Portal talk:Libertarianism

Possible image changes

There was some discussion atLibertarianism about changing the "coin" image in the icon and the banner image at this portal. It was hatted out as not relevant to that page. Perhaps we should have the discussion here. North8000 (talk) 16:19, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

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Prior discussion from Talk:Libertarianism starts here:

This is really not okay.

1. It's US-centric
2. It carries overtones of exclusively capitalist ideology, if not implied goldbuggery, which describes the bulk of libertarian history poorly
3. It's not very representative of the history or the origins of the term

My suggestion is a crop of Liberty Leading the People.

1. It's fairly inclusive and shows some effort at NPOV
2. It's a very iconic painting
3. It's very appropriate, given that libertarian is a cognate of the French libertaire and all schools of libertarianism have or at least claim Enlightenment roots

I'm very aware that it's a republican symbol, but given that it epitomizes social revolution in rebellion against domination and monarchism, I hardly think many anarchists would find it inappropriate. Finx (talk)

I like your idea and picture, but I can't see where the coin is being used, unless you mean that little icon.....even the coin just looks like a little gold disk at that size and I think the picture that you suggest would look like an ink spot. North8000 (talk) 01:40, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

I do mean the little coin but I think the very random header image on the portal also needs an update. For the tiny one, a cropping and removal of background would make it recognizable, think. Finx (talk) 02:12, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

The image on the coin is the "Angel of Victory", and therefore not an obvious symbol to use. But I do not see the Liberty painting as a good replacement, although it is better. TFD (talk) 02:40, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

I suppose sabot cat is out? Maybe sabot cat ensnared by an ouroboros-like self-consuming snake on the yellow gadsden flag... with a side of freedom fries? Pretty appropriate way to sum up this clusterfuck, IMO. Finx (talk) 02:48, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

I think that the US coin is a bad idea, but when it's so small that you can't see it it doesn't make much difference. I think that the Statue of Liberty is OK (It's sort of general, and a gift from France) but not US currency. And I think that your proposed picture is really cool. Maybe you can experiment to see if you can crop it (or one like it) and see if it can look like more than an inks spot at that tiny size. Even more perfect (and less likely to gather a few complaints) would be one like that but a bit less risque, if such exists. And that banner picture at the portal looks weird and sort of ugly. The cat is cool! Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 03:06, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

I was joking about the cat, because it would have the same NPOV problems as the coin, being a symbol of militant IWW-style unionism and anarchist syndicalism. That said, I'm open to ideas and offer to fix any image up in photoshop if (god willing) we can settle on something inclusive and appropriate. Finx (talk) 03:12, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

(added later) But it still looks cool!  :-) North8000 (talk) 23:03, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

There's also the Tarantino-esque hands-breaking-chains motif... minus the cowboy on horse, presumably. Finx (talk) 03:29, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

I don't care about getting rid of the gold coin. The current arms-wide image at least gives one a feel for freedom. Not sure if you want to keep the small image of Lady Liberty.

But the painting of liberty holding a French flag?? (Bastian of state socialism that lead attack on Libya?) If she was holding an American flag that would be just as bad.

I like it because it shows the hypocrisy of those who talk liberty (US politicians) while taking it away...

Now my preferred version would be an image of the top of the Declaration of Independence with the following in blow up "government...it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it." and then crop the image there. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 23:00, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

What about a red Phrygian cap without rosette with "Liberty" written along its lower edge? Please excuse this example at external commercial link. The cap is an Enlightenment call to Liberty in general and it is in use by the Left and the Right. It is as popular in America as in Europe. It is associated with revolution and reform; anarchism and limited or constrained states. It has no immediate economic association, and so represents neither capitalists nor anti-capitalists. Fifelfoo (talk) 00:26, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

An unfortunately French associated Phrygian cap lacking a rosette

Footnote error

Something is amiss with the display of footnotes on this page; they're over on the right-hand column, slightly overlapping the left-hand column, and the first one isn't numbered. Maybe it's partly hidden under one of the other boxes? Bookgrrl ^holler/lookee here 19:55, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Edited to add: woah, why are footnotes now displaying here in my comment???? Bookgrrl ^holler/lookee here 19:56, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

@Bookgrrl: I've fixed the footnotes on this talk page by adding a {{reflist talk}} further up. Without that, the software displays them at the bottom of the page. To fix the portal itself, for now I've added a "References" box, so that the software doesn't display them in a random location in the gaps between the boxes. But it is a common practice for portals to omit the references - see Wikipedia:Portal guidelines#In general - and I think this would be better. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:33, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

@John of Reading: Thanks :)

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Theres an RfC about whether to have 3rd parties candidates in the infobxo editors here. If you have a opinion, please go to [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.207.220.249 (talk) 22:55, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. North8000 (talk) 00:21, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

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Hi there. Is there a talk page, chat or something for Libertarians here on WP? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Piinkkii (talk • contribs) 20:01, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Politics/Libertarianism but it's inactive. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 02:22, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Right-libertarian bias in design

Hi! Right-libertarian bias is very apparent to me in the design of this portal, starting from the yellow-gold palette of coloring overall, but also including the coin as a logo. If it were a portal about right-libertarianism, this would be great design for it. Now, I realize portal re-design is quite low priority, and don't really have ideas for improving it to a left/right-leaning-neutral design at the moment, but I'm interested in hearing others' opinions and ideas. –Vipz (talk) 03:11, 31 October 2023 (UTC)