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Deep Purple - former past members

Why is the "past members" section in the infobox empty? I think that this problem needs to be corrected, especially because Giants such as ‪Jon Lord‬ and ‪Ritchie Blackmore‬ were a members in the band.

The past members that I know about are:
Ritchie Blackmore‬
 Jon Lord‬
 Nick Simper‬
 Rod Evans
However, that list needs to be veryfied.

Thanks,

Tommy

— Preceding unsigned comment added by TomPadan (talk • contribs) 14:33, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Hush" peak dates on the Hot 100

"Hush" peaked at #4 on the Hot 100 on 21-28 September 1968, not in October 1968, as the article currently states. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.51.126.90 (talk) 17:34, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Verified and made the change to September Howenstein115 (talk) 12:17, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

exemplary!

I would just like to congratulate everyone responsible for this article. It is truly exemplary. I'm not talking about all of your facts being straight, I mean the structure of the article, and how it was fleshed out. I admire the graphics and their placement in the article. I like the fact that song buttons were used, it is an article about a band, after all. It has layers to satisfy the novice and the adept. Bravo! Pb8bije6a7b6a3w (talk) 03:08, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Russian Reversal

can someone translate it?

Кировский районный суд Ростова-на-Дону вынес 15 июня 2009 года решение, согласно которому организатор концерта группы «Deep Purple» в этом городе 19 октября 2008 года — ООО «Юг-Арт» использовало пятнадцать произведений Deep Purple без договора с РАО. В резолютивной части решения суд, в частности, указал:

< blockquote > Взыскать с ООО «Юг-Арт» в пользу Общероссийской общественной организации «Российское Авторское Общество» в лице Южного филиала РАО для дальнейшего распределения и выплаты авторам-членам авторско-правовой организации Пи-Эр-Эс (PRS): Яну Гиллану (I.Gillan), Яну Пейсу (I.Paice), Роджеру Гловеру (R.Glover), члену авторско-правового общества «Би-Эм-Ай» (BMI): Стиву Морсу (S.Morse) компенсацию за каждый случай бездоговорного использования произведения в сумме 30 000 рублей, а всего 450 000 рублей. < / blockquote >

13 августа 2009 года в кассационной инстанции Ростовский областной суд отправил дело о концерте рок-группы «Deep Purple» на новое рассмотрение.[1][2][3] 20 октября 2009 года Кировский районный суд г. Ростова-на-Дону при повторном рассмотрение дела вновь вынес решение о присуждении в пользу РАО 457 500 рублей.[4]

References

  1. ^ Суд пересмотрит дело о ростовском концерте Deep Purple, lenta.ru, 14 августа 2009 г
  2. ^ Ростовский суд назначил новое рассмотрение дела о концерте Deep Purple, РИА Новости, 14 августа 2009 г
  3. ^ "Кассационные определения Ростовского областного суда по делам РАО против ООО "Юг-арт"". Конференция ЮрКлуба. 16-09-2009. Archived from the original on 2012-02-27. Retrieved 2009-10-24. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  4. ^ Лобков, Денис (17.08.2009). "В деле об авторских вознаграждениях Deep Purple поставлена точка?". ПРАВО.RU. Archived from the original on 2012-02-27. Retrieved 2009-10-24. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

according russian laws Deep Purple violate copyrights by singing own sings without permission of «Russian Authors' Society» (Idot (talk) 18:42, 3 July 2013 (UTC))[reply]


Have you tried Google translate?

The Kirovsky District Court of Rostov-on-Don made June 15, 2009 and the decision according to which the organizer of the Deep Purple concert in this city on October 19, 2008 a - Yug-Art LLC used fifteen works of Deep Purple without an agreement with RW. In the operative part of the decision, the court, in particular, stated:
"To recover from Yug-Art LLC in favor of the All-Russian public organization 'Russian Authors' Society' represented by the Southern branch of the RAO for further distribution and payment to Pi-Er-Es (PRS) copyright organization (PRS): I.Gillan), Ian Pace (I.Paice), Roger Glover (R.Glover), a member of the copyright society "BIM-I" (BMI): Steve Morse (S.Morse) compensation for each case of non-contractual use works in the amount of 30,000 rubles, and only 450,000 rubles."
On August 13, 2009 at the cassation instance, the Rostov Regional Court sent the case of the Deep Purple rock band's concert for a new consideration. [1] [2] [3] On October 20, 2009, the Kirovskiy District Court of Rostov-on-Don, at its repeated consideration of the case, again made a decision on awarding 457,500 rubles to RAO.

--DrBurningBunny (talk) 17:48, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Rod Evans" Photo

I'm pretty sure the B&W photo with the caption "Original lead singer Rod Evans" is actually a photo of original bassist Nick Simper, based on liner credits and other photos on Mk. I albums. Howenstein115 (talk) 19:15, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Heavy Metal

What happened to the "Heavy Metal" in the album genres? Deep Purple is a Hard Rock band with A LOT of Heavy Metal on it. Any reliable review says that. And is heavy metal enough to be put on the albums genres. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sergiohsilva100 (talk • contribs) 23:40, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Deep purple is indeed Heavy Metal. Most of these anonymous IPs either Have Heavy Metal confused with Doom metal, which contains dark lyrics. Heavy Metal is psychedelic and very fuzzy. People need to learn the difference.--166.147.120.25 (talk) 22:31, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]


People need to learn the difference between hard rock and heavy metal.

From Russian version of Wikipedia "Hard rock" article (my translation):

"By the time of early 1970s hard rock bands that became founders of this subgenre appeared: Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath. ...1970s hard rock layed the groundwork for heavy metal that emerged later"

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A5%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B4-%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BA

Wikipedia "Hard rock" article:

"Hard rock developed into a major form of popular music in the 1970s, with bands such as Led Zeppelin, The Who, Deep Purple, Aerosmith and AC/DC"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_rock --93.80.253.98 (talk) 11:03, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There was no distinction between hard rock and heavy metal for at least a decade. Deep Purple are cited as a major band in its development in multiple reliable sources.--SabreBD (talk) 16:00, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Yes, but since early 80s there is a distinction. My opinion is that there is no sence to call Deep Purple "heavy metal" and not "hard rock". --93.80.253.98 (talk) 09:47, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's not about editor opinions, it's about what is found in reliable sources. Binksternet (talk) 20:49, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Deep Purple is not really a heavy metal band. I think it would be better to remove that statement. E104421 (talk) 21:06, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Discography

The Concerto for Group and Orchestra is mentioned in the article, but not the discography. Is there a sound reason for this omission?

A timeline over the bandmembers

I think that it would be great if someone created a timeline for the history of the bandmembers. /Lighten-up (talk) 05:00, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It has been created, it here List_of_Deep_Purple_band_members#Timeline. Mlpearc (open channel) 17:47, 19 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Candice

Candice Night was backing vocalist in 1993. She was a touring musician like Joe Satriani. Progenie (talk) 09:43, 12 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal

It was proposed that the Bogus Deep Purple article should be merged into this artilce. I think it would be more appropriate to megre it into the article Rod Evans, as the fake group had no relation to the real one except its name.--IgorMagic (talk) 06:39, 31 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Closing, given opposition no support over almost 2 years. Klbrain (talk) 00:42, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Formed in Hertford?

The article states that Deep Purple was formed in Hertford and cites the sleeve notes pp4-5 of the album Shades Of Deep Purple. The sleeve of Shades Of Deep Purple is a simple two sided album cover, so has no pp4-5. The notes make no mention of Hertford. Furthermore, Nick Simper's own biography of the band has them coming together at Deeves Hall, Potters Bar - some 10 miles to the south west of Hertford. Nick Simper makes no mention of Hertford at all.

http://www.nicksimper.net/nicks-story/chapters-18-20/chapter-19-rod-ian-join-roundabout/

I have tried editing the article to correct the inaccuracy but someone keeps changing it back.

There are many different issues of Shades... so I suspect the issue in question is a reissue CD with a fat booklet. Both these look like reliable sources so there should probably both be covered in the text. Bretonbanquet (talk) 14:44, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Heavy metal (II)

I strongly believe that heavy metal should be removed from the infobox. It should just say hard rock and progressive rock. Led Zeppelin should receive the same treatment as well, where it should just say hard rock, blues rock and folk rock. It was really Black Sabbath that was the one that forged the heavy metal genre, not Deep Purple or Led Zeppelin. These two bands aren't heavy enough to qualify for heavy metal status. Music2247 (talk) 15:53, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Music2247: What reliable sources do you have ? We do not take personal opinions. - FlightTime (open channel) 16:29, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
https://ourpastimes.com/hard-rock-vs-heavy-metal-12325057.html

Does this help? Music2247 (talk) 18:04, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Music2247: that source says Deep Purple (and the other you mention) are hard rock, so NO it doesn't help your case. - FlightTime (open channel) 18:11, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
But that's what I mean. Remove heavy metal, but keep hard rock. That's what that source is supposed to mean. Music2247 (talk) 18:14, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You'd have a hard time convinving anyone that ourpastimes.com would pass WP:RS. Looks like probably some user generated content combined with little editorial oversight and no reputation for fact checking. And I disagree that heavy metal should be removed from the infobox. Unless OP can convince me otherwise. SolarFlash (talk) 19:56, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
https://ironskullet.com/2017/10/30/the-history-of-heavy-metal-part-i-the-difference-between-metal-and-heavy-metal/

Does this help even better? Music2247 (talk) 04:49, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No. Blog posts are not reliable sources. Assuming you can find a reliable source that definitively states that Deep Purple are not heavy metal, I bet I can find six that definitively state that they are. Choose your battles. SolarFlash (talk) 13:22, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The trouble is that you can always find sources to say that a band is a particular genre, but there are never sources out there to say that a band is not a particular genre. There are always enough random sources out there to satisfy Wikipedia's criteria, and that's "good enough". That's why genres shouldn't be a part of the project. Deep Purple are not, and never were, a heavy metal band, but it's pointless having this conversation, because genre inclusion is based on nothing but opinions. The glaring issue is that the OP's opinion is irrelevant, but if he wrote for Allmusic, suddenly his opinion would count. He wouldn't be any more qualified, or knowledgeable, or correct, but suddenly his opinion would be valid and taken as "fact". Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:07, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Here for example, at Never Say Die!, we have categorical proof that Black Sabbath are, or were in 1978, a pop rock band. It's right there, proven beyond all doubt and presented as fact, because some gormless idiot managed to get that opinion published. It's still garbage: I know it, you know it, but there it is. Fact. But you can't counter it because, unsurprisingly, no reliable source ever felt the need to say that Sabbath isn't pop rock, so it stands. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:15, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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