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:::A bit presumptuous of you to think you understand what I do or do not understand. Please provide a single reliable source that Hamas held any territory in Israel under military occupation. A source that directly says that. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17">nableezy</span>]]''' - 02:33, 17 October 2023 (UTC)</small> |
:::A bit presumptuous of you to think you understand what I do or do not understand. Please provide a single reliable source that Hamas held any territory in Israel under military occupation. A source that directly says that. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17">nableezy</span>]]''' - 02:33, 17 October 2023 (UTC)</small> |
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::::[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67044255 BBC], [https://www.timesofisrael.com/testimonies-from-beeri-massacre-expose-deep-trauma-predating-israels-creation/ Times of Israel], & [https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israel-war-hamas-attack-ade2a861 WSJ] are three sources. Hamas 100% controlled several towns and military bases. <small>(Joke comment, don't take seriously - Wow! I learned something new today! If you own a house and use/live in a house, you don't occupy the house! Who knew! You can live in a house you don't occupy!)</small> '''The [[User:WeatherWriter|Weather Event Writer]]''' ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|Talk Page)]] 02:44, 17 October 2023 (UTC) |
::::[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67044255 BBC], [https://www.timesofisrael.com/testimonies-from-beeri-massacre-expose-deep-trauma-predating-israels-creation/ Times of Israel], & [https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israel-war-hamas-attack-ade2a861 WSJ] are three sources. Hamas 100% controlled several towns and military bases. <small>(Joke comment, don't take seriously - Wow! I learned something new today! If you own a house and use/live in a house, you don't occupy the house! Who knew! You can live in a house you don't occupy!)</small> '''The [[User:WeatherWriter|Weather Event Writer]]''' ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|Talk Page)]] 02:44, 17 October 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''No''' Other than WeatherWriter's personal view there's nothing saying that Hamas held Israel Territory as an occupying power or under military occupation. Simple work of the backspace key erasing their opinion typed here on this talk page destroys the only source of this opinion. Wikipedia editors are not reliable sources and are barred from using original research.[[User:Serialjoepsycho|-Serialjoepsycho-]] ([[User talk:Serialjoepsycho|talk]]) 02:45, 17 October 2023 (UTC) |
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What parts of Vietnam did the British occupy?
It says some parts were occupied, but which? It doesn’t give a deep description. 36.37.140.114 (talk) 15:32, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
Should the Chagos occupation by the UK, leased to the USA be added?
By all accounts it seems to qualify, although I wouldn't know which date should be considered as the start of the occupation. 86.114.251.210 (talk) 22:31, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
Azerbaijan occupied lands
Shouldn't the azerbaijan entries be moved into the historical section considering the recent war? 2A01:4B00:8786:D00:50B8:6ACD:74D7:CB4C (talk) 03:01, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
RfC - Is Operation Al-Aqsa Flood a military occupation
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Plain and simple discussion: Does Operation Al-Aqsa Flood, part of the 2023 Israel–Hamas war count for a military occupation (which would have lasted for 3 days) for the list? The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 02:18, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
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- Yes – Several towns and military bases were captured during the 3-days that Hamas controlled multiple parts of the Souther District of Israel. The resulting battles: Battle of Re'im (military base), Be'eri massacre (town), Battle of Sderot (Town and police garrison), Battle of Sufa (town), Battle of Zikim (military base), Netiv HaAsara attack (town), and several others without Wikipedia articles were completely captured or battled for by Hamas. This map: shows the farthest extent of Hamas captured territory during the operation. It is larger than the Gaza Strip in land area, and Hamas fully captured that and held it for a while. A user originally classified the linking of Wikipedia articles original research, however, I do not feel like linking the 70+ sources from those articles I linked to here. So it should be added. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 02:21, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- No and no source has been provided saying that it is. Capturing is not the same as placing under your military authority. We have rules on original research, you cant say Hamas captured these villages and held them for up to three days and because they did this it was occupied territory. Hamas never, as far as I can tell, asserted any authority over the governance of these places, and, again as far as I can tell, there is not a single reliable source claiming it held them under military occupation. Absent a source, this is a pointless question. No source = no inclusion the end. nableezy - 02:28, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- Being blunt, the controlling power of the Gaza Strip took over several military bases and towns, killing hundreds of people and you say they didn't have control over the territory or people? You my friend don't understand war. Sources were provided in the wiki-links above. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 02:31, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- A bit presumptuous of you to think you understand what I do or do not understand. Please provide a single reliable source that Hamas held any territory in Israel under military occupation. A source that directly says that. nableezy - 02:33, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- BBC, Times of Israel, & WSJ are three sources. Hamas 100% controlled several towns and military bases. (Joke comment, don't take seriously - Wow! I learned something new today! If you own a house and use/live in a house, you don't occupy the house! Who knew! You can live in a house you don't occupy!) The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 02:44, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- A bit presumptuous of you to think you understand what I do or do not understand. Please provide a single reliable source that Hamas held any territory in Israel under military occupation. A source that directly says that. nableezy - 02:33, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- Being blunt, the controlling power of the Gaza Strip took over several military bases and towns, killing hundreds of people and you say they didn't have control over the territory or people? You my friend don't understand war. Sources were provided in the wiki-links above. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 02:31, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- No Other than WeatherWriter's personal view there's nothing saying that Hamas held Israel Territory as an occupying power or under military occupation. Simple work of the backspace key erasing their opinion typed here on this talk page destroys the only source of this opinion. Wikipedia editors are not reliable sources and are barred from using original research.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 02:45, 17 October 2023 (UTC)