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Text and/or other creative content from this version of Syrian Civil War#Timeline was copied or moved into Timeline of the Syrian Civil War with this edit on 4-10 January 2019. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

Not a redirect!

This is a bad redirect, I removed it:

REDIRECT Talk:Timeline of the 2011–2012 Syrian uprising (May–August 2011)

The reason is that if the article is to be split into time periods, the overview article should take precedence. Rursus dixit. (^mbork³!) 07:45, 8 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not a disambig!

It seems the article is splitup into parts, which might be a good thing, but the remains shouldn't be a disambiguation page, since the topics are very very clearly related. Instead it should be an overview, reviewing the subperiods superficially. Rursus dixit. (^mbork³!) 07:45, 8 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Timeline of the Syrian civil war

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Timeline of the Syrian civil war's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Hezbollah in Q 2013":

From Syrian civil war: Barnard, Anne; Saad, Hwaida (19 May 2013). "Hezbollah Aids Syrian Military In a Key Battle". The New York Times.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
From Battle of al-Qusayr (2013): Hezbollah Aids Syrian Military in a Key Battle
From Hezbollah: Barnard, Anne; Saad, Hwaida (May 20, 2013). "Hezbollah Aids Syrian Military In a Key Battle". The New York Times. Retrieved September 4, 2013.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
From Al-Qusayr, Syria: Anne Barnard and Hwaida Saad (20 May 2013). "Hezbollah Aids Syrian Military In a Key Battle". The New York Times. Retrieved 2013-05-27.
From Al-Qusayr offensive: ANNE BARNARD and HWAIDA SAAD; Anne Barnard and Hwaida Saad reported from Beirut. Hala Droubi contributed reporting from Riyadh, Saudi Arabia (20 May 2013). "Hezbollah Aids Syrian Military In a Key Battle". The New York Times. {{cite news}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 15:37, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Split

I've noticed much of the information from the Syrian civil war article was relocated here by @FutureTrillionaire:. Though a positive move towards decreasing the size of the main article, i think the correct place for summary on the war's history should be History of the Syrian civil war, while this article should continue to serve as a disambig page for numerous timeline articles. Proposed.Greyshark09 (talk) 12:17, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - See Timeline of the Libyan civil war. Having too many articles will only confuse readers. "Timeline" and "History" pretty much mean the same thing: information concerning the course of the war.--FutureTrillionaire (talk) 16:02, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - articles named "History of..." should be reserved for areas (such as History of Syria), technologies (such as History of warfare) or objects. For wars, this preceding word is redundant - we don't need to write History of World War II, because World War II is enough. Mikael Häggström (talk) 04:59, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I’m sorry: I don’t understand the notice above the article: “split into a new article History of the S.c.w.”. ‘Split’ means: split over two or more articles, you can’t ‘split over one article’. Mr. Greyshark09 calls this page a “summary on the war’s history”, but that is certainly not what it is meant to be. This is a sub-article of Syrian civil war, presenting rather extensively the acts and events of that war since approximately 29 July 2011 (although even more detailed information can be found in further sub-sub-articles, as is clearly indicated). A summary of this subarticle – so a summary of the proceedings of the war since 29 July 2011 – could be written in Syrian civil war#Insurgency and civil war, but that summary is not yet written; perhaps due to the difficultness of summarizing a war that is still going on. Perhaps though, the title ‘Timeline of the Syrian civil war’ is wrong or confusing, because this really is not written nor meant as a ‘timeline’, it is meant as a ‘storytelling article’ of purely the acts of this war. Corriebertus (talk) 18:51, 5 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 23:57, 12 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline of the Syrian civil war → Timeline of the Syrian Civil War – The main page was just moved from "Syrian civil war" to "Syrian Civil War", there should be consistency. Charles Essie (talk) 18:12, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Proposed merge with 2011 in Syria, 2012 in Syria, 2013 in Syria, 2014 in Syria, and 2015 in Syria

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was to merge the "Events" section as detailed in the discussion Tradedia^talk 03:09, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There is duplication between Timeline of the Syrian Civil War articles on one side, and 2011 in Syria, 2012 in Syria, 2013 in Syria, 2014 in Syria, and 2015 in Syria on the other side (since all the content of "year in Syria" articles is about the war). This does not make any sense. The "year in Syria" articles should be merged into the "Timeline of the Syrian Civil War" articles and the former should be #redirected. Tradedia^talk 19:07, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I do not think that there should be a merger because non war-related deaths may occur in Syria or there will be births listed on these pages in 30 years. Therefore, there should not be a merger. Kges1901 (talk) 11:46, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You have a good point. How about then merge just the "Events" section (in "year in Syria" article) and replace it with a link to "Timeline of the Syrian Civil War" article? Tradedia^talk 17:02, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That could work, except for any events unrelated to it. Jackninja5 (talk) 10:21, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Then how about we do this?:

2014 in Syria

bla bla bla

Events

January 5 - Event 1 unrelated to war
May 7 - Event 2 unrelated to war

For events related to the Civil War, see Timeline of the Syrian Civil War (August 2014–present)

Births

bla bla bla

Tradedia^talk 19:35, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a great idea. Kges1901 (talk) 21:33, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

When does this discussion end? I mean can't we just put them in now? Jackninja5 (talk) 01:59, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Jackninja5: According to Wikipedia:Merging#Step 4: Close the merger discussion and determine consensus: "During discussion, a rough consensus to proceed with the merger may emerge. If enough time (normally one week or more) has elapsed and there has been no discussion or is unanimous consent to merge, any user may close the discussion and move forward with the merger." Therefore, I will close the merger discussion with the result merge the "Events" section as detailed in the discussion. Tradedia^talk 03:09, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Proposal to Merge

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was don't merge per WP:SNOW. Tradedia^talk 09:37, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It seems there are several redundant pages which share a common aim of outlining the course of events of the war, to varying degrees of specificity (see: Course of events of the Syrian Civil War, 2011 in Syria)

This article alone has been broken up into 13 (!) separate articles by time period — for general tidyness and ease of editing and reading, I propose merging all of them into a single article (this one) delineated by copying the corresponding articles for each period.

Following this merger, I would further propose that work begin to merge the aforementioned redundant pages into this one.

Proposal Summary:

Merge the following into a single article: Timeline of the Syrian Civil War :

Logistical Issues:

I'm not sure how Talk pages get merged — should each Talk page just be copied into the master Talk page?
Template:Campaignbox_Syrian_Civil_War would need to be modified

Shawn.carrie (talk) 00:10, 18 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I see this proposal has been open for almost two months and has not received any support. The reason is that at the beginning, there was one article, but it then kept being broken up because it was becoming too large given Wikipedia article length guidelines and because it created computer problems especially with more and more people accessing Wikipedia with their mobile. Moreover, Course of events of the Syrian Civil War is different in nature and is not a timeline, but rather a summary. Its content used to be part of the main article (Syrian Civil War) but was spun-off into a separate article given Wikipedia article length guidelines. Concerning 2011 in Syria, notice that there is already an approved merger (see section above) to merge it (along with 2012 in Syria, 2013 in Syria, 2014 in Syria, and 2015 in Syria) into the timeline articles. We need helping hands to accomplish this merger.

According to Wikipedia:Merging#Step 4: Close the merger discussion and determine consensus: "If there is a consensus against the merger, or, for older proposals, if there is no consensus or no discussion and you don't believe it is appropriate to merge the pages, then please remove the merge proposal tags, and, if necessary, close any discussion." Therefore, I am closing this merger discussion with the result don't merge per WP:SNOW. Tradedia^talk 09:37, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Proposal to change in title!

"Timeline of the Syrian Civil War" is incorrect from a pure neutral point of view. What we observe is a conflict with geo-political dimensions on a far away- battlefield (except for the part of israelis) on the shoulders of proxys. in concequence the correct title should be: " Timeline of the War in Syria " 92.104.195.128 (talk) 10:52, 6 July 2017 (UTC) cosy-ch[reply]

War in Syria redirects to Syrian Civil War. Change that title, and the timeline article series will follow that. – wbm1058 (talk) 03:10, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Wbm1058.GreyShark (dibra) 07:39, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

Herewith propose to merge Course of events of the Syrian Civil War -> Timeline of the Syrian Civil War. This target article is very undeveloped and includes only links to timeline subarticles. A fair description of events like the one in the Course of events should be here.GreyShark (dibra) 07:39, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed A unified and comprehensive timeline article is badly needed considering how overstuffed the main article is getting. Charles Essie (talk) 21:23, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done with no objections.GreyShark (dibra) 15:15, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal to merge/cut and paste section from main article to this one

The main article is way too long and unwieldy and there is already some discussion there about overlap and doing something about cutting it down on the Talk page over there. There is also a multitude of articles relating to this war. After spending quite a bit of time tidying up the section Syrian Civil War: Timeline and pondering how best to accommodate this somewhere else, and considering the considerable overlap with this article and it's linked-to articles, I would like to open a discussion on how best to merge the info in this article and that section. I think that the timeline info in the other article really rightly belongs in this one - but the headings are not consistent with each other (although I did do some work on matching them up to a certain point), and I notice that the narrative in this article ends in 2016. I am thinking that if perhaps a few editors could divide up the work, relevant info from the other article could be copied into this one (with appropriate attributions, redirects, etc. included). What do people think? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 06:39, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Since nobody has contributed or objected, I have started the process of integrating everything from the main article's timeline into this one. This may take some time and will be done sub-section by sub-section. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 05:23, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Update. I found that most of the text in each sub-section was identical or nearly identical to the text in the main SCW (up until the Raqqa Offensive in 2016 - where this one ended), but I checked each section line by line before copying over. Apart from some minor tidying and updating or improving citations, I haven't changed anything. I'm not sure at what point all of the text was copied over, or where it started life, but anyway the histories of both pages should reveal all. I have provided an attribution note at the top of this talk and on some of my edits. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 04:14, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This move is now complete. I have left a bolded list (not sub-headings, so they don't appear in the ToC) in the main SCW article, with links to main articles and the relevant sections in the Timeline article.Laterthanyouthink (talk) 06:15, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Text copied

Text and/or other creative content from this version of 2019 Turkish offensive into north-eastern Syria was copied or moved into Timeline of the Syrian Civil War with this edit on December 10, 2019. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

---> --Sm8900 (talk) 18:32, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

added some new updates today

added some material for new updates today. --Sm8900 (talk) 18:46, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

possible material for lead

should we add any of this to the lead? just wanted to ask.

In October 2019, in response to the Turkish offensive, Russia arranged for negotiations between the Syrian government in Damascus and the Kurdish-led forces.^[1] ^[2] Mazloum Abdi, the Syrian Kurdish commander-in-chief, announced that they are ready to partner with Vladimir Putin (Russia) and Bashar al-Assad (Syria), stating that "We know that we would have to make painful compromises with Moscow and Bashar al-Assad if we go down the road of working with them. But if we have to choose between compromises and the genocide of our people, we will surely choose life for our people."^[3]

The agreement specified some regions where the SDF agreed to the deployment of Syrian Army troops, and also areas of northeastern Syria that would be managed by the Syrian government in Damascus.^[4] The deal allowed Syrian government forces to take control of security in some border areas, but the Kurdish-led administration would maintain control of local institutions.^[5]

As a result of the deal, Syrian troops entered several key towns in northeastern Syria with Kurdish agreement.^[6]^[7] Syrian troops took up position in some areas to oppose Turkish-backed fighters that were threatening Kurdish forces.^[8]

Russia and Turkey made an agreement to set up a Second Northern Syria Buffer Zone. Syrian President Assad expressed full support for the deal, as various terms of the agreement also applied to the Syrian government.^[9]^[10]

Erdogan said that Turkey expects to resettle about 1 million Syrian refugees in that area, and called for more funding from the EU and other organizations. This has caused the Kurds to raise some concerns about displacement of various existing populations and communities.^[11]^[12]^[13]^[14]^[15]

In December 2019, the Syrian government was still attacking rebel groups in northwest Syria. ^[16]

thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 22:33, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't edited this article for a very long time, and don't have time for further involvement, but will just drop this comment... Remember the article is supposed to be a wp:timeline article (although it has already strayed far from Wikipedia:Timeline standards), so is not supposed to contain too much detail. I did extensive work on it some time ago just to try to bring it into sync with some of the multitude of other articles on the war, but found it quite difficult to to keep up with the endless reporting on it. I have lost familiarity with current events, but just having a quick look, wondering if the Syrian Constitutional Committee section could be integrated into the timeline events above?

About the lead - it's obviously very difficult to summarise an article like this as per WP:LEAD, but I think that what you have written above is way too detailed for the lead. One or two sentences (no citations required, so long as cited in the body) about diplomatic efforts, no quotes or details about deals, and perhaps a sentence starting As of December 2019... saying whatever (diplomatic efforts continue; Russian-backed Syrian forces are attacking Kurds since the US pulled out, or whatever). And please clean up thos citations to remove bare urls, if you use them in the article. (You can use {{cite web}} or {{cite news}} templates, or at the very least use square brackets and put the title of the article after url. WP:CHEAT has more.) Good luck!

@Laterthanyouthink: hi. thanks very much for your ideas. that's very helpful. by the way, just a reminder, please add your signature to your comment above. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 17:40, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, Sm8900, and sorry - I usually do add my signature! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 23:35, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

references

References

^ Russia calls Turkey’s invasion of north Syria ‘unacceptable.’ Strongest words yet from Assad-supporting Moscow heaps pressure on Ankara. Tue, Oct 15, 2019,Henry Foy, Laura Pitel, Chloe Cornish
^ Kottasová, Ivana; Ilyushina, Mary (15 October 2019). "Russians fill the void left by US troops in Syria". CNN.
^ Abdi, Mazloum (13 October 2019). "If We Have to Choose Between Compromise and Genocide, We Will Choose Our People. The Kurds' commander in chief explains why his forces are finally ready to partner with Assad and Putin". Foreign Policy.
^ Sanchez, Raf (14 October 2019). "Assad troops enter north-east Syria after Russia-backed deal with Kurds". The Telegraph.
^ Fahim, Kareem; Dadouch, Sarah; Englund, Will (15 October 2019). "Russia patrolling between Turkish and Syrian forces after U.S. troops withdraw". Washington Post.
^ Syrian troops enter northeastern town after deal with Kurdish forces - state media, Ellen Francis, Tuvan Gumrukcu, October 14, 2019.
^ Syrian troops enter northern towns and villages, setting up a potential clash with Turkish-led forces, OCT 15 2019,cnbc.com
^ [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/14/syrian-troops-enter-kurdish-fight-against-turkish-forces Syrian troops enter Kurdish fight against Turkish forces. Deal to support Kurds in exchange for key cities set to open new front in civil war. Michael Safi in Amman and Bethan McKernan in Akçakale Mon 14 Oct 2019.
^ "Russia deploys troops to Turkey-Syria border". 2019-10-23. Retrieved 2019-10-24.
^ Turkey and Russia agree on deal over buffer zone in northern Syria. Erdoğan hails agreement with Putin in which Kurdish fighters will be moved from border area. guardian.com.
^ Erdogan says world cares more about Syria's oil than its children Tuesday, December 17, 2019.
^ https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/12/erdogan-urges-resettling-1-million-refugees-northern-syria-191217100317971.html Erdogan urges resettling of 1 million refugees in northern Syria. Turkish president says formula needed to allow refugees to return on a voluntary basis but in 'short period of time'.
^ https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/turkey-says-eu-should-increase-funding-syrian-refugees-beyond-66bn-pledged Turkey says EU should increase funding of Syrian refugees beyond $6.6bn pledged.EU funds support 3.5 million Syrian refugees in Turkey, as Syria's civil war has killed hundreds of thousands and pushed millions from their homes.
^ https://ahvalnews.com/migrants/migrant-wave-calls-eu-turkey-deal-question-report Migrant wave calls EU-Turkey deal into question - report. Dec 17 2019 The number of migrants crossing from Turkey into Europe doubled in 2019 to 70,000, raising questions about whether the 2016 EU-Turkey migrant deal is still effective, Deutsche Welle reported, citing a confidential EU report.
^ https://www.dw.com/en/migrant-arrivals-in-europe-from-turkey-nearly-double-in-2019/a-51702064 Migrant arrivals in Europe from Turkey nearly double in 2019. According to a confidential EU report, 70,000 migrants have crossed from Turkey to the EU this year. The numbers raise questions about whether an EU-Turkey refugee deal is unravelling.
^ https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/12/20-killed-air-raids-towns-syria-idlib-191217171215067.html More than 20 killed in air raids on towns in Syria's Idlib. Russian-backed government forces step up attacks on rebel-held towns in northwest Syria, volunteer medic group says.

added some sections today

added some sections today on some recent events. eg, a section on refugees, reconstruction, etc. --Sm8900 (talk) 14:52, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Blame Game

THE OTTOMAN MISTAKE

106.205.172.160 (talk) 10:59, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What does SDF refer to in the introduction?

It says:

"In response to Operation Peace Spring, and the US withdrawal of forces, Russia began some efforts at mediation, and arranged for negotiations and the first-ever accordance between the Syrian government in Damascus and the SDF"--Hiveir (talk) 21:17, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Russia calls Turkey’s invasion of north Syria ‘unacceptable.’ Strongest words yet from Assad-supporting Moscow heaps pressure on Ankara. Tue, Oct 15, 2019,Henry Foy, Laura Pitel, Chloe Cornish

[ko-il-rftv-2] Kottasová, Ivana; Ilyushina, Mary (15 October 2019). "Russians fill the void left by US troops in Syria". CNN.

[abma-if-we_2-3] Abdi, Mazloum (13 October 2019). "If We Have to Choose Between Compromise and Genocide, We Will Choose Our People. The Kurds' commander in chief explains why his forces are finally ready to partner with Assad and Putin". Foreign Policy.

[4] Sanchez, Raf (14 October 2019). "Assad troops enter north-east Syria after Russia-backed deal with Kurds". The Telegraph.

[wapo-ssgse-5] Fahim, Kareem; Dadouch, Sarah; Englund, Will (15 October 2019). "Russia patrolling between Turkish and Syrian forces after U.S. troops withdraw". Washington Post.

[6] Syrian troops enter northeastern town after deal with Kurdish forces - state media, Ellen Francis, Tuvan Gumrukcu, October 14, 2019.

[7] Syrian troops enter northern towns and villages, setting up a potential clash with Turkish-led forces, OCT 15 2019,cnbc.com

[8] [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/14/syrian-troops-enter-kurdish-fight-against-turkish-forces Syrian troops enter Kurdish fight against Turkish forces. Deal to support Kurds in exchange for key cities set to open new front in civil war. Michael Safi in Amman and Bethan McKernan in Akçakale Mon 14 Oct 2019.

[:2-9] "Russia deploys troops to Turkey-Syria border". 2019-10-23. Retrieved 2019-10-24.

[10] Turkey and Russia agree on deal over buffer zone in northern Syria. Erdoğan hails agreement with Putin in which Kurdish fighters will be moved from border area. guardian.com.

[11] Erdogan says world cares more about Syria's oil than its children Tuesday, December 17, 2019.

[12] ttps://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/12/erdogan-urges-resettling-1-million-refugees-northern-syria-191217100317971.html Erdogan urges resettling of 1 million refugees in northern Syria. Turkish president says formula needed to allow refugees to return on a voluntary basis but in 'short period of time'.

[13] ttps://www.middleeasteye.net/news/turkey-says-eu-should-increase-funding-syrian-refugees-beyond-66bn-pledged Turkey says EU should increase funding of Syrian refugees beyond $6.6bn pledged.EU funds support 3.5 million Syrian refugees in Turkey, as Syria's civil war has killed hundreds of thousands and pushed millions from their homes.

[14] ttps://ahvalnews.com/migrants/migrant-wave-calls-eu-turkey-deal-question-report Migrant wave calls EU-Turkey deal into question - report. Dec 17 2019 The number of migrants crossing from Turkey into Europe doubled in 2019 to 70,000, raising questions about whether the 2016 EU-Turkey migrant deal is still effective, Deutsche Welle reported, citing a confidential EU report.

[15] ttps://www.dw.com/en/migrant-arrivals-in-europe-from-turkey-nearly-double-in-2019/a-51702064 Migrant arrivals in Europe from Turkey nearly double in 2019. According to a confidential EU report, 70,000 migrants have crossed from Turkey to the EU this year. The numbers raise questions about whether an EU-Turkey refugee deal is unravelling.

[Jazeera_idlib-16] ttps://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/12/20-killed-air-raids-towns-syria-idlib-191217171215067.html More than 20 killed in air raids on towns in Syria's Idlib. Russian-backed government forces step up attacks on rebel-held towns in northwest Syria, volunteer medic group says.

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