Talk:IPhone

Move

Move the Linksys phone back NOW. Apple cannot call their cell phone the iPhone because Cisco has the trademark. EricJosepi 18:22, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

You can find that aricle here: iPhone (Linksys), and the trademark issues are not our concern. It is reasonable to assume that the vast majority of people looking for an article on iPhone are looking for the Apple product. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 18:29, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm with ZimZalaBim on this, I don't think even a fraction of people looking for the iPhone will be looking for the Linksys one. Havok (T/C/e/c) 18:45, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Apple did call it iPhone, you can't undo that, Eric, Sorry.-9.January 2007, Anonymus

I agree, the vast majority of users searching for iPhone will be looking for Apple's product.Barang 22:01, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Second ZimZalaBim. iPhone for the Apple product and iPhone (Linksys) for the other. At worst, a disambig, but most everyone will be thinking of the Apple product. Me mi mo 18:52, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

SO when the C&D comes down and I'm right can we move it back? EricJosepi 19:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

You honestly think they haven't already worked this out?? --ZimZalaBim (talk) 19:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Already worked out agreement with Cisco over use of trademark.[1] CapYoda 19:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

No, not when the cease & desist comes down. If Apple stops using the name, and the general public stops using the name, then it may be reasonable to rename the article. See WP:NAME: Generally, article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature. Wikipedia article naming is not the milieu for arbitrating trademark infringements. schi ^talk 19:10, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

There will be no C&D. See Cisco's statement. -- Kesh 00:31, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Cisco is indeed suing to protect their trademark.[2] But I think it's still premature to move the article. MFNickster 23:30, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd say put this at Apple iPhone, like we do when two different companies make products with the same name. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 23:19, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

There's at least two other iPhones out there, see [3]. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 01:56, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Psounds like notable software too, hundreds of thousands of downloads, an article in wired, a minor war with IRC operators. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 02:01, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

iPhone release features Wikipedia screenshot

Apple's iPhone video on its website features an iPhone bookmarked for Wikipedia, and a screenshot of the iPod article. Very cool. - Nunh-huh 19:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Nice. :) Havok (T/C/e/c) 19:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC) - oops, on reviewing, the link is to the iPod article. But still cool. :) - Nunh-huh 19:51, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

That's nice of them to give us a shoutout. Pacific Coast Highway ^{{talk • contribs}} 23:23, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

And here it is: Image:Wikipedia on IPhone.jpg - Nunh-huh 20:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, fair use images only in the article namespace, not in talk pages. -- ReyBrujo 20:26, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

How absurd. - Nunh-huh 20:28, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Maybe we can fit it into the article? Sfacets 20:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, of course we could, but the idea was to present it here first for discussion. That's what talk pages are for. There's an actual rule that fair use images are not for user pages; if there's an actual rule against placing such images on talk pages, it's absurd, because presenting an image to be discussed is an actual fair use. If it's decided to use the image in the article, we might want to photoshop the "dot" on it out (it shows the location of the imaginary finger on the touchscreen, and I doubt that it appears on the actual screen of the iPhone). - Nunh-huh 20:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

It could be cropped to remove the title, but photoshopping out the dot would be overkill, the dot doesn't distract from the overall image. When the article gets a little longer (ie there is more space available) we could insert a modified version Sfacets 22:06, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Why are some people so sensitive to fair use and copyright? It's not like Wikipedia is profiting from the image being on either the article or the talk page. 139.168.56.35 02:35, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

After a while people becaome rule nazis. That or the bureaucracy makes them go nuts. Whatever comes first. ; ) Pacific Coast Highway ^{{talk • contribs}} 04:44, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Move/redirect of iPhone

I see that Roguegeek moved and redirected the iPhone article to Apple iPhone, saying[4] "redirected to proper naming". How is "Apple iPhone" more proper than "iPhone"? Other Apple products, like the iPod, MacBook, and AirPort, aren't so-named, and I think iPhone is more compliant with WP:NAME, which says, "Generally, article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize". schi ^talk 19:54, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

It's name is iPhone, not Apple iPhone. Just as the Wii isn't Nintendo Wii. Havok (T/C/e/c) 19:57, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Should be moved back. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 20:01, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I've asked an admin to help us. Havok (T/C/e/c) 20:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it should be moved back too, good call on getting an admin's attention. This page is gonna get busy pretty quick. fintler 20:04, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

You guys should check out every single article on a product here. It's a Honda Accord and not just Accord. It's a Sony Ericsson S710a and not the S710a. And so on, and so on. Everything has the manufacturer first. This one with iPhone will especially have that considering iPhone is a name for several products. The iPhone page will more than likely turn into a disambiguous page. You guys should also check out naming conventions and styles at WP:MOS. Yes, please get an admin over here to check this out and set this straight. Roguegeek (talk) 20:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

It's still iPod, iBook Wii, PlayStation, Xbox. Havok (T/C/e/c) 20:10, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Uh, maybe you should check out every such article first, since you clearly haven't! For example, why is the Mini not at BMC Mini? The answer is that the MoS suggests using a title that will most useful for searching and linking. All these guidelines do is suggest things that are rather common sense. There are rather obvious reasons, for example, that your examples have their respective titles, which have nothing to do with obeying your made-up rule. If you can point out a specific passage of the MoS that supports your argument, please do so. --67.172.164.179 22:41, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

There, it's back to iPhone again. Havok (T/C/e/c) 20:15, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I have fully protected Apple iPhone as a redirect. You see, if you check the history section of both articles, you will notice that anonymous contributed to both articles. For the sake of not losing their contributions, I chose one and left it open. As you can imagine, we can't have two articles talking about the same. At a later date we will try to make a history merge between both articles, but it will be pretty hard because this article already has many, many deleted revisions. You can discuss later where to put the article, for now, accept contributions from everyone in this article. -- ReyBrujo 20:19, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, have you noticed that the talk page is still at Apple iPhone? :( -- ReyBrujo 20:21, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

The name on Apple's site reads "iPhone". Since TV is pronounced "Apple Tee Vee", this could be read as "Apple Eye Phone". Lowmagnet 04:11, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Let's keep the article here until everything is settled down (I am guessing a week more of gossips and stuff), and then you can request a move to see if there is consensus to actually do it. -- ReyBrujo 04:25, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

If you read the page www.apple.com/appletv/ you will see that they always call the product "Apple TV" while on iPhone located at www.apple.com/iphone/ they call it iPhone, not Apple iPhone. Not once on the product page do they say "Apple iPhone", only "iPhone". Havok (T/C/e/c) 16:00, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

That's curious! In the keynote, Jobs had a slide up with the following names: Mac, iPod, iPhone, and TV. No iPhone in sight. I think the limited use of iPhone on the webpage may be an oversight. Who knows? We should wait and see like Rey says. --67.172.164.179 18:24, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Why does this page come up, not the Linksys iPhone? It's Cisco's trademark, and I'm sure the courts will agree. At least go to a disambiguation page.

Gmaps

is the ability to do Google Maps, etc, really a special feature due to a special agreement with Google? I presumed it was just part of the normal web browsing capabilities, and that it can also do MapQuest or Yahoo or any online service (but they just chose to feature Google). --ZimZalaBim (talk) 20:48, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind - see now they have a dedicate Gmaps application built in. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 20:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I changed the wording, but could be better... Sfacets 20:52, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

GPS

I don't think it has GPS. someone confirm and edit the page —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.98.89.171 (talk • contribs).

The presentation suggested that it has some sort of location awareness, but I think that if it had GPS, Jobs would have explicitly said GP-freakin-S. I speculate they may be using an API that Cingular has that offers rough radio triangulation from cell towers. It's accurate to within a few hundred feet instead of a couple feet like GPS, but cheaper to implement in hardware, if I understand correctly. I put this speculation here not because it belongs in the article, but because it might help avoid a rash of helpful "IT HAS GPSSSS!!!11!!eleven!" edits to the main article. Official word from Apple shouldn't be far behind, I'm certain this is something they'll get a lot of questions about. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 22:15, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I put it in with a citation from MSNBC. — ceejayoz ^talk 15:26, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I believe that when they talk about location awareness they refer to the fact that it senses when you are holding it to your ear (like a phone) and turns off the screen to save power and prevent accidental botton press with your cheek. Biglig 17:51, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Nowhere in the keynote did Steve say anything about GPS capabilities, and MSNBC seems to be the only one reporting that it does (Microsoft anyone?) I have made changes accordingly. Sfacets 18:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

To be fair, the MSNBC source is actually from AP. CNN ran basically the same article off of AP. My personal impression is the same as others: I think AP's reporter mistook the google map demonstrations for GPS. 65.220.90.243 20:24, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

The reason I thought there might be location awareness was that the Keynote had him demonstrating Google Maps, and there was an off-the-cuff mention on the live keynote feed about it knowing where he was because it had the Moscone center already set. A friend re-watched the video of the presentation last night, and it appears to have been bookmarked, so it's unlikely that it has anything like GPS or triangulation. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 21:33, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

OS X, not Mac OS X

it's operation system was never called "Mac OS X" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.178.142.237 (talk • contribs).

It's been called "Mac OS" ever since Mac OS 8. bCube(talk,contribs); 00:22, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, they never did say it ran Mac OS X. It runs OS X (since Mac is their computer line, one assumes that OS X is distinct from Mac OS X, which is for computers). While ambiguous for the moment, it seems safe to assume that the use of "OS X" rather than "Mac OS X" is deliberate- particularly since it is extremely unlikely that they managed to get the full Mac OS X implemented on this tiny, tiny device. Does anyone actually believe an intel core 2 duo lives in there? I will make the change in the article. Danny Pi 05:17, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

iPhone Rumor Mill

Before it was annnouced the iphone was one of those apple rumors that wouldnt go away esp the last 4 months i think the history and big thing we all know it was on the internet deserves its own section in the "iPhone Article" - QACJared

Might or might not be appropriate to include in the article. If someone wants to give it a shot, there is info at User:Schi/iPhone about the predictions, etc. schi ^talk 22:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Only notable, IMO, if a non-trivial news source gave mention of the rampant rumors. Was there, by chance, a NYTimes or CNet article specifically about the rumors? --ZimZalaBim (talk) 23:26, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I bet there might be. Most news articles about the product - both today and earlier - have at least mentioned the rumors, or how hotly anticipated it is. I just found this January 2006 BusinesWeek more generally about the Apple rumor mill. I'll look some more. schi ^talk 23:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6244705.stm Lewismistreated 12:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Meaningless?

What on earth does this mean (under the 'specifications')? iPod portion features Cover Flow interface and 3-D effects Please delineate it there properly! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.12.137.58 (talk) 22:16, 9 January 2007 (UTC).

Beyond 3G? Phone is not even 3G!

The iPhone is simply a 2G (or 2.5G due to EDGE) phone with Wi-fi (802.11b/g[[5]]). Why say it's "Beyond 3G"? The definition given for "Beyond 3G" in the article is for data rates of 100Mbps or more. 802.11g goes up to 54mbps only. Marcosleal 23:43, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't know exactly, but Jobs mentions in the keynote that they "plan to make 3G phones and all sorts of amazing things in the future" (50min20sec on the Keynote stream). Also, if the WiFi is Pre-N, then that could possibly reach 100mbps speeds. I've heard some stuff about a Data standard that Cingular is rolling out that's supposedto be way faster than EDGE too, but I don't know much about that. 24.184.116.156 03:18, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

That would be HSDPA, most likely. However, until such features are added to the iPhone, it's still only a 2.5G phone. -- Kesh 03:33, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Slow down!

Folks, remember: The World Will Not End Tomorrow. We're not here to score points, or scoop each other. Slow down, take your time and fact-check before making an edit. I'm as excited about this as anyone else, but we want to make sure we're putting out a good article, instead of a lot of random edits. -- Kesh 00:36, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Fluctuation

Hey, I'm trying to read this article and it keeps changing every second! 205.174.22.25 00:51, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a bit crazy. See my post above yours. Folks need to slow down and just let the facts settle rather than posting changes willy-nilly. -- Kesh 01:50, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Would it be same to say that those changes make a good news article but a bad encyclopedia entry? :) Sfacets 22:50, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Safari Picture

The picture with the iphone using safari is squashed. If someone could fix the picture/ un-squash it that would be helpful, as I do not know how to do it. -User:Musicaldemon on January 9th, 2007 at 9:50 P.M.

Lead-in

The whole lead-in paragraph needs rewritten. It's crammed with way too many buzzwords, information that belongs in the Specifications section and just generally is difficult to read. Also, the article needs to stick to announced features and capabilities, not speculation. I admire Wikipedians' fervor to add information, but the article is a bit of a mess right now. -- Kesh 04:35, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I think we can worry about that for the moment until details/specifics settle down. I mean, for an intro to the complete 7 hour history of the official iphone, there really is no need to jump on the change.WasAPasserBy 05:39, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Availability in Canada

The article writes that it will be available in Canada in June. I am pretty sure there was no mention of this in the keynote, or did I miss something? 70.80.66.195 04:53, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Lock This Page

Already had to cut out "Mike Jones", more vandalism expected. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by KevinCLovesU (talk • contribs) 06:16, 10 January 2007 (UTC).

Two Batteries?

i read somewhere (i think) that the iphone would include two batteries. one for the mp3 and one for the phone. im not sure if this is correct and how they would manage to fit it into the phone. could someone please confirm or deny this please?

This was from a early rumor site, not from fact. I'd have to watch it again, but I think that Kevin from Digg said it, I'd have to rewatch, but regardless, its not mentioned under tech specs http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/specs.html, so it shouldn't be mentioned.

Does anyone have any info on what the battery specs are beyond the capacity? Are they the same kind used in iPods?, are they replaceable..? Sfacets 22:52, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Good job editors

Good job editors! I'll look on the Apple site for the pic that is 'squashed' here and see if I can do something. I think I'm gonna have to break my Sprint contract for this baby! Hoooo-Yeah! - Fairness And Accuracy For All 08:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Update: I just uploaded a new pic of the iPhone with Safari, and chose the 'Macintosh Software' licensing, but that part didn't show up. - Fairness And Accuracy For All 08:29, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

fair use replacements

I've noticed the disputes that had flared up over the fair use of the promotional images, and I think this would be the best place to discuss the issue more broadly. There are already some images on Flickr posted with free licenses[6] (some legitimately, others not), so I guess the question is, "Do any of them 'adequately give the same information' according to the fair use criteria?" Dancter 08:52, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

iPhone disambiguation proposal

iPhone should be a redirect to iPhone (disambiguation) page or Linksys iPhone. I fail to see why wikipedia should endorse trademark violations by linking iPhone to a product that infringes on Cisco's trademark at the time of Steve Job's announcement. Kommodorekerz 10:06, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Apple has been in talks with Cisco about the trademark for a while now, and both companies expect a deal to be reached very soon 71.251.184.16 10:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

That doesn't change the fact that it was an infringement at the time. Kommodorekerz 13:06, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Does not matter, WP:NAME is clear on this. As most people who will go to iPhone will be looking for information on the Apple cellphone, Wikipedia shouldn't care if it infringes on the Cisco trademark or not. Havok (T/C/e/c) 14:59, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Apparently not THAT soon... http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/01/10/D8MIN3LO0.html Cisco is suing Apple.

SUPER UMTS / 3G

According to Apple Italy, the iphone will be released with 3G & Super UMTS when released in Europe. Dont know if anybody else can confirm this but personaly I think the iphone is already out of date with its current features, most phone in Europe recently released have Super UMTS, wifi ect. Check out the HTC TyTN which is already 6 months old and has all the iphones features and alot more (apart from 8GB memory).

Widgets definition

In the keynote, Jobs showed only two applications he called widgets: Weather and Stocks. The other applications being referred to in this article as "widgets" seem more like full fledged "applications" on the phone. Are we using the correct terminology here to call all of "SMS, Calendar, Photos, Camera, Calculator, Stocks, Maps, Weather, Notes, and Clock." as Widgets? Mike Koss 11:15, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree, and changed the text accordingly. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 12:34, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

"Specifications"

I'm not sure how to write for this section without being redundant with either the infobox or with the Features section. What's in there now seems like an arbitrary restatement of features in odd priority and capitalization. RVJ 11:56, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Question re: Third-party Dashboard Widgets

Under "Third-Party Development", The article reads:

Apple has announced that the iPhone will allow the execution of Dashboard widgets.

Apple has said that the iPhone runs "widgets," certainly, but does it run the same widgets as MacOS X Dashboard, and can third-party developers actually load them onto phone without Apple's permission?

Is there any source for the statement in the article? Can we confirm this? (I can find speculation here[7], but that's about it.)

If there's no source for this statement, I'm going to remove it, or edit it to say the official status is uncertain. emk (talk) 12:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

its a bit of a tough one. Since widgets are HTML/CSS/Javascript, they may do the same thing as with Tiger to let you load them. However, Cocoa Dashboard widgets is where it gets funny because while Steve Jobs officially said the iphone uses Cocoa at the keynote, he never said if dashboard will. But I agree with EMK I guess, I assumed, possibly wrongly before that third party would be supported. I believe we should mention Widgets under the development section though still, because it is very likely they will be also third party. But maybe keep it how it was changed now. Auzy 12:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm really hoping that the iPhone supports third-party widgets, or even better, that it can sync widgets with Leopard (and thus work with Dashcode, etc). I'm not at all optimistic about Cocoa widgets, because that would essentially open the phone up to full programmability. But so far, no official word on third-party widgets, Cocoa or otherwise. Maybe it's worth bugging Apple Developer Services, to see if we can get a straight answer? emk (talk) 14:39, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

speakers

somebody should post about where the speakers are Bobguy89 13:24, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Vibrate?

Will this phone have a vibrate feature? gujamin 14:08, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I think that's assumed in cell phones these days unless specifically stated otherwise. — ceejayoz ^talk 15:24, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I doubt it would... it would cause havoc to the sensors otherwise... Sfacets 22:45, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

It will have vibrate. The sensors will turn off briefly as iPhone receives a call when vibrate is switched on. Obviously nothing can be put on this site until Apple announces more specs making it officialSjenkins7000 22:50, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

why put microsoft iphone

i was shocked to see someone had vandalised the page to say microsoft iphonel; perhaps we should lock this page to apple fans only so that microsoft lovers can stick with their s*it products? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.167.37.37 (talk • contribs)

Not very constructive. An considering how many people actually watch this page, vandalism isn't actually a problem. Havok (T/C/e/c) 14:34, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

announced vs future product tag

This is an officially announced product, whose specs and details have been published by the manufacturer. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 15:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

So? You created {{announced product}} as being distinct from {{future product}} basically so you could put it on this page, right? Please, get your head around the fact that there's no fundamental difference between the two, and your template-baby does nothing to improve the informative accuracy of the article. Actually, it takes away from it. This article *does* contain speculative and preliminary information. You cannot possibly prove that the specifications and release dates announced by Apple in January are still going to apply in June. You can't! It's not possible! Never mind the fact that Apple is known for changing such things on a whim, what if something else comes up? The wording of {{future product}} is deliberate in covering the encyclopedic circumstances of the information that follows, and -- as has been the case on Wikipedia for the last year and a half -- is quite sufficient in denoting future products. -/- Warren 18:27, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Jossi, the two templates are distinct. It this template starts on this article, then it can spread to other articles as well which have been wrongly categorized. Sfacets 18:30, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

{{announced product}} reads to me like it describes a product that has been both announced and released. It doesn't make the distinction that's significant here, which is that the product has not been released yet. It also doesn't indicate another important and related distinction, which is that information here is preliminary.

The second sentence, "It may contain information released by the manufacturer, and other reliable sources only." is confusing to me - it seems to read that (1) there is a possibility that the article contains information released by the manufacturer and (2) there is a possibility that the article contains information by other reliable sources. This sounds like a non-disclaimer — that is what is expected of all articles. The inclusion of "only" seems to suggest that there could be other sources of information, beyond the manufacturer and reliable sources, meaning we might use non-reliable sources? I just don't understand this template. What's wrong with {{future product}}? It's "future" as in its forthcoming; the fact that it's officially announced doesn't change that. In fact, and as past AfDs and DRVs have shown, if it were not officially announced, there wouldn't even be an article about it. schi ^talk 18:51, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

The information here isn't preliminary, which makes all the difference. Sfacets 19:07, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

And how you know that? I kind of remember many, many products that were changed before launch. Until then, all information is preliminary for us. -- ReyBrujo 19:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Inserting the {{future product}} tag makes original research assumptions that the prosuct "might" change sometime in the future, whereas the {{announced product}} makes no assumptions, and bases everything on facts (sources) Sfacets 19:33, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, the announced product tag reads It may contain information released by the manufacturer, and other reliable sources only. so it indicates it may also contain original research. Both templates say the same, but one points the article may have original research, while the other points the article may have reliable sources. -- ReyBrujo 19:44, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Sfacets, it's really an "original research assumption" to assume that the product information might change by the time of release? It seems to me that it's just as much an "original research assumption" that the product won't change upon release. schi ^talk 19:50, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

But that's just it, the template doesn't make that assumption, or any assumption. Sfacets 19:56, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

If that's the case (which I don't believe is the case), then why would you insert the {{announced product}} tag at all? schi ^talk 20:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

The information in this article *is* preliminary. Several times through Apple's history, and even more often in the world outside Apple, the specs of a product have changed (sometimes drastically) between announcement and release, and the FCC may require changes to the iPhone before it hits stores. The {{future product}} template says that the article may contain preliminary or speculative information which may not reflect the final version of the product; this applies in this case. I just don't understand the point of the {{announced product}} template: when it says the article "may contain information released by the manufacturer, and other reliable sources only", is it warning the user that the article might not contain information about popular reaction to the product or references to it in media, or is it telling an editor that such information is prohibited? (There's no Wikipedia prohibition against information such as that.) I just don't understand whether the {{announced product}} template is warning what kind of information the article might contain or declaring what kind of information the article can contain. - Brian Kendig 19:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't matter, the template {{announced product}} doesn't make any assumptions on wether the product is preliminary or not, but rather focuses on what data is given by official sources. Sfacets 19:56, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand what you're saying. If {{announced product}} doesn't care whether the product is preliminary, are you saying it should go on all product pages whether the product is preliminary or released? And why the concern over "what data is given by official sources", given that verifiability is already a keystone of Wikipedia, and there may be useful information about products outside of what's given by "official sources"? You'll never see any negative qualities of a product mentioned by its official sources, for example. - Brian Kendig 20:22, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

• Someone had to say it: BECAUSE THE WORD OF JOBS IS ABSOLUTE AND PURE AND UNCORRUPTABLE! ALL HAIL JOBS!

C'mon, people. This is a future release, subject to change. From what I've seen, the trademark on iPhone hasn't even been officially settled (or wasn't, during the above BS). Standards on the device could change, price points could change, lawsuits could force features out. Just because Jobs said it doesn't make it 100% uncorruptable fact. 209.153.128.248 21:26, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

"Widescreen" video

Is 4:6 widescreen? I thought that term was reserved for 16:9 (or maybe 16:10?). cacophony ◄► 15:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

You are correct, it is not true wide screen as evident in the presentation the other day. --70.48.68.147 20:03, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

CPU type/speed?

Anyone know what type of CPU it uses or what speed? Is it the Intel XScale at 624 MHz? --70.48.68.147 20:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Apple hasn't said anything yet. Sloverlord 21:34, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Images that meet WPs requirements.

Flickr has this image and this image. I'm not sure about exactly which CC images are OK, but I think thes are OK. The current images are not OK. - Peregrine Fisher 20:27, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Noone responded when I commented on the issue earlier. I was even about to delete my comment. CC-BY-SA is definitely OK. To be extremely nitpicky, pretty much all the iPhone images on Flickr marked with free licenses have some possible copyright issues (the Apple logo, copyrighted imagery displayed on-screen, recognizable images of random people displayed in the background), but the photos themselves are freely licensed, and could be in principle be edited to be completely free. Dancter 20:47, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Can't we find any better free images? These are fine, for the moment, but no match for the earlier ones in terms of clarity and aesthetics Sfacets 21:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Go for it. Just as long as they're free use because, bottom line, free use images should ALWAYS replace fair use images. Roguegeek (talk) 21:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Image I uploaded listed for deletion

I resized and re-cropped the image of the iPhone displaying Safari and uploaded it last night. I 'thought' I used the license for 'Macintosh Software' but it didn't seem to note that with the upload. I just got a message that the image is listed for deletion. I don't know much about Wiki copyright and licensing requirements, so perhaps somone who does can do what is needed. - Thanks FAAFA (I want an iPhone NOW) 21:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

future product template

From David Pogue's hands-on:

"The phone won’t be available until June, so some of its software isn’t finished yet. As I tapped my way into obscure corners of the phone, Mr. Jobs pointed out a couple of spots where only a placeholder graphic was available."

"The refresh rate felt typical of a camera-phone to me, but Mr. Jobs said that it would be much smoother by the time the phone is done."

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/01/09/some-hands-on-time-with-the-iphone/

AlistairMcMillan 21:49, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, the iPhone is out but not available for purchase until June. So would you say that this is a 'future' product because people cannot get one now but some people at Apple have it. Or is it just semantics and technicalities that we like to enforce upon ourselves? Just wondering if a product needs to be available for purchase in order for it not to be a 'future' product. Protector of the Truth 23:08, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

File formats

At the moment the article only mentions that the iPhone can play Mp3's. Conceviably it can play everything (and more?) an iPod video can... of course this is only speculation unless we can find sources... Sfacets 22:13, 10 January 2007 (UTC)