Talk:Tower of David

Song of Songs

I should mention that the Tower of David is mentioned in a book written in the 10th century b.c. called 'Song of Songs' or 'Song of Solomon'. It appears that it may be impossible for it to be first built in the first or second century a.d. if it were mentioned in a book written 1000 years earlier. Professorstein (talk) 10:08, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

I realize my reply is somewhat late, but nonetheless:

What makes you think that this is the same tower the "Song of Songs" is talking about? And what makes you think the Song of Songs was written in the 10th century B.C.? --93.212.241.30 (talk) 22:44, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

The article says that the Byzantines named the after the tower in the Song of Songs, which is much more plausible. Zero^talk 00:45, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

The name

This article has two contradictory explanations, differing by around 1000 years, for how the name "Tower of David" came about. Zero^talk 13:20, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Reverted image

I reverted this edit because 1) The daytime picture is stunning, and 2) The nighttime picture is of low pixel quality. Yoninah (talk) 19:17, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

"dubious – discuss"

"As evidenced by the archaeological discovery of the Broad Wall, King Hezekiah was the first to specifically fortify this area."

If this is "evidenced", surely we may expect some kind of evidence that will support this statement. Please add reliable sources, or delete this claim. --93.212.241.30 (talk) 22:57, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

There are two proper sources listed at the end of the paragraph both which explain that the Broad walls founding and structure illustrate that fortifications began in the area known as the "Western Hill" in the King Hezekiah time period. It further explains that the remains of the wall today and the Citadel fortifications are more removed due to the walls destruction, changes in the cities structure, and further building. From the archaeological findings of what fortifications of the wall still exist, the Broad wall when originally built would have been within the vicinity of the Citadel fortifications as they stand today. 108.58.240.242 (talk) 21:49, 22 August 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.58.240.242 (talk)

No real info until Mamluk period, nothing at all on archaeology. Very, very poor.

Other than the Herodian towers, everything else is a mess all the way until the Mamluks. No plausible historical outline for the apparition and evolution of a citadel here (nothing useful about any structures during the Kingdom of Judah, Hasmoneans, Herod other than the towers -3 unconnected residential towers are not a citadel-, Romans after 70 CE, Byzantines, in part later too). Who built one first? What does "destruction" mean? (We have 3 mentioned in a row, w/o a word about any re-construction in between). What happened to the citadel when Ayyubid sultan Al-Mu'azzam 'Isa demolished the city walls in 1219? Nothing makes sense.

Once ARCHAEOLOGY is brought in (was it Nachman Avigad and/or Hillel Geva? Any new digs since?), we start making sense, but not before that. 4th- and 5th-hand info is useless, just the blabla of bored old tour guides. Arminden (talk) 12:22, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

No findings of, not even theoretical connection to, Hezekiah's wall

Removed what looks like somebody's "own research", based on poor source and ignoring/misunderstanding even the site plans from the quoted source.

"As evidenced by the archaeological discovery of the Broad Wall, King Hezekiah was the first to fortify this area."
-Why not: The "Broad Wall" section excavated in the Jewish Qtr is far to the W of the Citadel. It is no proof whatsoever that Hez. fortified "this area". The W Hill is quite vast, the Citadel just a section of it.

Quoted source: "Broad Wall - Jerusalem 101; see maps."
-Not valid: Miserably poor source ("A Bible Teaching Ministry of Galyn Wiemers" - Galyn WHO?), which nevertheless uses good area plans from academic sources, both of which show that Hezekiah's "broad wall" stopped very far to the west of the Mamluk citadel & Jaffa Gate. So "see maps" and convince yourselves that they prove the Citadel area was NOT included by Hezekiah.

-"The city's fortifications demonstrate that by the late eighth century the city had expanded to include the hill to the west of the Temple Mount...... etc., etc.
-Irrelevant: see above: Hezekiah's wall never reached so far west. No connection to our topic whatsoever.
Please, pay more attention when you edit, especially when it borders on "own research", i.e.: you cannot find a good source stating PRECISELY what you wish to prove. Arminden (talk) 17:19, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Name in Arabic

It seems the Arabic name in this article is a literal translation to the English name. But that's not what's it called in Arabic. In Arabic it's called (برج القلعة), the Castle's Tower. --Crazyketchupguy (talk) 16:18, 12 October 2020 (UTC)