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Neutrality?

This article has a neutrality tag dating from December 2009, but no discussion in the talk page. What are the neutrality issues? If there aren't any to discuss here, why not remove the tag? Agathman (talk) 15:07, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I saw a recent edit that said Archives were reverted to show neutrality history, but I can't see where that has happened. Afaprof01 (talk) 23:47, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The lead

This lead does not summarize the body of the article as per our MOS on WP:LEAD. Can we fix this? Auntie E. (talk) 20:14, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that the bits that were cut before by Lisa were misplaced, but the lead has remained truncated since. Maybe we can add a paragraph on the scholarly opinion on the formulation, noting the important distinction of monotheism that differentiated this myth from its influences. IMHO that should be stressed. Auntie E. (talk) 20:22, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Il faut le faire toi-meme.PiCo (talk) 11:40, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Creationism section

Someone has replaced the original section on Creationism and Genesis 1-2 with a much longer version. If the editor who made the changes would still like to argue for them, he/she is welcome to do so, but please come to this page first and set out the reasons why, in your opinion, these major changes are necessary. PiCo (talk) 11:50, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

First sentence

I'm suggesting this for the first sentence: Creation according to Genesis is the Hebrew Bible's sacred narrative explaining how the world and humankind came to be in their present form.

This avoids the word "myth" while still using the academic definition of myth. Given the popular interpretation of "myth" as "fiction", I think this is desirable.

Rossnixon in a recent edit changed it to this: Creation according to Genesis is the Hebrew Bible's narrative explaining how the universe, world and life on earth came into existence. My problem with this is: (a) it's definitely a sacred narrative, as it puts God at the centre of the story; and (b) the idea of "universe" is a modern one - lots of planets and solar systems and galaxies whirling through space. That's not what the ancients thought of at all. Oh, I'll add (c): the Genesis story concentrates not just on how the world came into existence - it could stop at day 6 if it did that - but on how the new creation related to God: a day of rest and marriage. It's not just a story, it's a story with a message. PiCo (talk) 04:25, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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 Someone has replaced the original section on Creationism and Genesis 1-2 with a much longer version. If the editor who made the changes would still like to argue for them, he/she is welcome to do so, but please come to this page first and set out the reasons why, in your opinion, these major changes are necessary. [[User:PiCo|PiCo]] ([[User talk:PiCo|talk]]) 11:50, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
+== First sentence ==
+I'm suggesting this for the first sentence:
+''Creation according to Genesis is the Hebrew Bible's sacred narrative explaining how the world and humankind came to be in their present form.''
+This avoids the word "myth" while still using the academic definition of myth. Given the popular interpretation of "myth" as "fiction", I think this is desirable.
+Rossnixon in a recent edit changed it to this: ''Creation according to Genesis is the Hebrew Bible's narrative explaining how the universe, world and life on earth came into existence.'' My problem with this is: (a) it's definitely a sacred narrative, as it puts God at the centre of the story; and (b) the idea of "universe" is a modern one - lots of planets and solar systems and galaxies whirling through space. That's not what the ancients thought of at all. Oh, I'll add (c): the Genesis story concentrates not just on how the world came into existence - it could stop at day 6 if it did that - but on how the new creation related to God: a day of rest and marriage. It's not just a story, it's a story with a message. [[User:PiCo|PiCo]] ([[User talk:PiCo|talk]]) 04:25, 13 January 2010 (UTC)