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Suggest to copy over updates from Menstruation_(mammal) page

I made some edits to Menstruation_(mammal) page on Jan 26 2020, detailing the difference in estrus cycle between different mammals and the possible survival advantages of the menstrual cycle. I suggest that some of that edit be copied to the evolution section of this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.255.48.166 (talk) 11:55, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Trimming some of the details on poverty + menstrual products

I've just re-arranged some paragraphs in the menstruation article that deal with poverty and access to menstrual products; I think the section should be trimmed and content moved to the sub-article on Menstrual hygiene management, in order to avoid dublication and too much detail in this overview article. It's good to raise awareness about those poverty issues but the details are better included in the sub-article. Happy to discuss before I make those changes. EMsmile (talk) 04:53, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mention the term "menstruator"?

I know this is a repetitive discussion but do you think it would be worth mentioning the word "menstruator" once in this article? Just to mention that a person who menstruates can also be called a menstruator and this includes women, girls and transgender men. Perhaps if we mention it once it's helpful (but I am happy with generally speaking of women/girls, not "persons with a vagina" or alike. I am aware of that discussion..). I thought about it after I saw that someone changed the terminology again here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Menstrual_Hygiene_Day&type=revision&diff=961511825&oldid=959761363&diffmode=source EMsmile (talk) 02:30, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mentioning it seems reasonable to me, in society and culture. Maybe this book might be a good source: https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/New_Blood/B1326g__TUEC Mvolz (talk) 13:01, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Moved some content about "society and culture"

I have just moved to here some content about "society and culture" which was so far in menstrual cycle. However, some of it should perhaps be moved on to culture and menstruation and leave a brief few sentences here. This also relates to the comment I made last year in February on this talk page (see two sections up from this one), about overlapping content regarding poverty issues. EMsmile (talk) 00:10, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Moved more content from menstrual cycle

If you're wondering why I have moved this block of text to here, please see discussion on the talk page of menstrual cycle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Menstrual_cycle#Society_and_culture_content_%28and_other_content%29_moved This is work in progress. Please help to remove repetition now. I also propose to cull down the content under "ovulation oppression" as there are other sub-articles that we should refer to but not duplicate. Anyone with an interest in this topic, please help out. Please also take part in the discussion on the talk page of menstrual cycle. EMsmile (talk) 02:29, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I responded there but then someone told me I was on the wrong page, lol. Anyway... I reverted it because it was reverted there, so it didn't get lost in the edit war. Cheers! Mvolz (talk) 13:24, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, EMsmile. Will you consider Wikipedia:Content forking#Related articles. We can't get rid of all duplication. The page says sometimes we need to duplicate a lot. LearnerB (talk) 17:47, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Changed the short description

I have changed the short description of the article, please see here. Do you agree? I tried to take away the focus from just medical aspects but also what it means for women. Happy to brainstorm to improve this further and get it right. It'll help us find consensus regarding what this article should be all about. EMsmile (talk) 12:27, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with PedroLucasDBr’s removal of a very strange short description. [1]. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:30, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Culled excessive detail on mood changes

I am proposing to delete this part, which has already been deleted from menstrual cycle. It seems to be just primary sources and way too detailed for an overview article like this one. If someone thinks some of it should be salvaged please discuss: +++++++++++++++++ The menstrual cycle phase and ovarian hormones may contribute to increased empathy in women. The natural shift of hormone levels during the different phases of the menstrual cycle has been studied in conjunction with test scores. When completing empathy exercises, women in the follicular stage of their menstrual cycle performed better than women in their midluteal phase. A significant correlation between progesterone levels and the ability to accurately recognize emotion was found. Performances on emotion recognition tasks were better when women had lower progesterone levels. Women in the follicular stage showed higher emotion recognition accuracy than their midluteal phase counterparts. Women were found to react more to negative stimuli when in midluteal stage over the women in the follicular stage, perhaps indicating more reactivity to social stress during that menstrual cycle phase.^[1] Overall, it has been found that women in the follicular phase demonstrated better performance in tasks that contain empathetic traits.

Fear response in women during two different points in the menstrual cycle has been examined. When estrogen is highest in the preovulatory stage, women are significantly better at identifying expressions of fear than women who were menstruating, which is when estrogen levels are lowest. The women were not able to equally identify happy faces, demonstrating that the fear response was a more powerful response. To summarize, menstrual cycle phase and the estrogen levels correlates with women's fear processing.^{[non-primary source needed]}^{[undue weight? – discuss]}^[2] Examination of daily moods in women with measuring ovarian hormones may indicate a less powerful connection. In comparison to levels of stress or physical health, the ovarian hormones had less of an impact on overall mood.^[3] This indicates that while changes of ovarian hormones may influence mood, on a day-to-day level it does not influence mood more than other stressors do.^{[original research?]} ++++++++++++++

References

^ Derntl B, Hack RL, Kryspin-Exner I, Habel U (January 2013). "Association of menstrual cycle phase with the core components of empathy". Hormones and Behavior. 63 (1): 97–104. doi:10.1016/j.yhbeh.2012.10.009. PMC 3549494. PMID 23098806.
^ Schwartz DH, Romans SE, Meiyappan S, De Souza MJ, Einstein G (September 2012). "The role of ovarian steroid hormones in mood". Hormones and Behavior. 62 (4): 448–54. doi:10.1016/j.yhbeh.2012.08.001. PMID 22902271. S2CID 35543332.
^ Pearson R, Lewis MB (March 2005). "Fear recognition across the menstrual cycle". Hormones and Behavior. 47 (3): 267–71. doi:10.1016/j.yhbeh.2004.11.003. PMID 15708754. S2CID 7758025.

EMsmile (talk) 12:53, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's all more about the cycle anyway. LearnerB (talk) 17:48, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Culled excessive detail on eating behaviour

Same thing as for the info on mood changes. Too much detail and primary sources. Culled. Do you agree? Anything salvageable here? +++++++++

Women have been found to experience different eating habits at different stages of their menstrual cycle, with food intake being higher during the luteal phase than the follicular phase.^[1]^[2] Food intake increases by approximately 10% during the luteal phase compared to the follicular phase.^[2]

Various studies have shown that during the luteal phase woman consume more carbohydrates, proteins and fats and that 24-hour energy expenditure shows increases between 2.5–11.5%.^[3] The increasing intake during the luteal phase may be related to higher preferences for sweet and fatty foods, which occurs naturally and is enhanced during the luteal phases of the menstrual cycle.^[3] This is due to the higher metabolic demand during this phase.^[4] In particular, women tend to show a cravings for chocolate, with higher cravings during the luteal phase.^[3]

Women with premenstrual syndrome (PMS) report changes in appetite across the menstrual cycle more than non-sufferers of PMS, possibly due to their oversensitivity to changes in hormone levels.^[2] In women with PMS, food intake is higher in the luteal phase than follicular.^[5] The remaining symptoms of PMS, including mood changes and physical symptoms, also occur during the luteal phase. No difference for preference of food types has been found between PMS sufferers and non-sufferers.^[1]

The different levels of ovarian hormones at different stages of the cycle have been used to explain eating behavior changes. Progesterone has been shown to promote fat storage, causing a higher intake of fatty foods during the luteal phase when progesterone levels are higher.^[2] Additionally, with a high estrogen level dopamine is highly effective in converting to noradrenaline, a hormone which reduces appetite, therefore decreasing food intake.^[2] In humans, the level of these ovarian hormones during the menstrual cycle have been found to influence binge eating.^[6]

It is theorized that the use of birth control pills should affect eating behaviour as they minimise or remove the fluctuations in hormone levels.^[1] The neurotransmitter serotonin is also thought to play a role in food intake. Serotonin is responsible for inhibiting eating and controlling meal size,^[7] among other things, and is modulated in part by ovarian hormones.^[8]

A number of factors affect whether dieting will affect these menstrual processes: age, weight loss and the diet itself. First, younger women are likely to experience menstrual irregularities due to their diet. Second, menstrual abnormalities are more likely with more weight loss. For example, anovulatory cycles can occur as a result of adopting a restricted diet, as well as engaging in a high amount of exercise.^[2] Finally, the cycle is affected more by a vegetarian diet compared to a non-vegetarian diet.^[9] +++++++++++

References

^ ^a ^b ^c Dye L, Blundell JE (June 1997). "Menstrual cycle and appetite control: implications for weight regulation". Human Reproduction. 12 (6): 1142–51. doi:10.1093/humrep/12.6.1142. PMID 9221991.
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f Buffenstein R, Poppitt SD, McDevitt RM, Prentice AM (December 1995). "Food intake and the menstrual cycle: a retrospective analysis, with implications for appetite research". Physiology & Behavior. 58 (6): 1067–77. doi:10.1016/0031-9384(95)02003-9. PMID 8623004. S2CID 22426030.
^ ^a ^b ^c Davidsen L, Vistisen B, Astrup A (December 2007). "Impact of the menstrual cycle on determinants of energy balance: a putative role in weight loss attempts". International Journal of Obesity. 31 (12): 1777–85. doi:10.1038/sj.ijo.0803699. PMID 17684511. S2CID 9608926.
^ Cite error: The named reference :03 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ Wurtman JJ, Brzezinski A, Wurtman RJ, Laferrere B (November 1989). "Effect of nutrient intake on premenstrual depression". American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology. 161 (5): 1228–34. doi:10.1016/0002-9378(89)90671-6. PMID 2589444.
^ Klump KL, Keel PK, Culbert KM, Edler C (December 2008). "Ovarian hormones and binge eating: exploring associations in community samples". Psychological Medicine. 38 (12): 1749–57. doi:10.1017/S0033291708002997. PMC 2885896. PMID 18307829.
^ Blundell JE (December 1984). "Serotonin and appetite". Neuropharmacology. 23 (12B): 1537–51. doi:10.1016/0028-3908(84)90098-4. PMID 6152027. S2CID 37118359.
^ Bethea CL, Gundlah C, Mirkes SJ (1 January 2000). "Ovarian steroid action in the serotonin neural system of macaques". Novartis Foundation Symposium. Novartis Foundation Symposia. 230: 112–30, discussion 130-3. doi:10.1002/0470870818.ch9. ISBN 9780471492030. PMID 10965505.
^ Dye L, Blundell JE (June 1997). "Menstrual cycle and appetite control: implications for weight regulation". Human Reproduction. 12 (6): 1142–51. doi:10.1093/humrep/12.6.1142. PMID 9221991.

EMsmile (talk) 13:00, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Again, more about the cycle. I can look at some sources to see what can be saved, though. LearnerB (talk) 17:50, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This section needs shortening: Menstrual suppression with hormonal contraception

I would like to shorten this section: "Menstrual suppression with hormonal contraception" as there are bound to be good sub-articles but I am not yet sure what to cull and what to keep. Help! I am going to take a break now for a day or two, to let others review the work that I have done here today. EMsmile (talk) 13:17, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, User:SandyGeorgia. I came across that source on the Internet. It can be supplemented with this review ("Monthly Periods--Are They Necessary?"). Or we can just use the review. Many women suppress their periods, more than ever these days, and this is something we should cover in the article. If we decide it's not to go in the management section, it can go in the society and culture section. The Guardian source can be especially used for that section. I've read WP:MEDRS (the page that keeps getting cited in the page history here and at the menstrual cycle page). So I know that the sourcing for society and culture sections typically doesn't need to be as inflexible. When talking about societal things, like a movement among women and why they are doing it, a source like that Guardian source should be fine for the society and culture section. The source, for instance, talks about feminists wanting women to embrace their periods. We can also address suppression from a purely medical standpoint in the management section (using a source like the review) and from a purely societal/cultural standpoint (using a source like The Guardian) in the society and culture section. LearnerB (talk) 20:28, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup needs

There is so much cleanup needed here, starting a section.

Delayed menarche should be investigated if menarche begins before 9 years, if menarche has not begun by age 15, if there is no breast development by age 13, or if there is no period by 3 years after the onset of breast development.^[1]. Breaches WP:NOT and WP:MEDMOS, we don’t give advice, and didn’t belong in the section it was in, so moving here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:25, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

^ Cite error: The named reference Diaz2006 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

[1] Derntl B, Hack RL, Kryspin-Exner I, Habel U (January 2013). "Association of menstrual cycle phase with the core components of empathy". Hormones and Behavior. 63 (1): 97–104. doi:10.1016/j.yhbeh.2012.10.009. PMC 3549494. PMID 23098806.

[2] Schwartz DH, Romans SE, Meiyappan S, De Souza MJ, Einstein G (September 2012). "The role of ovarian steroid hormones in mood". Hormones and Behavior. 62 (4): 448–54. doi:10.1016/j.yhbeh.2012.08.001. PMID 22902271. S2CID 35543332.

[3] Pearson R, Lewis MB (March 2005). "Fear recognition across the menstrual cycle". Hormones and Behavior. 47 (3): 267–71. doi:10.1016/j.yhbeh.2004.11.003. PMID 15708754. S2CID 7758025.

[:0-4] Dye L, Blundell JE (June 1997). "Menstrual cycle and appetite control: implications for weight regulation". Human Reproduction. 12 (6): 1142–51. doi:10.1093/humrep/12.6.1142. PMID 9221991.

[:4-5] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f Buffenstein R, Poppitt SD, McDevitt RM, Prentice AM (December 1995). "Food intake and the menstrual cycle: a retrospective analysis, with implications for appetite research". Physiology & Behavior. 58 (6): 1067–77. doi:10.1016/0031-9384(95)02003-9. PMID 8623004. S2CID 22426030.

[:02-6] Davidsen L, Vistisen B, Astrup A (December 2007). "Impact of the menstrual cycle on determinants of energy balance: a putative role in weight loss attempts". International Journal of Obesity. 31 (12): 1777–85. doi:10.1038/sj.ijo.0803699. PMID 17684511. S2CID 9608926.

[:03-7] Cite error: The named reference :03 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

[:3-8] Wurtman JJ, Brzezinski A, Wurtman RJ, Laferrere B (November 1989). "Effect of nutrient intake on premenstrual depression". American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology. 161 (5): 1228–34. doi:10.1016/0002-9378(89)90671-6. PMID 2589444.

[9] Klump KL, Keel PK, Culbert KM, Edler C (December 2008). "Ovarian hormones and binge eating: exploring associations in community samples". Psychological Medicine. 38 (12): 1749–57. doi:10.1017/S0033291708002997. PMC 2885896. PMID 18307829.

[10] Blundell JE (December 1984). "Serotonin and appetite". Neuropharmacology. 23 (12B): 1537–51. doi:10.1016/0028-3908(84)90098-4. PMID 6152027. S2CID 37118359.

[11] Bethea CL, Gundlah C, Mirkes SJ (1 January 2000). "Ovarian steroid action in the serotonin neural system of macaques". Novartis Foundation Symposium. Novartis Foundation Symposia. 230: 112–30, discussion 130-3. doi:10.1002/0470870818.ch9. ISBN 9780471492030. PMID 10965505.

[:22-12] Dye L, Blundell JE (June 1997). "Menstrual cycle and appetite control: implications for weight regulation". Human Reproduction. 12 (6): 1142–51. doi:10.1093/humrep/12.6.1142. PMID 9221991.

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 ==This section needs shortening: Menstrual suppression with hormonal contraception==
 I would like to shorten this section: "Menstrual suppression with hormonal contraception" as there are bound to be good sub-articles but I am not yet sure what to cull and what to keep. Help! I am going to take a break now for a day or two, to let others review the work that I have done here today. [[User:EMsmile|EMsmile]] ([[User talk:EMsmile|talk]]) 13:17, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
+:Hi, User:SandyGeorgia. I came across [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Menstruation&diff=1009274816&oldid=1009274641 that source] on the Internet. [https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/jul/18/women-dont-need-to-bleed-why-many-more-of-us-are-giving-up-periods It] can be supplemented with [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26431242/ this review] ("Monthly Periods--Are They Necessary?"). Or we can just use the review. Many women suppress their periods, more than ever these days, and this is something we should cover in the article. If we decide it's not to go in the management section, it can go in the society and culture section. ''[[The Guardian]]'' source can be especially used for that section. I've read [[WP:MEDRS]] (the page that keeps getting cited in the page history here and at the menstrual cycle page). So I know that the sourcing for society and culture sections typically doesn't need to be as inflexible. When talking about societal things, like a movement among women and why they are doing it, a source like that ''Guardian'' source should be fine for the society and culture section. The source, for instance, talks about feminists wanting women to embrace their periods. We can also address suppression from a purely medical standpoint in the management section (using a source like the review) and from a purely societal/cultural standpoint (using a source like ''The Guardian'') in the society and culture section. [[User:LearnerB|LearnerB]] ([[User talk:LearnerB|talk]]) 20:28, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
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