Talk:Jack Buckby

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Sourcing must comply with WP:RS

There's been a lot of stuff added repeatedly to this page that isn't in mainstream, verifiable Reliable Sources. WP:BLP requires that sources be solid - and that stuff without a solid source shouldn't be in the article. Editors should review both WP:RS and WP:BLP, stop adding questionable sources that don't provide reliable third-party back up for claims, and stop removing the tags denoting questionable sourcing. Arguably, the page should be stripped back strictly to statements backed by mainstream third-party coverage - David Gerard (talk) 08:59, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

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Wikipedia administrators aren't content moderators - I'm an admin, but I'm editing here as an editor. That said, I'm a fairly experienced one, so I can hopefully point everyone in a useful direction: if you have a serious sourcing dispute, the places to address it are, firstly, here. If we can't work it out here, the next place to call is at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard or the Biographies of Living People Noticeboard - best choose one at first. If your concern is as to the quality of a given source, the first one is the one you want - take care to note details of the actual dispute, so that RSN has context - David Gerard (talk) 22:04, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Criticism of the Far Right

In his most recent work, Buckby has criticized the far right and argued that the far right is being emboldened by political negligence in working class communities. That has not been included in this page and whenever it has been included it has been removed by anonymous users. I have copied an interaction with one of the anonymous users who removed the one section talking about his criticism of the far right to demonstrate that this issue may be being affected by personal feelings and political disagreements of editors on this page.

I think this page would benefit from at least a sentence that describes how Buckby criticizes neo-Nazis/neo-fascists. It is simply a matter of fact. Please find the interaction below, to support the point I made:

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"How dare you suggest I am editing Buckby's page because I do not like him; I do not like history being rewritten.

It is evident from Buckby's twitter and youtube that he considers people that aren't 'far-right', by most educated persons in the field, 'far-left' - he is no authority on what is and isn't the 'far-right' and as such he is not a vocal critic of it because he cannot even define it properly.

Buckby sent a tweet offering his book for free in exchange for a review - Helen Dale responded to this tweet taking him up on the offer. The review is overtly positive and as such is not a reliable source considering her history.

He is still far more critical of anyone left of the centre-right than 'neo-nazis'; evidenced by his pathetic ramblings about Dominic Cummings posted yesterday to his youtube.

He is engaged to a woman that frequently engages with alt-right, white supremacists on twitter. She often posts inflammatory tweets aimed at non-white people.

It's sad that you cannot see Buckby for what he really is, critic of the far-right, he is not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.25.195.68 (talk) 14:59, 28 May 2020 (UTC)"

"Hello, and thank you for responding. You seem quite offended and that was not my intention. Buckby criticizes the far right, specifically neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and racists frequently on his Twitter. Book reviews are perfectly common, it's a practice in the publishing industry, and him sending a book to be reviewed does not mean it was commissioned. Books frequently receive negative reviews after being sent to outlets for free.

Your use of phrases like "pathetic ramblings about Dominic Cummings" I'm afraid suggests you have quite a personal and emotional reason to be removing things from Buckby's page. If he criticizes the far right, which he does in his book, in his articles, in videos and in interviews, then it should be portrayed on this page. Whether you agree that he has changed his mind or not is a personal matter, if he criticizes neo-Nazis then this should be established on his biography.

How, therefore, would you suggest this be resolved? Remember you can't edit pages based on personal opinions and feelings. There are several instances of him criticizing the far right, and his book is just one example of him criticizing the far right. If he criticizes the left, that doesn't change the fact he has also criticizes the far right.

I would hope you might consider editing the section about the kind of things he criticizes in content he "frequently publishes" but I am getting the impression that you don't want to accept anything that suggests Buckby criticizes the far right because you don't personally agree with him?"

Please remember to sign your comments as I do below!

Rosswikieditor (talk) 15:05, 28 May 2020 (UTC)Rosswikieditor

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Rosswikieditor (talk) 15:13, 28 May 2020 (UTC)Rosswikieditor

Buckby Is An Author and Researcher

Buckby is an author and a researcher. He wrote a book about his radicalisation in the BNP, and about far-right radicalisation generally.

It is here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Monster-of-Their-Own-Making/Jack-Buckby/9781642934243

He is also a Research Associate at the Frontier Centre for Public Policy.

https://fcpp.org/authors/jack-buckby/

This is backed up by many Canadian newspapers who refer to him as a frontier centre research associate. Many such examples of this, one example is the Hamilton Spectator:

https://www.thespec.com/opinion/contributors/2019/10/10/clean-timely-brexit-would-be-good-for-britain-and-canada.html (see the bottom)

This entire page focuses on what Buckby did in the past. None of it covers what he does and is today. It is, therefore, misleading.

Buckby is a former far-right activist. This must be acknowledged and his past is detailed. But wiping out anything else he has done is misleading

Buckby is an author and research associate. These are both verifiable facts, with reliable sources. An anonymous user with a long history on this page of attempting to erase any of Buckby's work that doesn't involve far-right activism keeps removing these facts, and deeming the sources "unreliable", and accusing me of vandalizing the page. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Wikipedia rules state that you should not immediately accuse others of vandalism. I am hesitant to say the same back, but I quite easily could.

This page should reflect the fact that Buckby is an author, research associate, and former far-right activists. These are sourced and demonstrably true.

If this page doesn't include that information, then it might as well call him a Nazi, which is just as misleading (and inaccurate) as the page currently is.