Talk:Phoenice

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Alexikoua shouldn't make or deductions because Ugolini's claims were about connections with Italy and those were the archaeological claims used politically by the Italia government, not about the Illyrian artifacts: [1] The ‘Illyrian’ finds were few, but parallels could be made with better-known materials from northern Albania. Moreover, Ugolini recognised that the material culture recovered had affinities with the Iron Age of southern Adriatic Italy. To the Italian government this was an opportunity to be exploited.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 20:52, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Can people finally remove that silly piece of made-up private jargon, "or deduction", from their vocabularies? Please pretty please. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:20, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

"npa vio" is another all-time favorite. Athenean (talk) 00:03, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

(ignore trolling). Actually you were the one that claimed that Phoenice isn't part of the Illyrian territory (per Wilkes map), something that should be stated. So it's better to reword the sentence since you (accidentally) reverted my version instantly.Alexikoua (talk) 21:00, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Does a city have to be part of a territory for artifacts of other tribes to be found in it? Please don't make or deductions. Btw the whole region was since 230 BC under the suzerainty of the Ardiaean kindgom.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 21:03, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

(Please avoid expression like 'or deduction'). This means that you disagree with Wilkes' map, something that weakens your arguments even more.Alexikoua (talk) 21:07, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

According to the current Italian mission [[2]] the city was one of the capitals of Epirus (the other was Dodona). I can't see a word about Illyrian.Alexikoua (talk) 21:12, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Please read what suzerainty is.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 21:14, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

The "suzerainty" didn't last more than a year. I am going to fix that. Athenean (talk) 21:44, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

I've corrected some 'or' that was recently added like that "until 230 BC when it became a dominion of the Illyrian Ardiaean kingdom.". In fact Illyrian troops withdraw just after the region was ravaged and a peace treaty was signed. Wilkes is also very clear on that (see Teuta).Alexikoua (talk) 21:46, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

A note: "parallels could be made with better-known materials from northern Albania" is just speculation, it doesn't mean that "parallels should be made with better-known materials from northern Albania". Also note that Illyrian is in quotes. Athenean (talk) 22:58, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Ive corrected Zjarri's latest 'or' in this article where he claimed that the city was a centre of the Chaonians until 3rd cent. BC. [[3]], while in fact it was until 168 BC. Unfortunately I feel that specific members of this project deny any kind of discussion, something that in this case reveals a hostile profile.Alexikoua (talk) 01:33, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

There were was no Chaonian entity in 167 BC in Phoenice i.e or and btw please don't make blind reverts since Luigi Ugolini isn't the archaeologist, who died before 1938. Even if you had sourced your about 167 BC, for the next 6-7 centuries this would be a Roman city so why do you want to label a site, whose most preserved material are from the Roman era as Chaonian?--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 08:57, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

To sum up: There 'was' a Chaonian entity until 168 B.C., feel free to read the article. Also notice that 'whose most preserved material are from the Roman era' is just 'or'. You also need to explain what 'Illyrian' means, because Ugolini's mission had just propaganda objectives.

About Luigi Ugolini, I'm sorry but it seems you are in wp:trolling territory since you accuse me by ignoring that I've restored it immediately [[4]] (I was expanding the article at the same time).Alexikoua (talk) 00:24, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Phoenice is not a "Roman city" and no source describes it as such. This is incredibly tendentious and needs to stop. Athenean (talk) 00:37, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

As I've expected this 1924-28 mission was just for propaganda purposes [[5]][[[[6]]]] and Ugolini is termed as young fascist prehistorian.Alexikoua (talk) 01:03, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

You thought that Ugolini died in the 1980s and that he was a painter before I told you who he was. Btw what does that have to do with the Illyrian material? Btw if any other edits like this one [7] occur I'll ask for immediate admin intervention, so please stick to the sources and don't make WP:IDONTLIKEIT edits.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 01:09, 9 January 2011 (UTC)