Talk:Big Five personality traits

Openness to experience and perseverance

The absence of a reference made me skeptical about this statement : "Conversely, those with low openness seek to gain fulfillment through perseverance ." How can you explain this ? One can seek creativity, or being inventive without perseverance ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.158.72.212 (talk) 18:31, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

I don't buy the Big Five approach, but what I think they are saying is "artists get satisfaction from splashing paint; accountants get satisfaction from making the numbers add up; inventors get satisfaction from flashes of brilliance; craftsmen get satisfaction from building and repairing" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.36.162 (talk) 22:55, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

clarify please

" Raymond Cattell retained the adjectives, and eliminated synonyms to reduce the total to 171.[9] He constructed a self-report instrument for the clusters of personality traits he found from the adjectives, which he called the Sixteen Personality Factor Questionnaire. Based on a subset of only 20 of the 36 dimensions that Cattell had originally discovered,"

i just get confused over this. he reduced the number to 171, then further reduced that to 16. then from where originate the 36 in the next sentence to be reduced to 20? i am missing here the link between the earlier mentioned 16 and the later 36.176.63.176.112 (talk) 21:13, 17 March 2017 (UTC).

and besides, the story of how a rather low number (5 traits) is supposed to be based on 4500 sounds like a rather ridiculous attempt to enhance the credibility of the resulting 5-trait system. with stress on riduculous. i cant help the feeling that this story doesnt really fit the encyclopedical style. 176.63.176.112 (talk) 21:21, 17 March 2017 (UTC).

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"Five Fold Reduction"?

"They reduced the lists of these traits (arbitrarily) by 5–10 fold and then used factor analysis to group the remaining traits (using data mostly based upon people's estimations, in self-report questionnaire and peer ratings) in order to find the underlying factors of personality.[7][8][9][10][11]"

I'm sorry, you can't reduce anything by more than 100%. Once you've taken it away once it's all gone.

Would somebody fix this please? I assume they mean "eighty or ninety percent," or something of the sort. As it stands, it's just plain stupid.

David Lloyd-Jones (talk) 08:05, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

5-10 fold means by a factor of 5-10, not by 500%-1,000%. i.e. it means divide by 5-10. It makes sense to use the word "fold" because we have already used factor to mean something else. Yaris678 (talk) 14:14, 17 January 2018 (UTC)