Talk:Madrid

Historical Notation

the return to the basics of solidarity and sound mind, enough with frivolity and wimsy. after years of contemplating the who's who and whats what to no discovery or too late to bring solidarity of sound unity through the introduction of the european community and the reverting back to the old mappings of the old glamor of the ballrooms and chandeliers with open arms and straight forward realness of the times reflecting on the history of discovery over the waters of the oceans and new lands now lost but found again in a new brighter light of the older views remembering the old capital and the dys of the riding of the houses in gallent display of acheivement as we accept that which was given to us the green of the three and the ring newly Fashioned Form. No need to change the names and run with the new name but do plan to state each individually in reverse letter order for the new millenium. year 2022

Jennifer in San Francisco, World nick name poison JennyFlower JenniferRoddick (talk) 21:32, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Should be removed. Xx236 (talk) 13:12, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Lead image for article

Good Morning. I have changed the lead image from that of Edificio Espana to that of Gran Calao. I believe the new lead image is a superior image in 3 aspects: a) image quality. b) Depicts a very famous part of the city whilst still being an excellent skyline picture c) is a better candidate for representing the unique identity of madrid as a city rather than just being any other mediterranean city as the edificio espana image makes it look like.

Please do give your thoughts below. Becausewhynothuh? (talk) 06:16, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for opening a thread. I lean towards favoring wider panoramic views in the infobox putting the city in a geographical context. For Madrid it is perhaps a bit difficult as the points of reference vis-à-vis the environment are not clear (only the Manzanares, the Manzanares slope, and far far away, the Guadarrama mountains). I don't think that there is currently a pic fulfilling both an adequate representation of the Manzanares and the Guadarrama. A wide-angle lens panorama of the city skyline from Valdemoro or Cerro de los Ángeles in a clear day may perhaps satisfy the latter (but there is currently none available in Commons, and a regular photo in non-perfect atmospheric conditions such as this one does not cut it), perhaps a wide-angle top down shot from La Pedriza could make the trick too (but there is none available either I think, and a regular photo does not seem adequate), while there are some shots from San Isidro illustrating the skyline and the river slope (but not the river itself). Anyways, while the image you moved to a less prominent position does not offer real geographical insight, but still gives a glimpse of the city's urbanism and density. is a better candidate for representing the unique identity of madrid as a city rather than just being any other mediterranean city I don't understand this one bit. Which is the "unique identity of Madrid" according to you and which is the look of "any other Mediterranean city"? Zaragoza or Mediterranean cities such as Valencia, Barcelona and Málaga, to name a few, have similar street crossings to that one, by the way, although I think that that's beyond the point. Let's see if this thread develops some track... All in all, as mentioned above, I would lean towards a panorama view of sorts as the largest infobox image.--Asqueladd (talk) 09:05, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

I agree. I'm not thrilled with the current photo, but it is superior overall than the proposed alternative, and I would only support replacing it with an image that gives a better overview, not of a particular spot. Cerebral726 (talk) 13:38, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt response.

Addressing your question about the unique identity of Madrid. What I meant is that the previous lead image looks like a skyline photo which could very easily be used to represent nearly any Mediterranean city with their low rise mixed use, colorful buildings, loads of brick roofs etc. A unique picture would be one which better represents the city in question. For example, the very very famous NYC skyline means the article has a skyline lead image of manhattan which features the Empire State, etc. For Barcelona, the lead image depicts the square grid of L'Eixample, which is an very well known aspect of Barcelona. For Paris, the eiffel tower, notre dame, as well as Paris' famous style of architecture is very prominently featured. For London, the tower bridge, the shard, the gherkin are all featured whilst showing a great skyline. How is this relevant to my point? Madrid is known for its wide boulevards and Gran Via is a rather excellent representative of Madrid as such. pictures featuring the metropolis building would be an even better choice as it's considered by spain's official tourism site itself to be one of the most famous buildings + it's at Gran Via and thus at an excellent location for skyline pics. while i do agree that the option i proposed would be better from a higher altitude, i do feel it's far superior to the rather throwaway lead image which doesn't even have Madrid's skyscrapers like Las Cuatro Torres which would arguably be the best option tbh Becausewhynothuh? (talk) 14:00, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

here are some excellent other options:

This not only features a skyline, but also feaures the Metropolis building, and Gran Via. Negative is that it's at dusk

More of a Dark Horse candidate, this features a famous aspect of the city + the skyline and is much clearer i.e. in the mrng. But negative aspect is that it's zoomed in

Here's a bunch of choices which would not only feature skylines, but also famous sections of the city.

prolly the best example i've seen so far

here's a much superior skyline picture which is in the same section of the city as the current picture but has a better angle Becausewhynothuh? (talk) 14:17, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

I agree. I'm not thrilled with the current photo, but it is superior overall than the proposed alternative, andI would only support replacing it with an image that gives a better overview, not of a particular spot. @Cerebral726: I am not particularly thrilled it with it either but I don't think that the alternatives are better so far. Indeed, I'd say the main virtue of the current image is not focusing on a specific spot, but depicting different layers of urban development. A similar composition depicting an older section of the city could be this one. I i do feel it's far superior to the rather throwaway lead image which doesn't even have Madrid's skyscrapers like Las Cuatro Torres @Becausewhynothuh?: Huh? The so-called Cuatro Torres are depicted in that image (Torre Cepsa, Torre de Cristal, and Torre PwC plus the adjoining Caleido). Madrid is known for its wide boulevards Is it? First news. Gran Via is a rather excellent representative of Madrid as such I'd rather say Gran Vía is an excellent representative of itself (and it is quite "unique" in a Madrid context rather than "representative"). Shall the infobox include several images in a collage composition (as it is right now), a specific "iconic" spot such as Gran Vía/Callao crossing could be depicted as it is right now (in a secondary position). This seems... fitting. Still I am not sure how that translates to favoring it as the larger infobox image over a wider overview.--Asqueladd (talk) 14:45, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

I definitely feel this :

is a vastly superior option to the current choice, and if we could come to an agreement regarding this picture, I'd be very content.

Is it? First news.

Indeed it is. Here's a source : [1]

Regarding your second reply, I apologize if my logic sounded a bit bizarre. What I meant was that a picture from the angle as the current lead is too much of a generalist picture which neither shows the city skyline in a satisfying manner, nor shows those 4 towers prominently. essentially, nothing is given any significance in it and everything feels part of the background so the image just feels odd iygwim

I gotta disagree with your last reply though. I feel Gran Via is an excellent representative of Madrid because not only is it the most famous street in all of madrid, but a quick search shows that a number of websites end up having it as the lead image. While i'm not saying that we should necessarily be aping them, I just feel that Gran Via skyline image pops out in the mind as "madrid" more than the status quo. I do agree, a wider overview would certainly be the better option generally, and so the pictures I replied with all fit that metric. Kindly review them and I'd be pleased if you could please give your critiques/issue with any or your thoughts on why the image is more fitting etc. Becausewhynothuh? (talk) 08:14, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

@Asqueladd@Cerebral726 I strongly disagree that the current image that is at the top of the montage in the infobox is "inappropriate". It presents a complete and general skyline of the city, with its main symbols, such as Cuatro Torres Business Area, AZCA, Gate of Europe and Torre Picasso, etc. It may not be the best image of Madrid, but it's the best option available so far and I disagree with any changes until we find a better alternative. Chronus (talk) 06:08, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

@Chronus: I get that you are thus somewhat agreeing with the users you are pinging? Who called the image "inappropiate"?. @Becausewhynothuh?: Indeed it is. Here's a source That is not a good source by any means and it does not even directly back up your assertion.--Asqueladd (talk) 15:31, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

discussion

There is an error in the words part of the article :The factories that now surrounded the city. Wikinafia (talk) 13:31, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Lead section

I think that there is a tad too much namedropping of organizations and buildings in the introductory section. They are not essential to presenting the topic, and, in any case, they might be circunvented by a generic statement backed up by a secondary source. Do you agree on a trimming?--Asqueladd (talk) 13:29, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Royal Palaces

This page says that: The King of Spain, the country's head of state, has his official residence in the Zarzuela Palace. That confused me - I though the Royal Palace on Calle de Bailén was the official one.
The Zarzuela Palace page says that: the Zarzuela Palace is the residence and working offices of the reigning monarch of Spain, although the official residence of the Spanish royal family is the Royal Palace of Madrid. The Zarzuela Palace is on the outskirts of Madrid.
As others might be confuused too, I added that distinction to this page, taking the information directly from the Zarzuela Palace page. I phrased it as:

'The Zarzuela Palace, on the outskirts of Madrid, is the residence and working offices of the reigning monarch of Spain (King Felipe VI), although the official residence of the Spanish royal family is the Royal Palace of Madrid.'

I also added line breaks to the section, to distinguish the information about royal, presidential and parliamentary buildings. I didn't change the words.

Someone reverted my edit immediately. Does anyone else consider my edit to be no clear improvement?

Ministry (talk) 17:35, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

It was founded in 109.118.105.102 (talk) 19:03, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

La Zarzuela complex is for all purposes the formal residence of the currently-reigning Bourbon family since 1963, (meaning indeed "official" to some) and the building in which most protocolary (but not all) events pertaining the government role of the ruling monarch take place, as a proper "seat of power". As whether labelling it as official or not inline (given that you might find indeed crappy sources labelling the Royal Palace also as the "official" residence), I personally don't care (after all, the official descriptor and its dichotomy with "non-official" is perhaps extraneous to reality and not relevant in this context), but La Zarzuela is the main protocolary building and labelling it as non-official is asinine. The Royal Palace hardly features any role other than some events in which little soldiers with saber are required and the esplanade next to the Royal Palace is used. All in all, it can be summed up as La Zarzuela complex being the working offices (so much that, akin to Moncloa for government, Zarzuela is used as a metonymy for Royal House) and formal residence of the Monarch and their family (and the only one worthy of mention as a seat of power in the article).--Asqueladd (talk) 12:49, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Che ne so io 95.235.32.33 (talk) 19:37, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Climate classification

Madrid isn’t cold enough anymore, to be designated as cold semi arid דולב חולב (talk) 09:48, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

And with its vegetation and 4 seasons like conditions, it might be more of Dsa climate. But again not cold enough for it. דולב חולב (talk) 09:57, 14 March 2024 (UTC)