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Bash at the Beach 2020

All Elite Wrestling has confirmed that they will be a hosting a special event under the Bash at the Beach name in January 2020, so I'm guessing it won't be grouped with the past Bash events due to it not being a WCW/WWE owned property? Speedy Question Mark (talk) 17:20, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That kind of depends a bit. Is that not a trademarked name? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:31, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
WWE clearly didn't reapply for the trademarks and AEW has seemed to snatch them up. Speedy Question Mark (talk) 17:33, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, I don't really see how it's any different from the ones that the WWE ran, which are in the same chronology -something like how we handle Starrcade Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:35, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
WWE let a ton of WCW trademarks expire many years ago. In this instance they all expired in 2004/2005 time frame [1] [2] [3] [4]. In March 2019 Cody Runnels applied for and was granted the trademark [5]. In my opinion AEW Bash at the Beach would not be part of the WCW/WWE chronology like Starrcade or The Great American Bash. Chronology by its nature must logically flow from one to the other. When WWE bought WCW, the chronology continues. There have been 5 different American Football Leagues in the US, and just because they share a name, it doesnt mean they share a history. To me an unrelated promotion causes and unrelated history and therefore has an unrelated page. - Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 17:46, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be amazed if we didn't at least mention it at Bash at the Beach... Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:54, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Mentioned vs including at are very different. - Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 18:07, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There will probably be a reference to it in the article itself or just a redirect to the correct article at the top. Speedy Question Mark (talk) 18:09, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I would say to move the WCW to WCW Bash at the Beach and have Bash at the Beach be a disambig page. But thats a separate discussion - Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 18:14, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
what about war games? mlw used the concept, maybe its a similar scenario.--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 19:24, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That is done similar to what I mentioned above. WarGames match lists WCW and NXT events together, MLW is lumped into the "spin-off" section at the bottom. - Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 19:27, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not same series. Can't be the same cause they weren't the same company.WillC 00:22, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Starrcade and The Great American Bash were events with the same name used by multiple companies and are grouped together. It's only one special episode of Dynamite titled Bash at the Beach, not sure it warrants one separate article when it can be put together in a specified section with the current article. Originalchampion (talk) 02:00, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Originalchampion: but in those examples one company acquired the other. Starrcade also went from JCP to WCW for the same reason. This is more like saying the Rena Mero article needs to be combined with the car company since they both share the name Sable. - Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 11:59, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. StarrCade and GAB have a chronological order, since promotions buyed the names and concepts. A spin off section it's fine by me. Like War Games, MLW had his version but isn't related with the "official" WCW/WWE chronology. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 12:01, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WWE's recycling of the GAB and Starrcade names does not really place their events into a chronology with the JCP/WCW versions because they weren't in continuous use. It was 17 years before they reused the Starrcade name for a glorified house show. Yeah, WWE owns the tape library containing the old events, but they are not really the same entity. oknazevad (talk) 16:05, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We must remember that Bash at the Beach and The Great American Bash/The Bash are two separate events/chronologies. That being said, while WWE used The Great American Bash/The Bash name and still owns it, they never acted upon the Bash at the Beach trademark and let it expire, and AEW is picking it up. It was Dusty Rhodes who came up with the name and gave permission to WCW to trademark the name, and now that it has expired, Cody Rhodes/AEW, by virtue of Cody being Dusty, the name's creator's son, has a legitimate claim for that trademark. Therefore, by the Runnels family creation and maintaining of the Bash at the Beach trademark, AEW is continuing the chronology of Bash at the Beach, and so they are in the same chronology as WCW's Bash at the Beach. That's my opinion. DrewieStewie (talk) 07:27, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@DrewieStewie: you're really reaching there because that is a stretch to say it's a continuation just because of the family connection. --JDC808 ♫ 07:33, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just make a new page. Call it AEW Bash at the Beach. Mention the history with WCW and WWE. Mention the Rhodes family stuff. Done. Can't be the same chronology.WillC 18:20, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think the same. New article, AEW Bash on the Beach and a note in the WCW article. AEW doesn't own the right for previous events, unlike WWE --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:55, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

NXT World championship

Today, I readed the NXT Title article. Here, I see how it's considered a World title like the Universal and WWE Titles. However, I think, one year ago, we discussed and decided it's not a world championship due to lack of sources. [6] [7] The only source is when McIntyre won the title and was mentioned as a world title, but since then, WWE never called a world title or their champion, world champions and isn't supported by third-party sources. I know that NXT is the third main brand, but it can be a main brand and the main title, a no-world title (like ECW). I think one source isn't enough for such claim. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 11:33, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

At the same time though, it was WWE who claimed it was a world title in that Mcintyre source. Unless they say otherwise, its still considered a world title, as no sources since then have discounted that status. (ECW Championship is considered a world title too). DrewieStewie (talk) 17:29, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a source by WWE calling it a "World championship"? Have WWE called it a "World championship" on air? If no to either, then it isn't a world title. It has always been this simple.WillC 18:18, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It was called just once, when Drew McIntyre won the title. "Fulfilling a prophecy first laid out by WWE Chairman Mr. McMahon years earlier, Drew McIntyre captured a world championship in a WWE ring when he defeated Bobby Roode to claim the NXT Title at TakeOver: Brooklyn III." I think the first discussion ended as NXT no-world title since is just one source and it was never mentioned again. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:52, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think I supported calling it a world title when this source came out but that was two years ago. The fact that further sources didn't start calling it a world title after this is alarming and if this is still the only source we can use to cite this then we should not be labeling it a world title.LM2000 (talk) 21:46, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The Drew article was for WWE to save face after failing with him years ago and to try to make him mean more. It was a one off. Though I wouldn't be surprised with recent events if they don't start calling it a world title soon.WillC 21:51, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That first linked discussion, which I started and occurred after the one you have linked second, was more in favor of the recognition. And the ECW Championship is/was a world title even when it was on the ECW brand. This is really just gonna repeat the same things that were said then. --JDC808 ♫ 03:58, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In my opinion, its the other way around, because of that one source from WWE, it is only not a world title if they say it isnt. It is until they say otherwise. Not it isn't until they say it again. DrewieStewie (talk) 06:06, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It was said one time in the 7 year history of the title and it was two years ago - signs point to WWE not considering it a world title, probably never did intentionally made that comment but that's a guess. What we do know is that it's not been even alluded to in two years. MPJ-DK (talk) 06:10, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Though Tommasa Ciampa several times said he was the NXT world champion all over his social medias, yet WWE never stopped him. There's even a WWE.com interview with him where "NXT World Champion" is quoted. --JDC808 ♫ 07:08, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That is like saying because Paul Heyman called Brock the "Universal Heavyweight Champion" that we need to change everything to call it that because WWE didnt stop Heyman from calling it that. - Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 14:47, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Galatz: What you just said actually supports my argument because the Universal Championship is a world heavyweight championship, which is acknowledged in its article. And like what DrewieStewie said, this isn't about the name, its about its status. --JDC808 ♫ 21:05, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Galatz, that is not an accurate statement because NXT's world title claim is more bold and difference making than the name of a title. Were judging a world title claim, not a championship's name. DrewieStewie (talk) 18:15, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
A wrestler is going to talk a big game about their championship, so I'm not impressed with this line of argument. Taz introduced the ECW FTW Heavyweight Championship and put it over a real world title, more important than the ECW World Heavyweight Championship. It was even defended in its place at some shows. But we don't even recognize it as a sanctioned ECW championship, let alone a world title.LM2000 (talk) 18:27, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Same for the Evolve title. McIntyre called Evolve World title, but the promotion didn't change the name. Also, TNA Global Title is not a World Title even with the word Global. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:29, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Difference here though is that WWE themselves have stated that it's a world title. ECW nor Evolve did that with those titles. Just for another to throw in there: Adam Cole: "NXT Champion of the world". --JDC808 ♫ 21:05, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well yeah, he is the NXT Champion OF THE WORLD. But what else should he be the Champion of? Lio Rush is also the Cruiserweight Champion OF THE WORLD. Every title that is not just about a specific region is a title OF THE WORLD, just not automatically what we refer to as a world title.WrestlingLegendAS (talk) 19:30, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That's false. The United States Championship is not the United States Championship of the world. Nor is the Intercontinental Championship, etc. Edit: Overlooked about the regional bit you mentioned, but still false. --JDC808 ♫ 22:22, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'd recommend starting an RfC if consensus is not gained. It doesn't look like we'll find unanimous agreement here.LM2000 (talk) 06:46, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This really should be a no-brainer. The company has in fact called it a world championship. Regardless of how long it's been since that one source, the fact of the matter is it's been called a world championship by the company who owns the title. It is not for us to decide if we think it should be categorized as one if the company has called it as such. Also, straight from the WWE Shop: Customize your NXT World Heavyweight Championship Replica Title Belt with these Official WWE Side Plates! Those are for Tommaso Ciampa, but it also says that for Johnny Gargano's, The Undisputed Era's, and Velveteen Dream's. And in the media call for WarGames - Fightful: "I'm curious was there ever a conversation to have Adam Cole involved in a triple threat [at Survivor Series] with Raw and SmackDown's world champions Brock and Bray?" Triple H: "Yeah you know those conversations early in the process took place" (quoted from 28:16). --JDC808 ♫ 11:23, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It appears that more and more primary WWE sources and examples have been coming to light to prove that it is indeed a world championship. Looks like there is more and more evidence to prove it and little to disprove it. In my eyes, case closed. DrewieStewie (talk) 10:36, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't believe it's a case-closed scenario. The only time we've seen the NXT Title referred to as a "world" title was written in a WWE.com article for McIntyre over 2 years ago and on WWEShop.com. It's well known that the people who write the articles for WWE.com are very bad with continuity. A lot of times the left hand has no idea what the right hand is doing. Not once on television, where it matters the most, has the NXT Title ever been referred to as a world championship. However, with that said, now that NXT was a part of Survivor Series, I say we wait until the build for the Royal Rumble begins next month and let's see if NXT guys and girls will be part of the 30 man/woman Rumble matches. If they are, and if the NXT Title and the NXT Women's Title are eligible to be chosen by the Rumble winners for a WrestleMania match, then that to me ends this conversation. If the NXT Title is truly on the same level playing field as the WWE Title and the Universal Title, then the Royal Rumble will let us know. If the NXT Title will be an option for the winner, then it's a world title. If it's not, then that also ends this conversation. OldSkool01 (talk) 12:27, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Final match = Main event?

Is there actually a written policy anywhere on Wikipedia that states that the final match of a show is the main event? Personally I think it's ridiculous and insulting to suggest that, just because it went on last, the comedy bout between Paul E. Dangerously and Arn Anderson vs Missy Hyatt & Rick Steiner was the main event of the 1991 Great American Bash rather than the Luger/Windham world title match. 165.225.81.100 (talk) 08:59, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thats always been the consensus that the main event match is the final match. What you are saying is that based on your own WP:POV something else should be. - Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 18:31, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Can you point to where this consensus was agreed? 2.28.124.12 (talk) 03:30, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
On WP:PW/PPVG it says "The main event is the final match, but sometimes can include more than one match if other bouts were heavily advertised. " 165.225.81.100 (talk) 18:02, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The one instance I can definitively agree on the final match not being the main event was No Mercy (2016) when the day of, WWE decided to have the scheduled main event open the show due to the presidential debate that same night. Randy Orton vs. Bray Wyatt was the final match, but it was not the main event nor was ever promoted as such. So, in the vast majority of cases, the final match is the main event, but there are some rare exceptions (just like there can be exceptions to Wikipedia guidelines/policies). --JDC808 ♫ 22:41, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
JDC808 - what would your opinion be on Missy & Rick Steiner vs Arn & Paul E at GAB '91 as another example of such a rare exception?
I can see no evidence other than its final match status that it was ever a higher attraction than the match for the vacant WCW title. 2.28.124.12 (talk) 03:30, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) I can't really say much without knowing anything about that event or those matches. Just going by your description in your original post, I'd possibly agree, but I'd need to know more about the build up and advertising for the event/matches. 86.128.7.144 (talk) 16:00, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
AWA and WCCW shows often did not feature the most promoted match of the night as the last match. Btw. going by that rule the "Main event" of a lot of shows is the dark match. MPJ-DK (talk) 05:01, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It seems to be a common trick used by bookers when structuring a card - if there's a piece of really bad news for the fans such as a heel world title win (in the case of GAB '91 a babyface going heel in his moment of first world title win glory), put the headline match midway through the show and end on something lightweight and inconsequential but with a definite babyface-friendly ending like slimy announcer Paul E getting beaten up and having his phone placed on his prone beaten body. Survivor Series '91 would be another good example - Undertaker's win over Hogan was put on third of five with the night ending in a victory for the Legion of Doom where they got to beat up Irwin R Schyster.2.28.124.12 (talk) 11:01, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I feel the same. It's strange that one source says X match is the main event but Wikipedia says something different. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 17:54, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. The listing of Missy & Rick Steiner vs Arn & Paul E as the main event of GAB '91 is an extreme example of where the policy falls down. There are other less outrageous examples that I've come across on Wikipedia. (Dusty vs Tully as main event of GAB '85, Bret vs Davey as main event of SS '92). Hopefully there will be more people and enough momentum for a rethink of this policy. 165.225.81.100 (talk) 17:59, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In case you want to read The main event is the primary match that a show is built and primarily promoted around. Usually, that match does appear last on the card, but not always. Somewhere along the line, some wrestling fans (and even wrestlers) have gotten very confused and decided that the word “main” means “last,” when in reality the word “main” means and has always meant “primary in size or importance,” as stated in the Oxford English Dictionary. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 16:49, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well exactly. There are some frankly crazy nominations for main event on the table on the Saturday Night's Main Event page table such as Beefcake & Valentine over jobbers Poffo & Garea on SNME2 (over a Hogan/Volkoff flag match and Studd & Bunday vs Andre & Atlas) the Steamboat/Fuji "kung fu challenge" on SNME3 (over Hogan & Andre vs Studd & Bundy and an IC title match) and in the case on SNME5 probably the least important match on the show, JYD vs Adonis (below the Hogan/Muraco match that set up WM2, the T/Orton boxing match that set up Piper/T and a tag title match. Even Bundy's squash of Steve Gatorwold was of more importance than JYD/Adonis as it hyped up Bundy for WM2 and was his reason for being around to interfere in Hogan/Muraco.) And don't even get me started on Kamala squashing Poffo in 1:44 being top of the bill at SNME7
But anyway, where do we go if we want to more formally challenge this "consensus" about last match = main event? 2.26.165.105 (talk) 09:44, 20 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Fine by me. If one source says X match is the Main event, we can't say Y match is the main event just because its the last match.--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 12:14, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well that's very fine of you, but what to do about someone like Galatz if we want to challenge kneejerk-reverting of any suggestion of any match other than the final match as the main event?

Update to Tessa Blanchard?

I was viewing the article recently and didn’t see anything about her current angle that has her up for a world title shot. Not sure your standards so I didn’t want to edit it myself. 2600:387:9:9:0:0:0:16 (talk) 14:23, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just edit. If there are any issues in what you added, it'll be fixed or removed. --JDC808 ♫ 22:42, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

OVW Television Championship

The OVW Television Championship has been deactivated thus I have updated the article as such. In its place is the RUSH Championship. It is akin to the X Division Championship. November 19, 2019 was the air date of OVW TV #1058. I can't find the exact date episode was taped. But looking at the the last title change, it is listed by air date. Is that standard for tapings? Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 02:53, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

https://ovwmania.blogspot.com/2019/11/ovw-tv-1058-rush-to-christmas-chaos.html This is the results for episode 1058 and all title changes are done by the date the event took place on not by air date as is standard across all title pages. Browndog91 (talk) 11:19, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Browndog91: That is a blog and you failed to prove how it is reliable. Plus blogs are not to be used as a source. I was not asking for results as you can clearly see. But let's ignore that. You failed to bring forth the date episode #1058 was taped. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 06:39, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It says November 19th was the date it was taped it aired a few days later.Browndog91 (talk) 06:52, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Browndog91: So they air on Saturdays? Episode #1058 was uploaded to YouTube on November 23rd. Is that the correct air date? Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 18:30, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Trying to find air date apparently it airs Tuesday 8pm and then again on Saturday https://www.titantvguide.com/?siteid=50705 this is the tv guide for the channel it is on.Browndog91 (talk) 22:54, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sports reviewing ideas

I've floated some ideas in the hope of increasing participation for FAC reviews of sports related articles at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports#FAC reviewing of sports articles if anyone is interested in the idea or has a better one. Kosack (talk) 09:20, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

PPV taglines and when it is valid to put them

I ran into a small dispute (which had begun before I got involved) at the WWE Stomping Grounds article. User @Galatz: is deleting the tagline "Time to kick ass and take names", which can be seen on the poster. The aforementioned user removed it initially because it doesn't state that it is the tagline, and that there may be multiple posters with different or no taglines uploaded here. Then, I put the tagline again, as it can be read at the WWE.com article about the PPV, and also heard emphatically in this promotional video for the event. He removed it again, now his reason being that they are still not specifying that THAT is the tagline.

So, before having this disagreement grow and become an edit war, I want to reach a consensus with the community. Do the people at WWE (and other companies) need to be so specific with us to the point of having to tell us that the phrase they are using emphatically for this PPV is, indeed, the tagline for such event? If that's the case, I still found articles by WhatCulture ([8]) and Black Squirrel Radio ([9]) that do specify it, but I prefer to await confirmation from the community to put them as valid references, given that they are not official WWE websites, so they won't be removed as well.

-AndSalx95 (talk) 03:06, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If it's on the poster and they advertise that tagline, then it's a tagline. Doesn't necessarily mean it's the only tagline, but it is at least a tagline for the event. Simple as that. Galatz gets way too picky on these things to the point of ridiculousness if it's not specific enough for him. --JDC808 ♫ 03:21, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, definitely a tagline to me. DrewieStewie (talk) 04:25, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely to you based on what? Sounds to me like you are drawing a conclusion that if its on the poster its the tagline, and thats WP:OR. - Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 14:05, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it's a tagline. It's also exceedingly trivial. Do we really need to put a tag line entry in the infobox? I don't think so. They are so rarely notable that they should just be omitted. If on the rare occasion that they are notable, which would require discussion (not just passing mention) in third party sources, then we can include them in the article body. But they're really to trivial to include by default in the infobox. oknazevad (talk) 07:25, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I proposed removing them completely a few months ago but we didn't gain a consensus. The tagline is so meaningless I don't see why it is in the infobox the begin with. - Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 14:05, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like that you're trying to come at this from another angle then, if the parameter cannot be removed you'll see to it that the tag lines get removed instead. Even if that is not your intention that is exactly what it looks like, not a good look. MPJ-DK (talk) 14:23, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
tagline: a catchphrase or slogan, especially as used in advertising, or the punchline of a joke. according to google. They used this multiple times to advertise an event. Either we should get rid of the infobox (which I don't really care too much for) and add this to the prose, or we accept this in the infobox. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:32, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@MPJ-DK: No, unsourced information regardless of my feelings should not be on Wikipedia. Any pages that have it and have it sourced its not a problem. The issue is with unsourced information. - Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 19:00, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Galatz - well except the fact that it is on the poster, so it is a "catchphrase used in advertising" and thus is sourced to the poster itself, and your removal is only by your interpretation that it's "not sourced". MPJ-DK (talk) 19:26, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Just to restate that I had also provided sources from WWE.com which are still not enough for Galatz to be taken as valid references since they do not explicitly specify that it is the PPV tagline. Again, let's take a look to the WhatCulture and BSR links so we can deem them as appropriate sources. -AndSalx95 (talk) 22:13, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I felt surprised to see the theme song entry removed before the tagline one. I'm not discussing its relevance, but given the context of this discussion, WWE does emphasize that a song will be the theme song for a PPV, which would fit more into the criteria used by Galatz. Now, about the tagline entry being removed, I agree. -AndSalx95 (talk) 16:52, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If it's on the poster, it's a tagline by definition. This doesn't mean that it was used exclusively, nor does it mean it was used consistently to promote the event. I just looked through a handful of articles for events that I watched, and more than half included taglines that I don't remember seeing or hearing leading up to the event. However, I can't argue that they are taglines. They're on the poster, which means that they were used to advertise the events. I suppose I just never saw the posters. Incidentally, how would these posters have been used? At the venue? Around the city hosting the event? Around large cities to promote the purchase of the pay-per-view? Under what circumstances would a person see such a poster on a wall? GaryColemanFan (talk) 23:48, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

One of the places I've seen those posters were in wrestling magazines I used to collect in the 1990s. MPJ-DK (talk) 02:37, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@GaryColemanFan: basically all the above and what MPJ-DK said, and also the internet. --JDC808 ♫ 03:45, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Makes sense. Thanks. (Maybe I'm showing my age when I say that the internet wasn't a thing when I last watched wrestling.) GaryColemanFan (talk) 03:55, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Taglines are on posters. If a phrase is on a poster, it's a tagline. After 28 PPVs I've never had an issue with the tagline needing a source. Not at GAN. Not at FAC.--WillC 11:31, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Jay Lethal

As we know, Jay Lethal won the ROH Tag Titles with Jonathan Gresham at Final Battle a couple nights ago. Fightful.com wrote that Lethal is now a Grand Slam Champion, even though the ROH Grand Slam, as of now, consists of the World, World Tag, World Six-Man Tag and World Television titles. He hasn’t won the Six Man Tag titles, but has won the Pure Championship, which only contributes to the Triple Crown. I’ve noticed that HHH Pedigree has added Lethal to the list of ROH Grand Slam winners, adding the Pure Championship to the table, and using the Fightful.com source. As far as I know, ROH themselves haven’t announced Lethal as a Grand Slam Champion, so should Lethal be in the table of ROH Grand Slam Champions despite that, or is the Fightful source viable enough? Drummoe (talk) 01:31, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

also, the comentators called him Grand Slam champion after his --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 01:37, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Alright seems fair enough Drummoe (talk) 01:54, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We're gonna need a source saying the commentators say this. We need a source from the company other than saying it happened.--WillC 04:16, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Does it fit into [10] / "Cite Episode"? --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 14:07, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I dont see why it shouldn't, you guys are all good. DrewieStewie (talk) 03:41, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Cite EP has always been one of those good faith type sources. No one can really check it. I used it when TNA made their grand slam for a bit. Eventually I got an actual source and a Youtube video about it from TNA. It can work but it is iffy. Open to challenges.--WillC 12:55, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

OVW Grand Slam

Recently I have been watching OVW TV episodes on YouTube, Amon (previously known as Reverend Stuart Miles) is a triple crown champion and recently won the OVW Anarchy Championship. First Amon himself proclaimed he was a Grand Slam champion in a promo then on episode 1061, one of the commentators call him a Grand Slam champion. Is this enough to make an OVW Grand Slam? It would consist of the OVW Heavyweight Championship, OVW Southern Tag Team Championship, OVW Television Championship and the OVW Anarchy Championship but note the Television title has been deactivated making all future Grand slam champions to be former Television champions. It is unknown if the new OVW Rush Division title is included in the Triple Crown or Grand Slam. What does everyone think? Browndog91 (talk) 11:50, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

to be perfectly honest, I think we need quite the overhaul on our current Grand Slam article. The bit on "regional" promotions is a bit silly - pretty much any promotion that has more than three championships has a sense of a "grand slam". We could include tens of promotions that have a similar concept, I would prefer them all to be mentioned in prose, rather than a table that is a little irrelevant with one entry. The current system seems more in line with an article like list of Grand Slam champions, rather than the article on the concept of Grand Slams.
I would recommend adding a sentence or two on the OVW article, and the BLP regarding his status and leave it as such. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:15, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I have no problem in regional promotions. the article is about the grand slam in pro wrestling and the promotions are notable. about OVW, I think its necedary one more reliable --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 03:14, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

How long

must a company be inactive before the article reflects this? I am asking for a friend who's a prince of felines as well as a Dark eight sided one. MPJ-DK (talk) 03:25, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

For TV shows I believe typically if no new season is announced the show is considered over after 1 year - Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 13:49, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Seperate page for IWGP Heavyweight Championship reigns

Been thinking about this for a while. I think that there should be a separate page for IWGP Heavyweight Championship title reigns. This would be more in line with other contemporary world championships as well as NJPW's other titles (e.g. Intercontinental, Tag Team, NEVER Openweight etc.) The same goes for the IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship, which also has its title history cojoined to the same page for some unclear reason. I don't understand why not. Both titles have plenty of history and lineage, and both have had enough reigns to justify such a move, it’s not like it’s a brand new title with little history like the WWE Universal Championship or the IWGP United States Championship. I've already brought this up on the IWGP world title talk page, but I thought I'd also bring it up here for a consensus. Any thoughts on this? Ducktech89 (talk) 11:19, 2 January 2020, (UTC)

I actually kinda have an issue in our practice of doing this. Our current guideline is that once there are 10+ reigns for a title, then a separate list article is made for the reigns; however, that sometimes leaves the championship article to be nothing but a few paragraphs (including the lead). I think the reigns should be split out only if the championship article has enough information to support itself as its own article. It should be noted, however, that the IWGP Heavyweight Championship is not an article, but in fact a list and is perfectly fine as is. It doesn't need its reigns split out. If you do split it, it would lose its status as a Featured List. Furthermore, if we were to disregard the fact that it is a list article and not a regular article, splitting the reigns out would reduce the page to basically Start Class level. --JDC808 ♫ 13:19, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In my opinion the pages rating should not be a reason not to split. A featured list nomination could be done for the new list. The 10+ reigns probably should come with some other criteria too, like the page that is left should not be below 15,000 bytes. - Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 13:52, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The ratings essentially dictate how much content is on the page. Pointing out that the IWGP title would basically become a Start Class (meaning it has some content, but it's largely lacking) was to highlight my point of championship articles becoming a bit bare when the reigns are split. I agree on further criteria, but I would say instead of a bytes limit, I would use the page ratings as the determining factor (i.e., there needs to be enough content for the page to at least be a C-Class without the reigns table). --JDC808 ♫ 14:15, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It literally is already a FL and would need to be split just so we could get another FL? What is this nonsense. The article is at the best quality it can be at right now. No one is going to expand the title to GA. What logic is this?--WillC 15:28, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
On top of that, both sets of tag titles were FLs in the main article and random users came around and thought they needed to be split without knowing they were already at their top quality per peer review. Now we have 4 articles that are basic standard articles and none that have been peer reviewed. It is that regressive thinking that hurts this project. The only reason the WWE articles are split was this project was very WWE-centric and editors wanted there to be as many WWE articles as possible without thinking. Every single WWE FL would fail a nomination now.--WillC 15:33, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
For what it's worth, I don't like splitting off the list on any article. I think it's very rare that people would just be searching for information on the title belt itself. It basically amounts to a page you have to scroll through and click through in order to get to the list of reigns, which is what almost everybody would want in the first place. GaryColemanFan (talk) 15:41, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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