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Q: Why is the Nazi Party labeled a far-right party? They called themselves socialists, so should they be left-wing?

A: Almost all historical and present-day academic literature places the Nazi Party on the far-right of the traditional left-right spectrum, which in turn is the most common short-form classification used in political science. The Nazis themselves attacked both left-wing and traditional right-wing politicians and movements in Germany as being traitors to Germany. While the Nazi regime's economic policies are very different from those of present-day right-wing parties that adhere to classical liberal or neoliberal positions (which advocate, e.g., a highly deregulated, privatized economic environment), Nazi economic policy was typical of the early to mid twentieth century far-right, and indeed most political currents of the time, in that it embraced interventionist economics. The Nazi Party absorbed the far-right reactionary monarchist and nationalist German National People's Party into its membership in 1933. The Nazi Party also held good relations with openly right-wing political movements in Europe, such as the Spanish Confederation of the Autonomous Right, whose leader Gil-Robles was a guest at the 1933 Nazi Party Nuremberg rally and sought to model his movement upon the Nazi Party.

Q: If socialism is mainly left-wing and they called themselves socialists in their name, why is this being ignored?

A: Historically several right-wing figures used the term "socialism" to mean something very different from what would be understood by traditional left-wing socialism, referring simply to the broader concept of collectivism and anti-individualism. The prominent French reactionary monarchist Charles Maurras famously said "a socialism liberated from the democratic and cosmopolitan element fits nationalism well as a well made glove fits a beautiful hand". Maurras' views influenced fascism. Oswald Spengler's ideal of "Prussian Socialism" directly influenced Nazism, and Spengler promoted it as a member of the far-right Conservative Revolutionary movement.

Q: Were the Nazis actually a capitalist movement?

A: The answer depends on the context and definition of capitalism. Ideologically, Hitler in private was just as opposed to the ethos of capitalism as he was in public as a politician; he regarded the capitalist ethos as being self-centred individualism that was incompatible with nationalism. Furthermore, in both public and private Hitler regarded capitalism as being created by the Jews for their own interests. The Nazis in public and in private held contempt for bourgeois culture in liberal capitalist societies - as they associated such bourgeois culture with a cosmopolitan, liberal, and decadent lifestyle that was incompatible with the Nazis' ideal of a nationalist martial ethic of disciplined soldiers who were collectively committed to the Fatherland above any individual interest. So ideologically, Nazism held strong antipathy to capitalism. However at the same time Hitler and the Nazis endorsed private property and private enterprise and did not challenge the market economy, which was important to their accrual of power because it avoided antagonizing industrialists and aristocrats. The Nazis themselves claimed that "true socialism" did not involve the Marxian opposition to private property. But if capitalism is defined in a minimum way as involving the support of the existence of private property, private enterprise and a market economy, then from that minimum definition, the Nazis could be considered as endorsing a capitalist economy.

Q: The proper English name for the Nazi Party is the National Socialist German Workers Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP). "Nazi" is a slang term, so why does the article not use the proper name?

A: Because English Wikipedia uses the common name for things, and the common name for the NSDAP in English is the "Nazi Party".

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The line "far-right" should be amended to read "far-left". The Nazi party were socialists. 209.171.88.37 (talk) 06:21, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not done. The Nazis hated socialists. The Nazis are widely described as far right in scholarly works, like all fascists. Binksternet (talk) 07:51, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It could, however, be noted that the Nazis claimed to be socialist in public because it would help with their popularity with the workers. Hitler chose to rename the German Worker's Party into the National Socialist German Worker's Party as he wanted to bring across the point that "hey we'll treat everyone equally but we'll only do that for GERMANS". Not tryna push anything, just suggesting R34p3r2006 (talk) 12:38, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that is mostly true. When the party name change happened it was Hitler who pushed to add "Socialist" to the name, overt he objections of Drexler and others, but its purpose was to help attract people on the edges of the German Socialist Party (DSP) to come over to the Nazis. When the party issued itsNational Socialist Program (the "25 Points"), several of them were socialist in nature, but the party never did anything to put them into effect after it "seized" power, even though those points remained on the program (which was frozen and never changed). Certainly there was a wing of the party -- the Strasser wing -- which believed in those socialist precepts, and the SA under Ernst Rohm kept pushing for a "second revolution" after Hitler came to power, and that was to be (at least in part) a socialist revolution, but Hitler sidelined the Strassers early on, and eventually got rid of them and crushed the SA in the Night of the Long Knives. The socialist aspect of Nazism was never serious to Hitler, just a propaganda point, and after the Purge, it was never a part of Nazism.

So, no, despite their name, the Nazis were not socialists. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:59, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Can the categories of Antisemitism and Ethnic nationalism be added in the bottom? They're very tied to Nazi ideology and the party, and I'm surprised they're both not there yet. Josharaujo1115 (talk) 19:28, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No need to add an edit request before you have agreement for the change. What do you mean by add to the bottom? TFD (talk) 19:46, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"the Jews"

Jews are referred to as "the Jews" three times in this article, without any indication that this is, in fact, antisemitic framing. Referring to Jewish people as "the Jews" is offensive. (No one speaks of "the Christians".) In deference to the strict editing policies of this page, I haven't made any changes, but I ask that an editor please fix this problem. Shrinkydink07 (talk) 18:07, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I would suggest to change an error that states the Nazi political party as a far-right organization. The party's values have nothing to do with the far right but of the left. Toffeecot (talk) 21:26, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Dylsss^{(talk • contribs)} 21:54, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Change “ The Nazi Party, officially the National Socialist German Workers' Party, was a far-right political party in Germany that was active between 1920 and 1945, that created and supported the ideology of Nazism. Its precursor, the German Workers' Party, existed from 1919 to 1920.

Correction The Nazi Party, officially the National Socialist German Workers' Party, was a far-left political party in Germany that was active between 1920 and 1945, that created and supported the ideology of Nazism. Its precursor, the German Workers' Party, existed from 1919 to 1920. Mwpayne01 (talk) 02:22, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Nazi party was far left politically. President Paul von Hindenburg (1847–1934) was considered right-wing politically. These fact were told to me by my German relatives who were alive in Germany during World War 2 and my French relatives to include my mother who were alive during World War 2. The Nazi part was never politically right-winged. In fact, many right-wing conservative Germans were imprisoned by the Nazi’s after the Nazi government take over in early 1933.

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Nihlus 02:27, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]