Talk:Finasteride

Trump's use of Finasteride

Trump's doctor says he uses this drug, which should be enough for a mention. NY Times is the source. 104.163.150.250 (talk) 04:55, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

trivia. Jytdog (talk) 05:35, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

The Washington Post article [Potential side effects of the drug Trump reportedly takes for hair loss] by a urologist, Daniel Marchalik, cites many WP:MEDMOS articles, some of which are more recent than the articles cited in this entry, and which give a higher risk for impotence than we state in the article, based on 2010 papers. For example, it links to a 2012 FDA label change to say that sexual disorders may continue after discontinuation. I think a real urologist is in a better position to evaluate conflicting studies than most Wikipedia editors. He also says that there are psychological effects, including suicidality. --Nbauman (talk) 18:28, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

The following paragraph by the urologist is the kind of dreck that incompetent POV pushers rush to add to WP and that get quickly reverted:"At the same time, a recent study demonstrated changes in the levels of certain steroids in cerebrospinal fluid of men taking finasteride for hair loss. These steroids have been shown to influence brain function, and their presence may help explain the profound psychological changes such as depression and suicidality that have been associated with finasteride use." I believe you meant "MEDRS sources" and the paper cited in that passage (PMID 23890183) is not all that "recent" (2013) and is primary (a case report), not MEDRS (a literature review or statement by a major medical/scientific body). Most of the WaPo article is about the possibility of sexual dysfunction which this article covers already. Jytdog (talk) 18:46, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Your reference to "incompetent POV pushers" is a violation of WP:NPA. Until you retract it I have nothing to say to you.

For the other editors working on this entry, I will point out that the most recent reference to sexual dysfunction in the entry is a 2010 review, and The Washington Post article cites a later meta-analysis J Sex Med. 2016 Sep;13(9):1297-310. doi: 10.1016/j.jsxm.2016.07.006. Epub 2016 Jul 27. --Nbauman (talk) 01:37, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

? i said nothing about you - i don't believe that you were proposing to add ":"At the same time, a recent study demonstrated changes in the levels of certain steroids in cerebrospinal fluid of men taking finasteride for hair loss. These steroids have been shown to influence brain function, and their presence may help explain the profound psychological changes such as depression and suicidality that have been associated with finasteride use." to this article. I did challenge your assertion that what this urologist said is relevant to WP content and gave that as an example of what the urologist thinks is important to discuss. Jytdog (talk) 02:16, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

I think that was pretty clearly a personal attack. Jytdog has a repeated history of expressing himself with a disrespectful tone and it has gotten him into trouble on many occasions. In any case, I don't feel strongly about this topic since I focus mostly on keeping the science up to date and objective as possible but it may be worth including in the "Society and Culture" section. Jytdog argues it is "trivia", but it is certainly more notable that the most politically influential person in the world is taking the drug compared to several retired athletes. Doors22 (talk) 03:02, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Edit request

Doc James and SlimVirgin, will one of you please add the following text to the society and culture section in a section above the sentence that mentions the FDA? "In February 2017, Donald Trump's personal physician of over three decades announced he has been publicly taking finasteride to promote hair growth. Dr. Bornstein credited the drug for helping him maintain all his hair. Compared to the mention of former athletes taking finasteride, it is notable the world's most powerful politician and celebrity known for his hair is taking the drug. Two sentences should be reasonable. The story was reported in publications such as the NYTimes, the Washington Post, CNN, Men's Journal, and the Huffington Post. Thanks. Doors22 (talk) 15:59, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Fairly decent source. Sort of trivia but notable trivia I guess. Slim your thoughts? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:41, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Doc James, I'm here only as an admin, so I'd prefer not to comment on content. SarahSV ^(talk) 17:31, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

SlimVirgin, I'm not sure if you remember but due to constant conflicts on this page, Jytdog offered to "walk away from this page" if I agreed to submit edit requests on the talk page. You offered to assist with the edits which I why I pinged you. Even though I have kept my end, he has clearly violated our agreement and was unpleasant and rude towards NBauman.Doors22 (talk) 02:45, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Per MEDMOS we don't add this kind of trivia to artiicles about medicine and drugs. I would be fine with removing mentions of athletes. Jytdog (talk) 21:44, 22 February 2017 (UTC)