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Pleased to read that you are sorted. - Sitush (talk) 01:20, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Topic ban rescinded

In case it was not obvious from the discussion, I have closed your ban appeal as successful ([1]). I am about to remove the restriction from the active log. Welcome back, and best wishes. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 13:16, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - didn't seem to by much objection, but I did fear it was going to wither on the vine of indifference! Nfitz (talk) 13:38, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Canada Soccer not an authority on players' club team

My objection with listing Liam Millar as "Liverpool U23s" is that Canada Soccer is the only source that has him on that team, and Canada soccer recently had Lucas Cavallini as a member of Atlas when that appeared to be completely false. Listing him as simply "Liverpool" is automatically correct given his loan is over at Killie and he is in the Liverpool organization at the moment. Unless another source shows "Liverpool U23s" we should stick with just Liverpool. TrailBlzr (talk) 21:03, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Simply provide a source then. We have a high-quality source saying he's U23. We have no source otherwise that I've seen. If there's no source, you are speculating. Nfitz (talk) 01:19, 2 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

FIFA World Club Cup

Sorry, I wasn't on the page I had thought I was. Red Jay (talk) 14:10, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

New message from Winged Blades of Godric

Hello, Nfitz. You have new messages at Draft_talk:Clarice_E._Phelps.
Message added 08:31, 19 June 2019 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

∯WBG^converse 08:31, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well that's interesting User:Winged Blades of Godric - and all rather puzzling given the author's comments. I'm a bit surprised to find so much discussion in 6 hours after I made my query, and to find that User:Serial Number 54129 hatted off the conversation. If there's a desire to close off the old conversation, then I think that the discussion starting with my comment a few hours ago should be in a separate section. SN54219 do you see a problem with that? Nfitz (talk) 12:58, 19 June 2019 (UTC)#[reply]

Apologies, I didn't see the latest time stamps, and thought nothng had been said since this time last May :) now adjusted. Thanks for the pointer, ——SerialNumber54129 13:54, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Meh, Chapman needs to be called out on his blatant hypocrisy; called us to be sexists for denying an article but allotted a footnote to her, in his domain-work. And, the community needs to understand that Phelps ain't meeting the notability guidelines anytime soon. ∯WBG^converse 13:38, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Surely Wikipedia isn't the place for such activism against Chapman, there's enough on-wiki drama around here already! Whether it passes (or failes) notability should be done on it's own merits. Sooner or later, Phelps may be notable simply for not being notable (I don't think we are quite there yet, but this June 2019 article pushes a bit further). Nfitz (talk) 13:47, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously, I didn't mean going after Chapman, in any literal sense:-) Phelps may be notable simply for not being notable -- This is the most likely possibility; after a few years, we will probably get enough articles all of whom state nothing but that her article was unfairly deleted from en-wiki :-( ∯WBG^converse 13:59, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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October 2019

Hello, I'm Dmehus. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Canada Computers, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources, or if you think I made a mistake, you can reply here, possibly with a ping to me. I appreciate your good faith edits of Canada Computers in which you attempted to add two citations. In both cases, the articles cited were either irrelevant or tangentially relevant. In the former, the blog post/article referred to "The Hut Dog" but made no mention of the article's subject. In the latter, it made reference to a fire in a building rented by post-secondary students which one of this non-notable computer retailer's store locations had a fire. Such details are trivial and hardly worthy of a mention in an encyclopedia. Doug Mehus (talk) 17:51, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Read the whole article - both on the website and at ProQuest - it's mentioned there. I'll restore the reference with a quote to point to the relevant information. Nfitz (talk) 17:58, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Moving this to your talk page to consolidate things and have less back-and-forth. Thanks. I'm willing to let the fire article stand, but "The Hut Dog" one is completely irrelevant and cannot remain. I didn't read the article, but didn't need to as I work more efficiently and use Ctrl+F to search for the subject article's name and/or its address, other details, etc. --Doug Mehus (talk) 18:04, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I re-read the source, though I didn't have to access via paid electronic database as both articles were freely available. You can leave the references, even if they're trivial details. Thanks for refining/clarifying.--Doug Mehus (talk) 18:10, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You didn't read the article, but you feel that it shouldn't be referenced? You are "willing to let the fire article stand"? Please read and apply WP:OWNERSHIP! And WP:WAIT while I'm trying to improve the article, which clearly has issues. Thanks! Nfitz (talk) 18:12, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please keep the discussion together, per my request above. When editing, it is often not necessary to read through entire articles, especially those that make only passing or tangential mentions to a subject. One has to work efficiently. Nevertheless, obviously, I was working too efficiently and Google Chrome didn't find the Canada Computers reference. As I stated, you can leave both references and I appreciate your good faith refinement by adding the quotation in your reply above. --Doug Mehus (talk) 18:18, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You explicitly asked me to reply on your talk page. And that is often how I edit anyhow. If you are going to revert edits from experienced editors, while they are in the midst of working on an article, you must assume good faith, and they have added the information for a reason. If you want to work efficiently, come back in a day or two, and see where this landed - there is WP:NORUSH. Or just ask me why I added something that appears to be unrelated, instead of starting to edit aggressively. I admit, on the surface, the hot-dog edit looks pretty weird ... hopefully I'll find a better reference before I'm done. Thanks. Nfitz (talk) 18:52, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In my initial notification, yes, that's correct, but I used Twinkle to place the notification, which is limited to the degree to which it lets you modify templates. I was never happy with that, so subsequently modified my original request to please reply here to keep the discussion together, possibly with a ping (though I've added your talk page to my Watchlist for a few days, to catch any replies needing my attention). For clarity, I always assume good faith, but I reject your characterization of my edits as "aggressive". They are bold edits, to which I'd add I did not undo your reversion of my edit consistent with WP:BRD and have taken this to your Talk page (where it should be). You're attempting to improve the article, which is good, so I'm hoping we can put this thread to bed now. If you'd like to help rescue other noteworthy articles, one that I stumbled upon is Independent Soldiers. I've added a number of details that establish this street gang's notability, added citations, added an infobox, and re-characterized the "club" to what it is, a street gang. I was surprised it AfD'ed actually, as it's definitely notable. So, I do try and rescue articles where I see potential for improvement and notability.Doug Mehus (talk) 19:01, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Twinkle doesn't sound very efficient to me! Your edits come across as aggressive - you may not see or intend it that way, but others do. I've been concerned for some time, with the various Canadian AFDs you've done of late - this is the first time, I've ever had anyone trying to edit attempts to improve an article in real-time - which I can say isn't very efficient! I hadn't seen that AFD ... improvement probably needed - but it looks under control - I've got a Rugby game to watch ..., and I'm not touching the article for violent criminal organization from my user id with a barge pole! Nfitz (talk) 19:16, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Nfitz: Oh, you're a rugby fan? Cool. Why do you say you wouldn't touch a violent criminal organization's article with a barge pole? I'm just thinking, for prolific edits, the edits would be obscured in one's Contributions log by thousands, or even tens of thousands, of edits. One has to hand it to journalist like the Sun's Kim Bolan et al. that cover these organizations as one googling the organization and his or her name would produce lots of results. Doug Mehus (talk) 19:22, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Out of curiosity

Sorry to message you on your talk page, but the ANI thread was closed before I noticed it. (I regularly Ctrl+F the page for "Japan" to see if my help is needed, but I've been quite distracted of late -- I actually did notice the thread a few days ago and stayed away for my own reasons; I didn't notice アリ until just now, though.)

You recently referred, on ANI, to an edit saying that the Japanese girl's name "Ari" meant "ant" as being correct and not nonsense. This seems ... questionable. Japanese is infamous for its large number of homonyms, and while Kojien only lists the words for ant and "to be"(-ish), it has never occurred to me that the girl's name "Ari" could come from the word for "ant". It's never written with the character 蟻 -- https://tangorin.com/names?search=%E3%81%82%E3%82%8A lists 44 different ways of writing it as a "female given name", and 蟻 is only given (questionably) in one that it lists as a "family name / given name".

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 15:26, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Later on in the discussion, I noted that it was the same word, but didn't appear to be that meaning (a hononym, though I didn't use that), referencing a discussion about that. As such, it may have been nonsense, but not complete nonsense - as the editor wasn't making it up, but had likely read something erroneous. Thanks for the background - the etymology often fascinates me - but I'm far out of my league when it comes to some languages? Nfitz (talk) 15:35, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well, FWIW, I've had a lot of bad experiences with editors posting patent nonsense on Japan-related articles, then getting into long IDHT runs on the talk pages, and then when I asked the community to deal with it at ANI they just said "I don't see how that's patent nonsense" apparently because they themselves didn't understand the content; so I may be biased here, but I agree with the editor you were arguing with that that edit was patent nonsense, and I think it was somewhat unhelpful to argue with him at ANI that it wasn't. (Going to his talk page and asking for clarification probably would have been better.)

And yes, I do see what is happening to him at ANI now as somewhat problematic -- a bunch of editors who either don't like him for their own reasons or who don't understand the nature of his disputes and are just assuming that there must be a problem calling for him to be TBANned or even SBANned.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 03:01, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well at least there's no talk page rants from that user, User:Hijiri88 The edit, poor as it was, seemed to be in good faith, and I did find web pages discussing whether there was a link to "ant" so not completely out of the blue - and certainly not even the complete nonsense that was claimed by the instigator of that ANI thread. That edit added two facts that seem correct, and the not unique misconception about "ant". The editor making false claims and exaggeration about vandalism, trolling, and complete nonsense don't help. And that was the worst edit I could find ... most were pretty innocuous, though badly formatted. I asked more than once for diffs of vandalism and trolling - none were provided - and then later, they attack me with what appears to be a racial slur (or is it some strange sexual thing - I remain somewhat baffled)? Simply because I called them out about making false claims about trolling and vandalism? Perhaps you should read more of the discussion. That being said, some of the further edits by 서덕민 ‎since that discussion are becoming more concerning. Nfitz (talk) 05:40, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Can you link me to one or two of those websites? It sounds like a joke/hoax -- you can be suckered in and not be in violation of Wikipedia policy as long as you don't add it to the article space, but an editor who either (a) doesn't believe it and adds it to our article maliciously or (b) adds it to our article because they sincerely believe it, is a problem for the project either way. Making a judgement call and saying it is (a) and not (b) (what you call "false claims about trolling and vandalism") may not be the move I would have personally made, but I don't think it's fair to go after Sk8erPrince for doing so as you have been doing either. I don't know what "Korean fetish" meant, but given what S8P has been putting up with for the last week or so his being frustrated and lashing out in general is very understandable -- and indeed it is appalling that nothing has so far been done to address this harassment -- and given that you had already effectively shut down an apparently good-faith ANI report and involved yourself in a discussion over whether S8P should be removed from the project, his lashing out at you specifically is understandable if not necessarily justified. I think if you find interacting with him to be unpleasant, there's nothing stopping you from walking away, and there hasn't been for the last several days. Your !voting in the AFD was entirely uncalled for, IMO. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 07:39, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

??? The sites said ant wasn't the meaning of Ari (name), but confirmed that Ari was a name in Japanese - are you saying it's not a name in Japanese? I don't see any evidence of malicious behaviour. The problem is that Sk8erPrince doesn't listen - and kept going on about trolling without providing a diff, refusing to see that some of the edits were correct (like noting that Ari was a name in both Korean and Japanese). Looks like they were already criticized by others before they even started at ANI - whatever trouble they seem to have had was brought on themselves, between the initial ANI case, and overzealous AFD (given their previous two topic bans about being overzealous at AFD). I only became involved when just after their ANI complaint was closed, they asked for examples of problems with their recent on-Site behaviour, claiming the issues were all in the past - to which I answered simply answered honestly. There's little justification for being uncivil simply because one is frustrated - but if one is uncivil - why not delete or apologize for the "Korean fetish' comment? There's been no attempt at that. Why? Why do you defend an editor who won't even apologize for being grossly uncivil - violating a basic pillar of the project? I asked them several times to provide diffs of vandalism, trolling, or complete nonsense - and the best they could come up was that Ari edit - which at the worst was only partial nonsense, given that he also correctly identified that it's a name in two other languages. Surely making false accusations and biting newcomers is a far worse issue than poor grammar and etymology, which could quickly be fixed. Which isn't to say that User:서덕민 isn't going to have to be dealt with - though I'm just noticing that overnight they created Hanna (Korean name) - which does seem to be an improvement over some earlier edits, and does address some of the comments made about earlier edits (though I'm not sure about the messaging of others, that there should be standalone pages like this - but that's not my area of expertise). Nfitz (talk) 14:26, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW

I apologize if our recent interaction on ANI got a little heated. I've been under a lot of stress lately for ... reasons. I think you and I disagree as to whether it is acceptable to call a certain type of edit "complete nonsense", but now that the editor who actually did that has been indeffed for probably unrelated reasons, I see no reason why we can't move forward, agree to disagree on minor trifles like that, and behave in a collegial manner toward each other. In that spirit, I would like express regret over that recent tiff on the noticeboards. Kind regards, and happy editing! Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 02:48, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. After the "fetish" comment, I did some digging, and came across off-site evidence of the same kind of stuff that they'd previously been topic-banned for ... and far worse. This changed my my view from being relatively passive in the second ANI discussion. I suspect others had seen similar. But discussion has to be related to on-site actions. Glad to see Arbcom taking this out of our hands. Wow ... Nfitz (talk) 03:09, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your comment at ani

You forgot to sign it. —AdamF in MO (talk) 01:34, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - real world interrupted! Nfitz (talk) 05:28, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Disco ball of unlimited knowledge

I appreciate your contributions! Thanks for continuing to make Wikipedia a productive space. Lightburst (talk) 00:48, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Is it just me, or does it seem like the above editor is thanking every editor who has even a civil disagreement with me, regardless of whether he himself had any involvement therein? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 02:44, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- I was just happy to see the nice spinning ball ... and fire up some ABBA tunes! Nfitz (talk) 03:11, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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BLPN discussion on Mark Bourrie

Hi, just to let you know in case you didn't yet notice, the Mark Bourrie article was recently mentioned at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Mark Bourrie. Yes by socks, but per DOLT etc, some regulars did check out to see if there was anything that could be improved in the article hence the recent edits. Nil Einne (talk) 10:29, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Stop reverting this. There is a topic in the talk page. STOP NOW.

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