Talk:Murder of David Dorn

Issues with point-of-view and relevance

The subject of this article is a heavily politicized topic and the construction of the article indicates that the article itself is being used as such. In particular, there is an apparent contextualize this as a major event within the George Floyd protests when this does not appear to be true (while it has briefly attracted national attention, particularly from fringe outlets, it appears to have mostly remained a local crime story). For this reason, I am flagging this for Point-of-View issues and making modest revisions to superficially address some of its problems, including:

• Overcategorization - this has been placed within a substantial number of categories, presumably to inflate its apparent relevance, including
  • Categories that suggest a level of historical significance which this event lacks (Category:2020 controversies in the United States, Category:2020 crimes in the United States, Category:2020 in Missouri, Category:Crime in St. Louis, Category:June 2020 events in the United States, Category:21st century in St. Louis, Category:African-American history in St. Louis, Category:African-American-related controversies)
  • Biographical categories, noting that this page may be better rewritten as a biographical article, as Dorn himself seems to be of some significance in life (Category:African-American police officers, Category:People from St. Louis, Category:American municipal police officers)
• The George Floyd protests are mentioned several times (often as "riots"); while they give some amount of context for the event and the response thereto, it is unclear that there even is a direct connection, though the sentence "That night was a particularly violent in St. Louis" carries a clear insinuation
• The summary of surveillance footage as "Persons of Interest: 6 black men and 1 woman unknown" serves no apparent purpose other than to remind readers that there are Black suspects
• Three sources with well-known editorial bias are included (The Blaze, the Daily Wire, & the Washington Times); none of these articles contribute information to the article not given in other sources

Nikko2013 (talk) 06:03, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for removing the unacceptable additions to this article. It's important to keep it well-sourced, encyclopedic, and neutral. TJMSmith (talk) 06:40, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm going to remove the race from the description of the alleged shooter. Either that or adding Dorn's race seems to me obviously necessary to preserve NPOV. --Haruo (talk) 09:53, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Subject name

Hi @TJMSmith: I moved the Shooting of David Dorn to Death of David Dorn without checking the history. I noticed that you moved it two days ago, my move effectively reverted yours. While I maintain that it's better to be Death of David Dorn, I think it's only fair to notify you for this matter and gain consensus before I take this measure. Feel free to revert my revision and start a Propose to Move. xinbenlv ^{Talk, Remember to "ping" me} 23:13, 9 June 2020 (Date/time added per edit history.) 220 of ^Borg 06:13, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Description of accused shooter

Several editors have added a description of the accused shooter as African-American. This description is not used in the source provided and appears to be original research. Even if the description is accurate it is still inappropriate to use without providing a reliable source that considers it noteworthy. See the relevant discussion on the no original research noticeboard. CowHouse (talk) 14:10, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

You can not provide a reliable source the the Media refuses to mention his race in the story. But his race is known and pictured. They only mention the accused race if he is a white man. SBRodriguez (talk) 23:25, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia is based on reliable sources, not original research. We do not mention characteristics such as race unless reliable sources consider it noteworthy. For example, you will not find a description of the shooter's race on the page 2012 Aurora, Colorado shooting. Adding a description of him as African American while acknowledging "the Media refuses to mention his race" is WP:RGW. CowHouse (talk) 14:34, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

The media source provided for that sentence shows his photo (and hence his race), which is why the source doesn't bother to describe the same thing in the text since that would be redundant. That doesn't mean the media didn't consider it "noteworthy" - they showed his photo precisely because they felt it was noteworthy, for crying out loud - hence it is noteworthy enough for inclusion and also necessary for consistency since we already describe Dorn's race. If we're going to describe the race of the victim then we should also describe the race of the suspect. I have no idea why you are stubbornly removing this over and over. BillsYourUncle (talk) 16:41, 22 June 2020 (UTC)