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President-elect

It's not official that Biden wins the election. He is only projected to win by the mainstream media. 2604:3D08:4E7F:F7E0:3519:78F6:8BB0:2F68 (talk) 18:35, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state, not necessarily what is official or legal, sorry. Further comment about ITN posting should be made at WP:ITNC or WP:ERRORS. 331dot (talk) 18:36, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The current wording is correct. It represents the clear consensus of all reliable sources. Onceinawhile (talk) 19:01, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The wording of the front page does not reflect the wording of the Wikipedia article:

The front page states: "Joe Biden (pictured) wins the United States presidential election."

The wikipedia article states: "All major news outlets projecting the race have projected that Biden has won the election, including ABC News, the Associated Press, Business Insider, CNN, Decision Desk HQ, Fox News, MSNBC, NBC News, The New York Times, Reuters, and Vox.[5] Counting continues to determine the final results. "

and

"Joe Biden, the presumptive winner of the 2020 presidential election, pending the formal voting by the Electoral College in mid-December, is scheduled to be inaugurated on January 20, 2021"

@Onceinawhile: @331dot: If you really believe that's what the sources say, edit the appropriate article and use that wording. The text in the front page should accurately reflect what was redacted in the article. The front page should be subject to MORE stringent requirements than the article not less.— Preceding unsigned comment added by TZubiri (talk • contribs) --TZubiri (talk) 23:19, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

TZubiri I stand by and reiterate my statement above. The quotes you provide only support the statement. If you disagree with what the reliable sources are saying, you will need to take that up with them. 331dot (talk) 23:18, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
331dot I highlighted the caveats used in the article by bolding them in the quotes above. The front page does not use any such qualifiers. The ITN committee should respect this purposeful, contended, and deliberated wording by the article's editors.--TZubiri (talk) 23:23, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
331dot. The sources does not state that "Biden wins". In the news is misleading to insist that "Biden wins the election". 2604:3D08:4E7F:F7E0:3519:78F6:8BB0:2F68 (talk) 23:30, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Furthermore, this page is for discussing the operation of ITN, not discussions like this. Please use the pages I suggest above to pursue your viewpoint on this. Thank you. 331dot (talk) 23:19, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
TZubiriThere is no "ITN committee". Just editors helping out. Please feel free to offer your views on this at WP:ITNC. 331dot (talk) 23:25, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I took a look at the link you provided, take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#November_7 . The proposed and voted blurb reads:

"Joe Biden is projected as President-elect of the United States amid ongoing legal challenges." All of the alternative blurbs have a caveat. --TZubiri (talk) 23:32, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We don't vote on a particular blurb, or vote at all for that matter. It is a discussion with additional ideas and proposals given. I will have no further comment on this page. Please go to WP:ITNC or WP:ERRORS to give your views. Thank you. 331dot (talk) 23:38, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can I just say that I appreciate using the image of Harris. Kudos to the admin(s) that chose that. Kingsif (talk) 09:01, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pedantic as it may be, it is accurate to say that Biden won the presidential election, because a presidential election was held, and Biden won it. It would technically not be accurate to say that he was "elected president", but the blurb has it right. Teemu08 (talk) 17:22, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Teemu08: Actually one is elected president by the electoral college not the general election, so he would be president-elect not president. The previously mentioned disctinction can be seen in reliable sources such as the Washington Post and USA today. As for those people saying the election isn't concluded until legal issues and recounts are settled, Wikipedia is not based on 'facts' but on what reliable sources claim; ergo, regardless of whatever may be true Wiki-guidelines constrain us to reflect what can be cited. Bgrus22 (talk) 02:54, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alert from WikiProject Current Events (Sister Project)

Hello. The Wikipedia:WikiProject Current events format is currently being updated. However, one new change is a section for "Current discussions". The Portal:Current events has debates all the time to determine if things are notable for the portal (international news) or if they are better suited for a place like 2020 in the United States. In the past, small 'edit wars' have taken place between editors over topics. This new section on the WikiProject is a new place where editors can discuss between each other and have an easy access to 'outside opinion' from other participates. Members in the Current Event WikiProject are welcome to invite other editors that have disagreements to start the discussion on the WikiProject. (Unlike RFC's, discussions about topics would be about 1 week or whenever the topic is no longer relevant from the WikiProject).

Thank you for reading. This is a sister project, so I wanted to include this message here. (Current Event WikiProject Coordinator) Elijahandskip (talk) 19:34, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

November 3 and 4 missing from archives

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/November_2020

I'm past caring at this point, but FYI if anyone does care --LaserLegs (talk) 15:26, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal: minor revision to crewed space exploration ITNR

Now that SpaceX Crew-1 have sucessfully launched, per NASA and SpaceX's own publicity, we are now entering a new era of routine astronaut journeys to low Earth orbit being conducted by commercial providers. I would like to suggest that something's described even by its own operators as routine should no longer qualify for ITNR. While something being ITNR doesn't mean we necessarily post it since it still requires to meet quality standards and someone to actually nominate it, I would suggest that the fact we don't post routine Soyuz launches reflects the routineness of crewed launches these days. As such, I would like to propose changing from the current wordings of "the launch of crewed orbital spaceflights" to

  • The first and last launches of any type of spacecraft in crewed orbital spaceflights.
  • The first crewed docking to an orbital space station by any type of spacecraft.
    • The first re-launch of an existing type of spacecraft in crewed orbital spaceflights after an extended hiatus (i.e. 5 years).

The other space exploration criteria to remain unchanged:

  • The first and last launches of any type of rocket
  • Launch failures where sufficient details are available to update the article
  • A country conducting its first successful indigenous orbital launch
  • The launch of space stations or major components thereof
  • Arrival of spacecraft (to lunar orbit and beyond) at their destinations

The above proposal will in effect remove as ITNR future Crewed Dragon & Soyuz MS flights from ITNR (until the last one), but keep as ITNR the first crewed Starliner (and SpaceShipTwo etc.) orbital spaceflight and/or docking with the ISS. -- KTC (talk) 17:27, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support the above modifications. We've already not been paying any attention to the routine Soyuz launches for years; I honestly can't remember the last time we posted a Soyuz launch, they happen several times a year. This would reflect existing practice and not make any real changes to what we have been doing. I would like to see language put in there to the effect of "other launches may be posted to ITN so long as there is consensus they are newsworthy enough on their own", since people look at being missing from ITNR as some kind of evidence that an event may never be posted, and we should not do that. But that's a more general problem with ITNR (that somehow being missing from ITNR means it can never be posted) and really, the proposed changes are solid and reflect existing practice. --Jayron32 19:01, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Support with additional modification to post a re-launch of an existing spacecraft if its been a long pause. This gives notability to something like a shuttle or soyuz if they suffer an accident, and they are later returned to service. 104.243.98.96 (talk) 19:09, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the reason why Soyuz don't get posted is because nobody bothers to update those articles. There was a time when all Soyuz were posted, but then people started getting booted off this site so nobody was left to update them. Currently the rate of SpaceX crewed launches is expected to be JUST 2-3 per year. For an entire flashy subject like manned spaceflight it gets plenty fo news coverage. If this becomes truly mundane, people will stop updating these articles so they will be rejected like Soyuz ones currently are. For the next few years, there won't be more than 4 non-Soyuz space launches every year, and there are 4 ITNRs for horseracing and that gets far fewer news coverage. 2601:602:9200:1310:E8C8:76F2:1FA3:A77C (talk) 20:25, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The above comment has it right re: Soyuz. It's not the it has become routine; it's because the articles haven't been up to Main Page quality. I would be willing to change ITNR criteria for subjects that get TOO MUCH coverage at ITN. Spaceflight is not one of those.130.233.213.199 (talk) 06:55, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. As noted, some space launches are not posted because no one updates the article, not because they are too routine. ITNR is simply a guide as to what topics are presumed notable, people still have to do the work to make updates to articles, and if they don't, they don't get posted. That's all that's happening here. 331dot (talk) 10:15, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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