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BBC award

Hey, noticed a line "including award-winning work for the BBC" at the end of the early life section. Did a comb through news results using Google search and couldn't find an award that Glazer won for work he specifically did for the BBC (though I found many other awards!). The line had been there since the initial article was created in 2005. Let me know if I was wrong! Crunchydillpickle🥒 (talk) 07:09, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

At risk of vandalism

This page seems like it's going to be the site of an edit war and vandalism. There might need to be some sort of protection on it. 194.127.105.130 (talk) 10:56, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalized after Anti War Speech

seems like after his acceptance speech Jonathan Glazer's Page got vandalized by a pro war activist 2A02:8388:1782:9C80:8197:60F5:2BD6:E428 (talk) 11:02, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Academy Awards acceptance speech (section)

Preserving here by providing this link; my rationale was: "Revert further back -- the entire section was created by a problematic non-ECP editor & may be undue". -- K.e.coffman (talk) 07:23, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish People not "Jew"

"But other Jews condemned Glazer's speech. Jewish columnists John Podhoretz and Batya Ungar-Sargon criticized Glazer for using the words 'men who refute their Jewishness'"

I know that using "Jew" as shorthand for Jewish people is common, but I think when the situation is so polarized we need to take extra care. Jack-Vidence (talk) 20:58, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. I made the change. Up the Walls (talk) 00:57, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Erm, is this a case of exaggerated 'offence by proxy'. I am a Jew. I find nothing in the word to take offence at. Please watch Stephen Fry's recent video on Youtube 'I am a Jew'. Do I need to avoid the word Jew and describe myself as 'a Jewish Person' or of 'Jewish descent' to stop you feeling offended on my behalf or to prevent myself from offending myself? Although I understand your attitude is well meant and kind, I actually find it really patronising. I am a Jew. Try not to wince. Blotski (talk) 11:31, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ben Sales said in the Washington Post that "‘Jew’ isn’t a slur. You don’t have to avoid saying it."

But if some people prefer "Jewish people" over "Jews", why not use "Jewish people"? Up the Walls (talk) 13:11, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zone of Interest Academy of Award acceptance speech section

I can see that this is highly contentious and so I am putting a comment here before editing to see if any other editor has a view. The paragraph largely frames criticism of Glazer's speech as an error of interpretation. While it does presently reflect the truth that some critics wantonly misrepresented Glazer's meaning, many (more?) simply referred to the equivalence he drew between the two sides in the present Gaza conflict (I'm trying to write that as neutrally as possible). To my mind, that paragraph does not reflect the nature of the criticism well enough; in effect it appears to rebut criticism of Glazer rather than describing the criticism correctly. I will wait to see if anyone has a view before editing. All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 07:40, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I totally agree. The whole paragraph comes across as biased. It gives far more room to defence of his stance than to criticism. I would have liked to add the critical views of The Holocaust Survivors’ Foundation USA and of the film director Laszlo Nemes both in the Guardian today (16.3.24) but the page seems to be closed for editing. Blotski (talk) 09:21, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. The page is likely restricted to auto confirmed users (500 edits, etc). I'll wait 'til tomorrow to give others a chance to chip in then I'll edit as you suggest. All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 12:43, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i agree wholeheartedly. I would also liked to have added the critical views of the Holocaust Foundation USA and Laszlo Nemes. Hopefully someone with higher status can do this. Cheers

8barzmusic 8barzmusic (talk) 19:51, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the Lazlo Nemes statement should certainly be cited. I'll make that edit tomorrow if no-one opposes. Emmentalist (talk) 22:16, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

thank you for posting this thread, too.

Cheers 8barzmusic (talk) 22:19, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Half the article for an oscar winning director shouldn't be reactions to a speech he made 2A02:C7C:7025:B500:4D64:614F:3BEB:C432 (talk) 23:14, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i think that is a valid point as well. There shouldn't be any indications of a gossip publication. Correct me if I am wrong, things should be as neutral as possible. Objective. His career is not about opinions. 8barzmusic (talk) 23:32, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Given that his speech generated a lot of controversy, we can't just ignore the controversy and delete all the reactions to the speech. Up the Walls (talk) 02:16, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I concur with StarkReport's concerns about WP:RECENTISM. The expansive section strikes me as WP:UNDUE. This bio should not contain an exhaustive list of reactions from those who disagree with the thrust of the subject's Oscars speech, at times based on misinterpretations as discussed in sources. --K.e.coffman (talk) 08:50, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:UNDUE is not a reason to mass delete all well referenced content. WP:RECENTISM is an essay to encourage developing the article with "appropriate … aware[ness] of balance and historical perspective." It's also not a reason to mass delete well referenced content. Up the Walls (talk) 13:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Revert of text at Oscar speech

I've undone a revision of today which cited WP:Recentism and removed much of the text. This is a live discussion of exactly that matter so I have applied WP:BRD. In conjunction with that, I will leave another couple of days - owing to the fulsome and constructive discussion here - then propose a form of words (other editors are of course welcome to do the same). All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 16:18, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 *I concur with {{U|StarkReport}}'s concerns about [[WP:RECENTISM]]. The expansive section strikes me as [[WP:UNDUE]]. This bio should not contain an exhaustive list of reactions from those who disagree with the thrust of the subject's Oscars speech, at times based on misinterpretations as discussed in sources. --[[User:K.e.coffman|K.e.coffman]] ([[User talk:K.e.coffman|talk]]) 08:50, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 :::[[WP:UNDUE]] is not a reason to mass delete all well referenced content. [[WP:RECENTISM]] is an essay to encourage developing the article with "appropriate … aware[ness] of balance and historical perspective." It's also not a reason to mass delete well referenced content. [[User:Up the Walls|Up the Walls]] ([[User talk:Up the Walls|talk]]) 13:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
+=Revert of text at Oscar speech=
+I've undone a revision of today which cited WP:Recentism and removed much of the text. This is a live discussion of exactly that matter so I have applied WP:BRD. In conjunction with that, I will leave another couple of days - owing to the fulsome and constructive discussion here - then propose a form of words (other editors are of course welcome to do the same). All the best, [[User:Emmentalist|Emmentalist]] ([[User talk:Emmentalist|talk]]) 16:18, 17 March 2024 (UTC)