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{{db-talk|A speedy deletion tag was placed on this article by an individual who then blanked the article, including the db, a few minutes later. I had pointed out to them that db8 was only supposed to be used for articles that were essentially duplicates of previously deleted material. No article had been previously deleted. Geo Swan (talk) 23:32, 3 June 2020 (UTC)}}[reply]

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This page should not be speedily deleted because... (it can be redirected to George Floyd or one of many other suitable pages) --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:02, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it will certainly need to be a redirect - the issue is whether the revision history needs to be deleted. St Anselm (talk) 23:14, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

StAnselm, I already explained to you, on your user talk page, that db-repost is only supposed to be used on material that was previously deleted. The logs for this page show that this article was not previously deleted.

I removed the db-repost tag you placed in violation of policy. Geo Swan (talk) 23:47, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Geo Swan the title is irrelevant. G4 allows deletion of subjects that have been discussed at AFD and deleted. Praxidicae (talk) 23:50, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification please. Praxidicae Geo Swan (talk) 00:15, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CSD#G4 says
This applies to sufficiently identical copies, having any title...	I think you are arguing that the deletion of Derek Chauvin (police officer) justifies the G4 here. However, StAnselm already acknowledged, on his or her user talk page, that they don't know what any deleted material said. The claim they used for placing the tag there? " But the consensus was clear that there should not be an article about this person." I think you know that is not how deletion works. A brand new version requires a brand new AFD. AFDs which conclude a topic itself should never have an article are rare. They result in salting the topic name. For 99.x percent of articles deleted at AFD, good faith contributors who think they can draft a different version, one with references not used in the earlier version, one which they think does measure up to our inclusion criteria, are entitled to go ahead and do so, without having to worry about contributors interfering with their work with inappropriate speedy deletion claims.
It excludes pages that are not substantially identical to the deleted version...	As above, StAnselm has no idea as to whether this version is identical to the version of Derek Chauvin (police officer) that was deleted.

I don't need a giant chart, you can go read WP:G4. It says NOTHING about "the title must be the same." Changing a title is not a substantial difference. The AFD was pretty clear that this shouldn't exist as a standalone article. And considering you can't see the deleted version either, you're not in a position to be making the judgement about whether it's sufficiently similar or not either. Praxidicae (talk) 00:28, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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+::I don't need a giant chart, you can go read [[WP:G4]]. It says NOTHING about "the title must be the same." Changing a title is not a substantial difference. The AFD was pretty clear that this shouldn't exist as a standalone article. And considering you can't see the deleted version either, you're not in a position to be making the judgement about whether it's sufficiently similar or not either. [[User:Praxidicae|Praxidicae]] ([[User talk:Praxidicae|talk]]) 00:28, 4 June 2020 (UTC)