens and cursing Jack Sparrow, Barbossa eating the apple, the monkey, etc. Who cares? I have since edited them out. I would have rewritten the entire article, but that would have been inappropriate, and I instead concentrated on fixing grammar, syntax and trimming general content while respecting what the original author had written.PNW Raven 14:47, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I left some minor things in just because I didn't want to have to fight the people over it. I agree the whole "high heaven" thing shouldn't have been there. Aside from some Anons, you seem to be the only one really editing the plot anyway, and if an entire rewrite is necessary (which to a degree it is) then so be it. If someone disagrees they know where to go.Bignole 15:16, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I was also concerned about causing an "uproar" over deleting certain items people feel strongly about, and I left things in that I would have preferred to see go. I tried to stay within Wikipedia rules of not changing someone else's work to reflect my own views, opinions or analysis.PNW Raven 15:23, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's becoming clear that only you and I are concerned with this article's future (considering that it appears people want to groom it for a Featured Article listing). I say, if someone has a problem with it, then they come here, otherwise it needs to be rewritten. Remember, there are also policies for being "BOLD" and "going against the rules if it serves the betterment of the article". Bignole 15:45, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I was unaware of that. Maybe I'll become "bolder" and work on rewriting the article in that case, as maybe you will also. I will, of course, be more than happy to edit anything you write. ;-) For now, I think the length is more acceptable and overall the plot synopsis simplified.

I haven't read it recently, haven't had the chance...will do so later. Bignole 04:12, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Bignole, did you redo the Lady Washington page? It looks good.PNW Raven 00:41, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

That's probably best reserved for my personal talk page, but just to answer you no I didn't. I've never even ventured over to that page. Just check the History tab and you can see who did what. Bignole 00:45, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Davy Jones: Milestone?

"The completely computer-generated Davy Jones turned out to be so realistic that many reviewers have mistakenly identified Nighy as wearing prosthetic makeup."

I think Jones may be the FIRST instance of a CGI character being mistaken by adult audiences as being "real." If that is the case, that fact seems worthy of mention in the main article, or at least the character’s article. Can anyone confirm this?

Xargon666x6 2:20, 28 Aug 2006

How would you go about confirming something like that? PacificBoy 21:46, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Did the Chinese ban Pirates?

G4 mentioned something about this earlier. That the government thought its citizenry "couldn't handle" the film. Anyone know if this is true or have any form of verification? --AWF

I don't know, but it sounds about right. They banned the Da Vinci Code too. I know that one for a fact. They would have the power to under a communist/socialist society. 64.194.234.163 02:08, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Don't blame the politic society, blame the politicians who missuse the power they are given... Otherwise, yes, I do believe POTC got banned in China, I can check up on it if you want?

How to use Jonse's Heart

Crystaliser I understand why they want his heart: One wants it for its power, one wants it to regain honour and statue and one wants revenge for family. What i dont understand is how can you use the heart, can you control jones with it or somthing? or is it just blackmailing jones once you have it?

• That's how I understood it, I mean, if it can destroy him it must be of great value and that would be an excellent bartering chip or blackmail opportunity. ShadowUltra 15:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC

• It's important beause its Davy Jones' heart and he can't live without it. Will wants to stab/kill it so davy Jones will die and 'Bootstap Bill' will be free; Jack wants to threaten Davy jones and say that he'll kill it unless Davy counts his debt as repayed and calls off the Kraken, that's why he won't let Will kill it because if Davy Jones dies before he can call of the Kraken it will be chasing jack for the rest of his life. Norrington wants it to give to the East India Trade company guy so he can get a job there and the East India Trade Company guy wants it because whoever has the heart basically rules the seas eg: Davy Jones has to do everything whoever has the heart wants him to do because if he doesn't they might kill the heart, thus killing him. it's simple--JG ROX 03:43, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Crystaliser Ok so all he can do with the heart is blackmail, then it is really stupid, if you do the ordering right all three of them can do what they want, Jack first clears his debt with jone, then Norrington can make a deal with the crown saying if he gets his position back the India trade company will be safe at the sea and jones will be gone forever , finally will goes ahead and stabs the heart. wha-la all three (four infact) get what they want.

What I originally thought was that one who controls the heart can control Jones not by blackmail but somehow alter his thinking or something, this way they can summon the kraken at will etc, blackmail wise then like i said at the top it can be reslove quite easily.

Yeah but it's Jack, Will and Norington's fault if they're all stupid. I agree if they just worked together it would be a lot more simple but there would still be the small Elizabeth problem (they also all want her). Really killing one another over the heart is to them benfitial in both ways, eg: they will get the others out of the way so they can do whatever they want to do with the heart and they will get the others out of the way so they can do whatever they want with Elizabeth (assuming she lets herself become an object more than a person and is just fine having her fioncé possibly being killed by or killing her ex and Jack who she seems to nurse a large 'soft spot' for)--JG ROX 04:49, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually, no - both Jack and the East India Company want the heart so they will permanently control the sea. For that to work, they have to keep Jones alive, so that he will protect their ships and destroy/attack those of their enemies. Thus their goals are mutually exclusive - Jack and the EIC aren't going to want to share power, and if Will destroys the heart, he ruins Jack and/or the EIC's control of the seas. --Tim4christ17 08:01, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that Jack wants to "permanently" control the seas, wouldn't that take all of the fun out of being a pirate? I just think Jack wants to be able to go back to his 'happy go lucky' life: 'raiding, piliaging and plundering people's weazly black guts out'. I think he just wants to be able to go back to having fun and stealing treasure and seducing women etc.--JG ROX 22:37, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

• I agree with JG, cause in the end if Jone dies, he being the main threat to EIC and all the other pirates, means if he dies then Jack will be one of the top pirates around without being permanently in control of the sea. With the black pearl (ask jone to summon it back before killing him?) he has the best ship around, the EIC will have less troubles in the sea and Jack can somehow back them up (ie: dont touch them or i'll hunt you down) and will gets his father back...lol Crystaliser

The Monkey

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Why is the monkey still cursed> shouldnt it have been lifted at the end of the first movie?

After the credits in the first movie there is a scene where you see Jack (the monkey) picking up a piece of Aztec Gold and in effect re-cursing himself---JG ROX 01:30, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

But to still be cursed, the Jack the monkey has to carry that coin around with him at all times, or at least keep it away from the rest of the horde. Minglex 17:04, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Not necessarily, Bootstrap Bill stayed cursed even when he sent the coin to Will. Obsessed

• Not neccesarily. He might have been retrieved by Davy Jones before the curse was lifted. - SkarmoryThePG 00:11, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

To be cursed all anyone needs to do is to take a coin out of the chest; to un-curse themself they need to return all the pieces and repay blood from everyone who took a piece of trasure out of the chest. that's why in 'The Curse Of The Black Pearl' Barbossa's crew are still cursed even before they get all of the treasure back, its also why everyone they sold it to didn't get cursed. So all the monkey had to do was pick up a piece of treasure and put it down again, as long as he didn't bleed in the chest after he took the treasure out of the chest he'll be cursed no matter what until he re-pays his blood.--JG ROX 03:50, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

i didnt see any of Barbossas crewman cut themselves and repay the blood. so whats the sense in that? (Cablebfg 23:37, 11 July 2006 (UTC))

They'd been cursed for, what, a decade by then? That's plenty of time for each of them to cut themselves with each coin retrieved. 68.225.240.87 09:02, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually, after reading the plot of Curse of the Black Pearl, i see that it does require spilt blood from all that have taken from the cursed treasure. So yes, until Jack (the monkey) spills its own blood, the curse will stay with him. (Cablebfg 23:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC))

• Also i read on the 'Jack the Monkey' information that after the first film and before the second one there was a storm and the chest was washed away with all of the gold pieces. So for Jack (the Monkey) to become un-imortal he'd need to return all of the pieces of gold into the chest (remembering that the gold has been spread across kilometres of ocean floor) and give his own blood back.--JG ROX 21:37, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

In short, not likely to happen. 68.225.240.87 09:03, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Back To Back

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The filmmakers are shooting the two sequels back-to-back, à la The Matrix Reloaded and The Matrix Revolutions as well as Back to the Future Part II and Part III. Because of this, filming is not expected to end until December 2005.

Back to the Future <--- ?

68.100.161.83 02:53, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Back to the Future Part II and Back to the Future Part III. As the wikipedia stage for Part II states, the second and third parts of the trilogy were filmed at the same time and released six months apart. Kaellana 22:07, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

It was the same with Lord of the Rings 'The Two Towers' and 'Return of the King'--JG ROX 03:52, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

No, it was not the same with Lord of the Rings. All of the Lord of the Rings movies were shot simultaneously. -Captain JD Sparrow

SPOILERS

Template:Spoiler Someone said that inside the chest is Davy Jones' heart (because his lover leaved him and he is so heartbroken and tore it out...), is that true? Chrisyu357 13:16, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes. This was revealed in an article back in December. [1] Myrana13 14:45, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, but just another question: Did Barbossa's crew joined Jack's crew? Cause I saw Pintel in one scene of the trailer when Will Turner said "Never mind, let's go." Chrisyu357 11:44, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Only Pintel and Raggetti, I would think. The others can't be seen anywhere in the new trailer and it's just them, Jack, Will, Liz and the crew from Tortuga. -Captain Jack

The fact that Barbossa is in this movie should be considered a SPOILER. Geoffrey Rush is not listed in the credits. It is a major plot twist at the end of the film. I am removing the information from the main page.

-Spoilers are allowed, but should be under the spoilers tag. Anyway, it's only the comedy duo and Barbossa who re-appear. Oh well. Fishies Plaice 23:53, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

How'd he die?

First somebody said Jack Sparrow was murdered by Barbossa. Then somebody said that his ship was sunk by a Kraken and he drowned. So which one is it?ЄИЄЯפЇЄ 20:57, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Um...when did Jack Sparrow die?? I mean, Barbossa comes back and the Kraken is real, but nowhere has anyone said Jack dies. Besides, it would be the dumbest thing that Disney could do, seeing as he is the entire life and soul of the movie; no-one, and I mean no-one would come to see the third one. And post a siggy next time please, I hate talking to someone who I don't have the slightest clue whether its the same person or not Fshy93 22:03, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea, and am curious to that, myself. They'd better not let him die. I'm a huge Jack fan, and if they do I'm personally hunting down Ted and Terry ¬¬ –Obsessed

Hmmmm....I'm a Jack fan also, so I did a bit of research, and the rumors state that the Pearl is sunk by a Kraken and he drowned, and the third movie is about somehow saving Jack's soul by going to some weird underworld...sounds like a lame plot to me, so I'm hoping it doesn't happen. Fshy93 22:02, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

That would make a horrible plot. And I don't see why Barbossa has to come back at all... –Obsessed

I agree, i seems silly that Barbossa is back becuse the whole point of the first movie was to get rid of him (Barbossa), wasn't it? i used to be a Jack fan but i think he's so cruel ruining, or at least endangering, Will and Elizabeth's marriage/love- --JG ROX 01:19, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it's Jack's fault. I rather think it's because of Elizabeth. --Obsessed 16:34, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I do agree that it was partly because of Eizabeth, i guess i just feel sorry for Will, no matter whose fault it was- JG ROX

Also i get the feeling that Jack isn't dead, in Cavern of Fear (Deltora Quest) there is a similar monster and its only weak point is its mouth- --JG ROX 01:18, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

SPOILER: Davy Jones takes Jack's soul as payment for some debt and the third movie is about Will trying to recover the soul. At least, this is what I read somewhere what I can't remember where.

I read in the novel that the Kraken kills Jack, and Davy takes his soul. Movie three is where they go and take Jack's soul back. Davy does survive! And so does Bootstrap Bill.

- Jack is killed by the Kraken, the Black Pearl is destroyed. In film 3 they must go to the ends of the earth to get him back- with Barbossa as their captain. Fishies laice 23:51, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

• Jack is eaten by the Kraken and then the Kraken goes on to destroy the black pearl. Jack does get his hat back though

• Jack's soul is obviously going to be saved in the next film if they say johnny depp is going to be in the next one. they cant kill him, that would be stupid of disney. but yes, for some reason jack jumped into the kraken's mouth and i guess he died. and then next movie is about them going to the end of the world to save jacks soul with the help of barbosa from the first movie. i read that the next movie comes out MAY 28TH 2007. and will be called PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: AT WORLD'S END -- -piratelover004

CORRECTION- No one know what its going to be called next, on the encyclopedia page it has the two names that Disney is most likey to use for the name of the next Pirates of the Caribbean--JG ROX 03:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Another correction: The third film is coming out May 25th, 2007. --Obsessed 16:46, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

So hold on.Is Jack dead or what?

Jack is dead during the final part of POTC 2 and for an unknown length of time between the movies and also into the start of POTC 3. Presumably, somewhere during POTC 3, Jack will be brought back to life by unknown means. (Rumours point to resurrection at the hands of Tia Dalma. Remember that, however likely, they're still rumours.) So Jack is dead but not permemnantly. -Captain JD Sparrow

WHOA!

This movie seems so much darker than the first one. I'm kind of dissapointed that the filmakers would make this movie like this...

I know, it seemed like a perfect ending of the first one, but I'm still anxious to see the sequels –Obsessed

This movie is one of the best movies i've seen this whole year..Bar none. it is way darker than is predecesser and has at least twice the action. The romance between Will and Elizabeth is slightly cooled in this film, which is dissapointing because you dearly wished for them to be together in the last film, but the diliema Elizabeth goes through with her feelings is almost a plot on it's own. The special effects are amazing, you'll be thrown back in your seat by some of the Flying dutchman Crew. I have to say though, most of the comedy in this movie is based on inside jokes, so if you hadn't seen the first one, you might not catch the humor (like the rum jokes) but it will keep you laughing. Go see this movie it is something you will want to see in theaters. -hillary g.

It was a great movie, but i thought it was really confusing. I mean does Elizabeth like Jack or is the compass pointing to the chest and Jack happens to be standing in that direction? I loved POC1 (Pirates Of the Caribbean 1)but it just seems like so much has changed between the end of that and the beginning of Dead Mans Chest.

1- Will and Jack were like really good friends and they could almost know wht the other one was going to do next in POC1 but in POC2 they're like almost enemies

2- In POC1 Jack and Will team up against Norington so why don't they in POC2???

3- I sort of interpret the sword fight over the Dead Man's Chest (just beore they are on the water wheel) to also be over Elizabeth but then why don't they pay any attention to her?

4- Gibbs isn't nearly as obsessed with luck as he s in POC1

5- Elizabeth and Will don't seem to have become at all closer than they were in the first one.

6- In POC1 Jack doesn't really seem very interested on Elizabeth, i mean when they're on the island he sort of tries to seduce her but when she burns the rum he decides he hates her doesn't he? So why is he so interested in her in POC2?

7- POC1 was really funny, i watched it about five times in the cinemas and when i got the dvd i watched it at least twice a week and everyday in the holidays and it is still hilarious but POC2 doesn't seem to have as many jokes. i mean in POC1 there's like the serious scene where Elizabeth is a child and then it goes on to the funny one with Jack, i was expecting something similar with POC2 and i suppose the bit where Jack breaks out of the coffin is supposed to be like that but it just doesn't have the same effect on you. POC2's jokes are funnier but there aren't as many.

8- Does anyone else see an obvious similarity between the bit in the cages and the bit in the water wheel? in both scenes people are just rolling around in circles! i think the cage bit was funny but the water wheel bit went on for too long.

9- Now just to warn you im like completely obsessed with the Will, Elizabeth, Jack triangle so forgive me if i go on about it for too long. ok, Jack likes Elizabeth and Elizabeth thinks she might like Jack; Will likes Elizabeth and tries to be friends with Jack (i say tries because Jack doesn't seem to want to be friends with Will anymore); Elizabeth is Will's almost wife so you'd assume she likes him. so why does Jack suddenly want to take Elizabeth from Will? In POC1 as i've already said, Jack and Will are like best friends in a crazy sort of way; they know what the other one is planning (eg: when Jack tricks Barbosa at the end of POC1 and he and Will 'kill' him and some of his crew) so how come Jack like hates Will in POC2

10- Jack seems to sort of loose his 'happy go lucky' personality, he's still funny, but not nearly as much as he is in POC1

Also if you've read Deltora Quest (Emily Rodda) there is a certian similarity between the 'Fear' (Cavern of Fear) and the Kraken. The scene near the end where Jack is on the Black Pearl and the Kraken comes out of the water and you see its mouth you're supposed to assume it eats him. But in Deltora Quest Cavern of Fear the Fear's only weak point is its mouth, any similarity???? Also Barbosa is still alive right... in the first movie they say "captained by a man so evil that hell itself spat him back out" why couldn't it have spat him out again? I mean it seems a bit far fetched but it does make sense. I guess you're supposed to assume the freaky witch lady brought him back to life, but why couldn't he have been spat out of hell again? Maybe i'm the only person who thought it was confusing but seriously, lots of things seem way different in Dead Man's Chest, if you know the answer to my previous questions please tell me!! All in all Dead Man's Chest is really good, if you haven't seen it it's the second best movie eva!!! (the original is always the best!!!)- --JG ROX 01:20, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'm going to try to answer nearly all of those, me being the obsessive crazed fan I am.

1. Will and Jack become enemies because they both want the chest for their own purposes. And I suppose it started earlier even that all Will wanted was Jack's compass, and he wasn't about to give that away.

2. Norrington isn't too much of a threat any longer. He isn't chasing down Jack to hang him like he is in the first, and being that Jack and Will are sort of against eachother, they can't team up just to fight Norrington.

3. I didn't find the fight to be over Elizabeth in the slightest. Jack, Will, and Norrington are each fighting over the chest for their own reasons. Jack, to get Davy Jones to call off the Kraken, Will to remove his father from servitude, and Norrington to give it to Cutler Beckett and become a lawful privateer.

4. Eh, I rather agree with you there, so no answers here.

5. Well, they weren't near eachother for the first half of the film, and in the second half they had to focus on fighting thr Kraken.

6 & 9. I believe Will and Elizabeth both definately love eachother. I think that Jack's just being his womanizing, seductive self since Elizabeth happens to be the only woman around him in the film. As for Elizabeth and the compass pointing at Jack... I really am not sure, she's probably just drawn the Jack like every other woman.

7. I certainly found the jokes in Dead Man's Chest funny, but I think they were just trying to match what they did in Curse of the Black Pearl. That didn't make it any less funny, though.

8. They were both rather similar, but I didn't have a problem with it.

10. It's difficult to be happy when the ruler of the depths is after your soul, I think Jack stayed in good character in this film. –Obsessed

Plot removal

The plot may be subject to copyright and should not be added to the article. Publishing key elements of a work that has not been commercially released yet is not fair use, see Harper & Row v. Nation Enterprises. --Michael Snow 06:50, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Though probably not illegal, especially considering the book's own revelations, it seems inconsiderate to post the film's final plot while the film is still in theaters. I may be alone in this, but it seems rational to allow a finished work to have its day in the sun before it is deconstructed so plainly. Just a thought. --Spesek 21:30, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

summary

http://wherestherum.com/bookspoilers.html is a full summary P.h 17:42, 16 April 2006 (UTC)p.hP.h 17:42, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Someone read it! P.h 13:56, 18 April 2006 (UTC)p.hP.h 13:56, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Plot

The novel isout that should tell us the plot. Jamhaw 20:44, 17 May 2006 (UTC)jamhaw

New Logo

I heard on YouTube that a new Disney logo will debut before the film. Could somebody find more information on this? 24.207.210.139 22:38, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

It mentions it here.

This links to a page that has been removed. Suggesting removal of link. Thanks. --Spesek 21:27, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Keith Richards

It says that Keith Richards might be playing "Bootstrap Bill" Turner in the 3rd movie, but the actual article on the character claims that the role has been awarded to Stellan Skarsgård. I don't know if that's true or not, but obviously either this article or the other is wrong. JesperLærke 20:55, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Skarsgård is Bloom's father, Richards is Depp's father. Or their characters are, anyway. Fishies Plaice 23:49, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

My two cents

Just got back about an hour ago and I can say much written here is correct. I can also say I loved it. However....I have some theories as to what is to come....(WARNING! AVERT YOUR EYES IF YOU HAVEN'T GONE TO A LATE NIGHT PREVIEW AS I HAVE! SPOILERS FOLLOW HERE!!!!!)

1) I think that Davy Jones's heart is going to be a lot more than the British East India Company bargained for....the kraken WILL be back....and Norrington will summarily @£$£@@$ himself, but not before realizing that the British East India Company does not have his or anyone's best interests at heart.

2) Captain Jack is not dead. Just "hibernating." Disney would not be stupid enough to completely 86 him since he is the biggest box office draw they have had in years, and I think we shall see him again, soon. Furthermore, I think the Black Pearl may either be rebuilt in the next film or it is residing wherever Jack went at the end of this one. 3) Barbossa is going to be one hell of a guy to contend with as a captain, especially since he tried to kill most of the main players in the first one. Keep a weather eye open.

4) We never really do find out what deal Elizabeth's father made on her behalf.....this will be important, I think.

5) The backstory to Davy Jones's heart being in the chest in the first place I have a feeling is a foreshadowing of things to come with Elizabeth and Will. (If you saw your woman "betray" you with a pirate, wouldn't a seed of doubt be planted in your heart as to her heart being true? Will the compass betray Elizabeth in the future?

6) Does anyone remember the rhyme from Treasure Island? (Fifteen men on a dead man's chest.....drink and the devil hath done for the rest......) It could be a clue as to how Davy Jones will wind up...

7) And on top of it all, they are going to squeeze in Jack Sparrow's dad. Hmm, sounds to me like Barbossa is going to have a crewmember suspiciously similar in temperment to one eyeliner wearing pirate with a bad case of ataxia. shadowcat60 4:00, 7 July 2006 (EST)

Also, interestingly, they say we're going to find out more about Jack's past dealings with the East India Trading Company. Maybe this will explain exactly why the compass wouldn't point one way for him? Fishies Plaice 10:10, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

This is just my opinion but the compass obviously doesn't point one way because Jack's indecisive about what he 'most desires'. i think its between Elizabeth and... something else. If you watch the scene where he's rowing away fom the pearl (near the end of the movie) he looks at the compass before he turns around and comes back, im almost positive its pointing to Elizabeth (or it could be pointing to the Pearl, but i doubt it).- --JG ROX 01:24, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I believe Jack's compass is pointing to the Pearl. Think about it, he spent ten years trying to get her back after the mutiny. You can tell afterward that it really breaks his heart to say abandon ship. --Obsessed 01:21, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Answer to number 4) The deal they make is that Governor Swann continues to send messages saying that everything is fine and if he does the EIC will make sure that Elizabeth isn't hurt when they kill Jack and the crew of the Pearl.--User:JG ROX 06:52, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Cthulhu+Dr. Zoidberg

I've never actually read any of Lovecraft, but have found out some of the details about Cthulhu from various parodies, such as the webcomic "Hello Cthulhu". Davy Jones' appearance looks a bit similar to him (facial tentacles, of course), and I think a lot of this movie's audience might think similar things. But I didn't see any info about Lovecraftian inspiration on the IMDB page for this movie, at least not yet. I don't want to add anything because that would probably be considered original research. What do others have to say?

A bit closer to home, there are anatomical similarities between Davy Jones and Dr. Zoidberg from Futurama as well (facial tentacles as well as claw hands). Again, what do you think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andyjay729 (talk • contribs)

The facial tentacles are kind of familiar, as is the desire for souls and the dwelling at the bottom of the sea. But Cthulu is a lot larger- bigger than the kraken, probably, and winged. So the similarities are stretched a bit... Fishies Plaice 19:22, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I think Davy jones is basically the stereo-typical sea monster (no i don't mean a dinosaur looking thing). Facial tenicles and an obsession with other people's souls definately aren't new 'monster' features. I don't think Davy Jones is copied from cthulhu but his looks and obsessions aren't new to humaniod-seamonster characters. The whole facial tentacles thing seems so similar and i have no idea who Lovecraft is and i've only watched one episode of futurama ever, so i think he's just a stereo-typical sea-lord guy who anyone can know is evil at first sight--JG ROX 04:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Anyone read the webcomic "Penance?" They spoofed this in one strip, where the monitor was aditioning for Davy Jones because his in-game avatar is Cthulhu.

Uhhh...something tells me that Dr. Zoidberg wouldn't make a scary sea monster. And they're not tentacles, they're flaps, because in "Why Must I Be A Crustacean In Love?", Edna, of Zoidberg's species, the Decapodians, uses the excuse, "I have to powder my mouth flaps," to go to the bathroom in the middle of dinner. So I say they're flaps, not tentacles. But it is a 2D cartoon, so I may be wrong. But I don't think Jones was inspired by Dr. Z. A Yiddish lobster doesn't scare me. Woop woop woop woop woop woop woop woop. 24.229.135.128 02:28, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

the highest opening weekend?

I believe the statement about the possibility of this becoming both the highest opening day and highest opening weekend could be phrased to include the fact that Revenge of the Sith was the highest opening day before DMC beating it. Revenge of the Sith had prevoiusly beaten spiderman already for the highest opening day but not for the opening weekend. Just my 2 cents NeoXtremeX 07:04, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of cannibal island. When Jack was chief of the tribe of natives. What was it that they put around his neck? He took a bite of it - I could not figure out what it was and now I have a bet with a friend. Can anyone help me with this? Sympson

Those were a bunch of fingers, laced into a necklace, mostly looking similar to thumbs, and i believe he either bit a part of the nail (cuticle) or probably the dead skin off of the thumb. (Cablebfg 23:34, 11 July 2006 (UTC))

No they're toes, if you don't believe me check the Visual Guide.--JG ROX 06:56, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Island jack escapes from at the beginning

The island shown at the beginning of the movie. What is it? At the beginning of the movie you see jack's first mate drinking and singing, and then the camera pans to a firey hell looking island that finally stops at a bunch of workers dumping caskets into the sea from which jack is shown to be in one and escapes.What is the name of that island? Most of the island in the movies are based off of real islands and locations (except for some of the islands of myth.)

Just one of Jack's usual silly and random adventures, just like how he got on the cannibal island and taking that boat in the first film.

Yeah but most locations in the movie are based off of actual islands. It seems to be a sort of penal colony...can anyone elaborate?

I thoutght it bore a more than passing resemblance to Château d'If. --Musha 01:26, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it's supposed to be real... that arching stone bridge fifty metres up looks quite unlikely. In the preview, it was shown right before Davy Jones' church organ scene, so I'd assumed it was his base or something. Of course I was wrong. And I'm a little disappointed that it wasn't explained. Battle Ape 03:27, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

The official site calls it "Turkish Prison," but Turkey is too far away...

Just because it's a turkish prison, it does not mean that it is IN turkey. -Captain JD Sparrow

Ninja review

I think this reviewon askaninja.com is worth a mention. I assume it is tongue in cheek (on account of the Pirates versus Ninjas meme), but as I have not yet seen the film, I can't be sure. Colossus 86 12:07, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Time

When does this movie take place, in relation to the first? I assume it's a few months after? - 81.151.191.50 18:15, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I also was a little unsure of the timing but you'd assume it's about 6+months after 'Curse of the Black Pearl'. It would take about that long for Will to propose and for the wedding to be planned--JG ROX 04:01, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

It had to have been about a year because Jack explains that he was captain of the Black Pearl for two years before he was mutinied, then, as we know, he got the Pearl back ten years later. Leaving one year after the events of the first film for Dead Man's Chest to take place. --Obsessed 01:16, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Same island?

Were the following islands... a) The cannibals' island b) Jamaican chick's island c) Island where the Dead Man's Chest was buried ...all supposed to be the same? Because Jack was reluctant to go over open water when they left the cannibal island, and at the end of the movie the survivors of the Pearl somehow made it back to the Jamaican chick's place in that little rowboat (which they could not possibly cross a sea in). Battle Ape 03:30, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I know Dead Mans Chest island was seperate but i think 'Jamaican chick's' (or as i say 'freaky witch lady's) island might have been the same one as the cannibal one for these reasons: Same island- you don't see them travelling through open water between the cannibals and the witch lady/////Different island- you'd think all of the people watching them from the shore would try and take Jack again, no one (except possibly [Captain]Jack Sparrow) would be stupid enough to stay on an island where there are crazy cannibals chasing after you so they can cook and eat you.--JG ROX 05:08, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I do agree it seems impossible for the survivors to make it a long way from the Pearl wreckage to the witch lady in a rowboat, but maybe Jack just stayed in one general area so he was never far from land--JG ROX 04:06, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Barbossa's Apple Obsession

has anyone else noticed how Barbossa seems to have a strange obsession with green apples. In the the first Pirates of the Caribbean when he offers Elizabeth an apple she thinks it's poisoned. This may serve a part in his obsession but seriously! Also in Curse of the Black Pearl, we get the clue that the apple is poisoned because of the 'Snow White apple superstition', but in the time where the film is set Snow White hadn't yet been written, why does Elizabeth think the apple is poisoned and not the wine or any other food?--JG ROX 05:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

In the first film, Elizabeth noticed that Barbossa wasn't eating anything and kept offering her food. It was only when he offered her the apple that she realised that the food might be poisoned. --Obsessed 00:08, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

In the first film, he mentions that all he wants to do is be able to TASTE the green apple, so in the second film he is seen finally eating the apple and obviously enjoying it as he can now taste the apple. also, when Elizabeth is first offered the apple (first film), this was the first time Barbossa had ever offered any food item to Elizabeth, so after that she seems to relax and doesnt fear that he poisoned any other food, because i believe he ends up taking a bite out of that green apple he offered her. correct me if im wrong. (Cablebfg 19:48, 11 July 2006 (UTC))

In the first film Barbossa can't eat so he can't eat apple he offers Elizabeth. It's not the first consumable item he offers to Elizabeth because he says "try the wine (Barbossa pours wine into her glass and Elizabeth drinks) and the apples, one of those next" then Elizabeth says "it's poisoned" but why does she think the apple is poisoned and not the wine?--JG ROX 22:48, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I see, well, im not sure, they break it down in the Captain Barbossa article though. (Cablebfg 23:34, 11 July 2006 (UTC))

He also says somewhere in the first movie that the first thing he's going to do when the curse is broken is "eat a bushel of apples".

Yeah i know, but really that's a pretty stupid thing to say; i mean why apples???JG ROX

Elizabeth is starving, so she immediately starts chowing down, but she starts to realize that somethings up when she notices Barbossa isn't eating anything. Barbossa on the other hand, can't taste anything so the closest he can come to enjoying his precious apples is by watching someone else eat them, which is why he keeps offering food to her with a weird expression/tone of voice.

It's not that weird JG. I mean, I really like peanut butter and jam sndwiches. If I couldn't taste them for ten years, I'd have a go at quite a few of them once I could taste again. Apples are just his favourite food that he has been unable to enjoy for ten years. -Captain JD Sparrow

cuz he is obsesst with apples. pretty stupid obsession, if u ask me. i mean i love onions, but im not goin around like he is aktin all obsesst --jesusfreek2 00:10, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

A lot of people are wondering why Elizabeth would think the apple is poisoned and not the wine. As for the 'Snow White apple superstition'..where do you think THAT came from? It's very possible that there had been ideas of poisoned apples before the fairytale was written, and thus a reason why Elizabeth would believe the apple was poisoned. Another theory could be because it would be very normal for Barbossa to offer Elizabeth wine, a drink, because she had been eating ferociously and he may have thought she was thirsty. If you were stuffing your face and someone offered you a glass of water (or wine) you wouldn't think much of it. But as for an apple, it is kind of random. Elizabeth may have just thought it odd that Barbossa would all of a sudden offer her a green apple. --your_my_love_08

Monkey Island Refrences

Was it just me, or was the part where Jack used a coffin for a make-shift boat(at the start of the film) a refrence to the game Monkey Island 2? Given, the Monkey Island series has admittedly drawn influence from the PotC Disneyland ride...I don't know if there's a boat-coffin in said ride, but if there isn't, could this be a shout-out to the Monkey Island series?--BrotherEstapol 12:45, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Without a citation to a comment by the filmmakers acknowledging the reference, it can't be in the article per WP:NOR. -- MisterHand 13:10, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

If you read the information on each particular character you will find that there is suggested to be similarties between PotC and Monkey Island games.--JG ROX 05:33, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Why not apples?? Maybe he likes apples! And she asks if the apple is poisoned because it is only at that point that it clicks he is being nice to her for no apparent reason. So she thinks there is something dodgy about that but it just happens to be at the time she is offered the apple

Quotes

The quotes section has been moved to the more appopriate venue, wikiquote. You can continue to expand and edit it there: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pirates_of_the_Caribbean:_Dead_Man%27s_Chest -- MisterHand 17:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Music Box

Does anyone know what the tune of Davy Jones's music box is called? Or if it was just a made up tune for the film? --Obsessed 00:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

It explains it a little bit in the Davy Jones' Music Box article but i think it was just made up for the film. --JG ROX 02:33, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

the real truth about who likes who.

--68.74.165.189 02:27, 12 July 2006 (UTC)Ä ok, I might go on a little bit so bear with me. Will obviosly is madly in love with elizabeth in the 1st movie. And he is in the 2nd one too.elizabeth is also in love to will in the 1st movie as well. and she is in love with him in the 2nd one too. but jack sparrow is in love with elizabeth so in the 2nd one he tries to use his charming fashion to try to get elizabeth to love him. But elizabeth loves will and nothings going to stop that. and will loves elizabeth so nothing is going to stop that. The only reason why elizabeth kissed jack is because she had to get him handcuffed so he could get his dept repayed. elizabeth did not mean for will to see her kissing Jack. so will was hurt and thought she betrayed him. but she realy didn't. So all will needs to learn is that elizabeth didn't betray him. and that's the REAL TRUTH. - 68.74.165.189 02:27, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the first bit: Will loves Elizabeth. I agree with the second bit: Elizabeth loves Will. BUT...

1. What makes you so sure that Elizabeth won't betray Will for Jack?
2. What makes you so sure Elizabeth only kissed Jack to hancuff him?
3. What makes you so sure that you're one hudered percent correct with all of what you've said?

I'm sorry but i think it looks like all of that was assumed, i think you underestimate the many ways people can love eachother in, i think you underestimate the effect of Jack's charm on Elizabeth and i think you underestimate just how far some people will go to prove that whatever they are really feeling isn't found out by others, eg: Elizabeth might have handcuffed Jack to the Black pearl to attempt to prove to herself that she loved Will more than she loved Jack. But the compass does point to your 'true desire' and if it was pointing to Jack (as we assume it was) Elizabeth could love him.--JG ROX 02:48, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah, see I believe that Jack doesn't really love Elizabeth. I think he's just being his usual womanizing, seductive self. I think Elizabeth only felt a, well, drawing to Jack because, let's face it, Jack's the master of seduction. There were probably many others before Elizabeth. And as Jack said, "...my first and only love is the sea." --Obsessed 05:30, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok i'm fine with POV (point of view) but just to correct you, unless you think you know better, Jack is NO WAY the master of seduction. --JG ROX 05:39, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I believe I know better, but who's to say, eh? --Obsessed 00:17, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Then why did the compass keep pointing to jack when elizabeth used it? isn't it supposed to show whatever you wanted most in the world?--Anisha93 EDIT: i've just realised you've already mentioned that. but ill keep what i just said for emphasis. 17:32, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Davy Jones' Voice

When i first heard Davy Jones' voice it sounded really high pitched, i thought that maybe that was just in comparison to someones voice that you'd heard before that was really low but as Dead man's Chest continued i had to hold back laughted whenever Davy Jones spoke, his voice was one that you'd imagine for a goldfish or something.--JG ROX 02:52, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Influences section moved due to original research

The Influences section contains no citations and appears to be original research, so I've moved it here until full citations are provided.

The removed section is found below. -- MisterHand 13:15, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Influences

The film's plot is loosely based on that of the ancient Greek myth The Odyssey, attributed to Homer. Consider:

• Jack Sparrow, the protagonist and wandering sea captain, analogous to Odysseus.
• The cannibals of the island, who have trapped and intend to eat Jack and his crew, as the Cyclops Polyphemus.
• Davy Jones as an analogue of Poseidon, Lord of the Ocean, whose wrath for Jack Sparrow/ Odysseus drives the plot.
• Tia Dalma as an analogue of Calypso, a witch isolated in her island home and former lover of Jack Sparrow/ Odysseus. This is also a probable reason for the working title of Pirates of the Carribean 3 being "Calypso's Fury".
• Will Turner as the travelling young adventurer, attempting to save his father, as Telemachus did.
• Many of Jack Sparrow's crew are taken by the Kraken, just as Odysseus' are by Scylla. Just as Odysseus didn't warn his crew of the sea monster threat, neither did Jack.

The movie also shows other influences:

• Will Turner's game of dice with Davy Jones is similar to the famous game of chess with Death in The Seventh Seal.

Similarity to Koschei

I just added a section to the article noting the similarity between Davy Jone's heart in the chest and Koschei the Immortal from the famous Russian folk tale. His soul is hidden separate from his body inside a needle, which is in an egg, which is in a duck, which is in a hare, which is in an iron chest, which is buried under a green oak tree, which is on the island of Buyan, in the ocean.

I think necessary body parts being separated from the body isn't anwhere near a new thing. The evil guy is always missing his hand or eye or brain or heart or soul (infact, lots of people in movies seem to be missing their brains). In Harry Potter there are horcruxes (pieces of Voldemort's soul) and that's just lately. --JG ROX 05:46, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

While this is interesting, unfortunately it is also original research, and as such I've removed it from the article. -- MisterHand 13:17, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

The Lockets

Didnt Davy Jones and Tia Dalme have the same lockets because the movie seems to imply something like Tia is connected to Davy Jones in some way like she is the one he loved or related and the third movies had a draft name of Calypsos Furry well Calypso might be his love or Tia might be or be related to Calypso and i think Jones heart is going to be more then then norrington and them bargained for and i think maybe what happened to davy jones will happen to Will like in star wars when grievouse was what anakin would turn in to or vice versa and tia dalma new far to much about davy jones and death. please post on my user talk[2]

i cant remember where, but i have read that the locket of Davy Jones and Tia Dalma are similar, (girl/boy) if not the same... (Cablebfg 20:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC)) I saw the movie the monday after it came out and my neice said the locket looked like it had a mermaid on it

The lockets are the same, it says on the 'locket' article. the locket's have a face on them, i have a pic and its not exactly a mermaid. its hard to explain it all because disney hasn't released the information yet. Tia Dalma and Davy Jones are thought to be connected in some way (Davy loved Tia?) and finally Tia Dalma might be Calypso nobody's sure. --JG ROX 05:27, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

can you put up a link to the picture--Goren of the stone 20:05, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

No sorry, i would but i can't find a good picture on the net and my picture was in a book--JG ROX

Quickest to $200 Million

I was watching Entertainment Tonight the other day (not the most reliable, I know), but they stated that this movie has been the quickest to reach $200 million. (And I didn't mistake 200 for 100) Anyone know if there is any truth to this? Jondy 02:42, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

It was indeed the fastest to reach $200 million, as shown here, and it will likely be the quickest to $300 million as well, since it's already already made $266 in just 11 days (Star Wars III currently holds the record, having made $300 million in 17 days). That site, Box Office Mojo, is a good place to go to to check on the box office status of movies both new and old. --From Andoria with Love 09:33, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

It appears the box office section needs to be updated once again, and I don't want to do it since I'm not the best with html and such, but it has reached $300 million in 16 days and apparently it's number 64 on the highest grossing movies list with over $445 million. Jondy 18:55, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Barbossa's back?

I thoght that Barbossa died in the first movie. Can anyone explain this for me?

Wikipedia is not a forum. Find a forum. Minglex 21:38, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

There wasn't time to address it in Dead Man's Chest, but presumably this will be answered in the third movie. -- MisterHand 21:44, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Not only is he not dead, but not cursed (we see him eating the apple). The most likely explanation I can see right now is that Tia Dalma found him and was able to magically heal him. That would explain why he's there in the first place, but why she even did it for him I don't know.

• this is just a theory but i think barbossa was spat out of hell again, sounds dodgy but makes sense. yes, it should explain it in the next movie--JG ROX 11:10, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Jack's motives

I know he explained it in the movie, but what, exactly, did Capt. Jack Sparrow wish to do with Davy Jones' heart? I mean, why was he so insistent on preventing Will Turner from killing the heart and Jones? I know he wanted to get rid of his debt with Jones, but wouldn't destroying the heart do that? I'm definitely missing something here... --From Andoria with Love 09:40, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Check on the how to use jone's heart article, it's discussed there in detail and will probably answer your question--JG ROX 11:13, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Um... I'm not sure what article you're talking about. I did check out the article on Davy Jones, and that did clarify why Jack wanted the heart – as leverage to exchange the heart for Jack's soul. But, that still leaves the question – why not let Will destroy the heart, since that would release all the souls from their debts? --From Andoria with Love 13:21, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, nevermind! I see you were referring to an earlier discussion on this talk page. Thanks!!! :)--From Andoria with Love 13:23, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

If he let Will stab the heart then the Kraken would keep chasing him because theres no one to tell it to stop Shadoom1 06:55, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

References to the First Film

There used to be a whole lot more of them, and all were noteworthy to some degree. Why was this section shortened? ViceroyInterus 16:34, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Revealed

i bought a book on potc and potc 2 and guess what it had a picture of tias locket but not jones but the lockets seem to have a crab and a face on them and the chest with davy jones heart the place where you put the key in looked like a crab and heart and a it labled what the things where in the jars at tias hut and one thing was siren hair possibly relating to calypso and it had a picture of the kraken--Goren of the stone 02:41, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

did the book just happen to be the visual guide, if it is i have it too, it answers a lot of questions and explains heaps. im not meaning to advertise but if you are a huge potc fan like me it is a must have!--JG ROX 11:20, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

yep 17.99 at walmart and the krakken looks weird also it gives away to much almost but it helps understand the concept of the second movie and on the potc 2 page it doesnt say why jack ows the debt to jones it said jack raised the black pearl when realy jack made a deal to serve jones an eternity if he raised him a ship and he raised the black pearl and the book says the black pearl is more than just the fastest ship--71.226.167.89 21:38, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

yeah..... basically highly recomended for people who are huge fans or obsessed with potc-JG ROX

your telling me --Goren of the stone 18:56, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Budget

There is a bit of disput about this budget. We have the-numbers.com listing it as 150 million, and BOM.com listing it as 225 million. There are several other sites listing it as 225 million, but many list their source as BOM.com. Some have said "the studios finally admitted" but they don't cite an interview or actually name names. It is my proposal that we remove the budget until we can verify what number is correct. I have already sent in an email to the-numbers.com requesting their source, and they are fairly quick with responses (I sent an email yesturday evening providing an interview with Singer for the Superman budget, because their's was off by about 5 million...which they responded this morning and posted the change which I was told would be updated within 24 hours). BOM.com needs to be contacted, I have already asked User:Crumbsucker to request the information, but if he can't someone else may need to. If there are other movie statistic websites that are broadcasting those numbers or any other numbers, if someone would send them an email requesting their sources it would be great. I think statistical data like that should be validated by actual interviews and not hearsay evidence, also the most recent interviews would be best. Interviews while still filming might not be as accurate because you can go over budget (as Superman did). Bignole 15:06, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, with the two numbers disputed I put up Empire's $200 million source. According to them both sequels cost $400 million, so I'm trusting this middle ground. Wiki-newbie 17:30, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

No one has validated any of that. That's the problem. People are running with whatever number is suggested by some other source, which heard from some other source. Like I said, when it comes to data like that we should wait for an actual interview with a rep that is sound (i.e. someone that worked on the picture). Bignole 17:35, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

• List the differnet numbers and provide the links. 74.137.230.39 01:50, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Pirates of the Caribbean Franchise proposal

I was wondering whether of not an article on the film series/theme ride would be in order? --SGCommand (talk • contribs) 18:29, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't believe so, but this is something that should be revisted as more and more is done with the franchise. At some point, an article may be in order. EVula 21:16, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

The top IMDB 1000 Voter votes the movie 6.9, I mean who care how they think?!?!?!??!?!?!

The top IMDB 1000 Voter votes the movie 6.9, I mean who care how they think?!?!?!??!?!?! I say if most people like 40% of the voter says it's a 10, then it's more like a 10, f***ing damn it. I want someone to start a petition on IMDB

More original research: Treasure Island

The following section has been moved to the talk page because it is unreferenced original research: -- MisterHand 15:11, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

• I really don't see the "origional" part of it. Anyone who's read Treasure Island knows that these things are in it. While this isn't backed up by an outside source, it's so obvious that it can't be ignored. --YankeeDoodle14 04:16, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
  • That's not how Wikipedia works. Please read WP:NOR. -- MisterHand 17:54, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
    • I have read that, however sometimes things are just so obvious. In the black spot page, Stevenson is credited with completely inventing the black spot. It also says that it was not used in any other source before Tresure Island. In DMC the black spot is used. I realize that origional research is banned, however the rules should not be enforced to the point where it's just rediculous. --YankeeDoodle14 04:44, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

References to Treasure Island

There are several references to Robert Louis Stevenson's Treasure Island in the movie. Among them are:

• Gibbs's singing of Dead Man's Chest.
  • The Movie's title may be based on a line from that song.
• The black spot, a very important feature in Stevenson's book, also plays a role in the movie.
• At the end of the film, where Pintel is mourning the loss of Jack, he refers to him as a "gentleman of fortune". This title was used to refer to the pirates in Treasure Island; although it was mostly the pirates themselves that used this title.

The bloody info box

I love all the new POTC articles that are around, but the info box seems unweildy. Is their any way we can scale it back, at link to the lesser atricles by a category? I mean, isn't that what a category is for? So do we really need a half foot long infobox? Just seems too big, and if we don't get it first, some deletionist will take it into his/her head to delet all the litle articles. Jack Sparra 20:34, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Part of the problem was that it was formatted horribly. I took care of that yesterday, which makes it much nicer to look at (not to mention smaller overall). Further discussion should be taken to Template talk:Piratescaribbean, not here. EVula 14:40, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Plot cleanup

The plot should be cleaned up. With this much information about the movie, we shouldn't be detailing the plot scene by scene. It needs to be shortened. Bignole 18:15, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Why is the plot becoming steadily detailed, when it needs to be shortened? Bignole 13:15, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Problem is, it's hard to clean up such a good plot description for a very complex film. Just put an embargo on it. Wiki-newbie 13:20, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

It's not that hard. Donnie Darko is way more complex than Pirates, and it's plot is much shorter. Revenge of the Sith is a featured article, and it's synopsis is half of this page. Bignole 13:29, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

What does Guybrush Threepwood have anything to do with this?

He's in the "See Also" section. WTF? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.63.90.215 (talk • contribs)

Nothing, as far as I can tell. I removed it and the Monkey Island note, as I found nothing explicitly tying the two articles to this one. EVula 14:36, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Turkish Cypriot dialect vs Greek Cypriot dialect

–As a Turkish Cypriot, I haven't seen the movie yet, but all of the newspapers in Turkey claim that the pirates were actually speaking Turkish with Blacksea accent (Blacksea is a region in the northern part of Turkey). Do you guys have any references for the pirates speaking in Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot dialects? Oh one more thing, Turkish Cypriots speak Turkish and Greek Cypriots Greek.--Wikiturk 12:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

• Do you mean the two pirates playing around with Jack's hat and end up killed by the Karken? 218.102.30.121 06:26, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

• • Ah yes. I've seen the movie and I can assure you that one of them was speaking Turkish in Turkish Cypriot accent, but it sounded a bit funny. It may be because of the actor not being a native speaker of Turkish. Wikiturk 18:17, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Job:3:8

When Davy Jones releases the Kraken for the first time, he utters something that appears to be a biblical verse. I don't exactly remember it, but I remember that the Hebrew subtitles really reminded me of Job:3:8[3]:

"Let them curse it that curse the day, who are ready to rouse up leviathan."

Is it actually based on the verse, or is it just a little easter egg from the people behind the subtitles? --Ramsobol 17:29, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Impressions from filming Dead Man's Chest

I have been on the island Dominica during filming and wrote stories about my impressions: http://www.veselo.info/english/travel/infinite-journey/caribbean/dominica/pirates-caribbean/index.html - stories with photos of sceneries. Plese, tell me why it's not on topic of "Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest"? May by is it not good English? So here just photos of sceneries: http://www.veselo.info/english/photo/2005/pirates-of-caribbean/index.html

Please, I would like to here your opinion about my personal site, which is not commercial.

Character Articles

Why do each of the characters have articles on Wikipedia? They're good movies, don't get me wrong, I don't see the point.

Almost every other fictional character has their own articles. Can't be stuffing everyone's bio in here, now can we? Obsessed 16:57, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Just about every major book, movie, televisioni, comic or other form of entertainment series has articles about the main characters. Harry Potter, Spiderman, etc. If you included each bio as part of the main article it'd be gigantic. Chad Hennings 10:19, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Linking to the script in "External Links"

The website IMDSB has scripts for most major movies, including [one for Dead Man's Chest|http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Pirates-of-the-Caribbean-Dead-Man's-Chest.html] is it violating any rules to put this in external links section? Chad Hennings 10:19, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Tripoli

In Tortuga, Norrington says, "I nearly had you all, off Tripoli. I would have, if not for the... hurricane". Which Tripoli is this? Tripoli links to a Libyan city, though the disambig page mentions the Turkish town Tirebolu was once known by that name. Considering we have a Turkish prison and Turkish dialects in this movie, is it likely that this is the Tripoli Norrington is talking about? - 213.120.158.227 17:25, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Time Period of PotC

This passage:

In the first two movies, references were made to Singapore. Modern Singapore was founded in 1819 by Sir Thomas Stamford Raffles as a trading post for the British East India Company. Though an official date for the setting is not given, the movie is most likely set in the 1680s, towards the end of Port Royal's power. However, the island had been already known as Singapura in Malay since the 15th century. (The ancient name was Temasek ("Sea Town" in Javanese), which was later changed to Singapura ("Lion City" in Malay) around the 15th century.) Also, the large world map in the governor's office shows Australia, the existence of which was not confirmed until Captain James Cook's voyage in 1770.

seems to contain a bit of speculation. Given that Port Royal was a naval base long after 1680 it seems to me more likely that the movies take place sometime around the late 1700's given the technology of the time and the types of weapons being used. Aadditional evidence giving credence to that is the King's signature on the letters of marque. It is "George R." meaning George Rex or King George. This is either King George II or George III which puts the movie well into the 18th century.—BassBone (my talk · my contributions) 01:10, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Tagline

The first movie had a tag line listed in its article, does this one have a tag line? 64.89.254.158 20:19, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

plot hint

not a member, but i noticed that Davy Jones and the African woman that Sparrow meets each have a locket thingy with the same design. I saw the woman's when Jack steals it from her, and Davy Jones' when the chest's key is being stolen. This must mean something big.

Plot Cleanup Tag Removed

I took the Clean-up tag off the Plot section, mainly because I edited that plot description awhile ago. I think it's been shortened even more since I last changed it, and it's no longer the seventeen-paragraph listing it was before. It's been cleaned-up. Nqnpipnr 16:27, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Black Spawn

Can anyone confirm or deny that it's said as black spawn over block spot? Just asking.

Vmk?

I've seen a long time ago when it came out a picture of the poster went out to VMK.But it was the POTC1 with dead mans chest written on it.Now my theory, is that either A.Photoshopping or B.They knew and reworked it so it would show barbossa.-Kingdomheartsora

Trivia section

I've trimmed the trivia section of fanish notes, there really isn't a lot of encyclopedic content in it. What is left would far better serve a "Production" or "Development" section, as "trivia" sections are generally discouraged. Bignole 15:48, 7 December 2006 (UTC)