Talk:Minneapolis

George Floyd

Should the comments on George Floyd be in its own section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anastacio21 (talk • contribs) 19:56, 21 April 2021 (UTC) Anastacio21 (talk) 20:06, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

We now have content related to George Floyd in three sections. It is undeniably important, but there is no need for three separate (and to some degree repetitious) discussions. Kablammo (talk) 12:59, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Kablammo, I undid the most recent addition. If you had something else in mind please holler. Thanks. -SusanLesch (talk) 20:12, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Maybe you would edit the even more recent addition to the lead. I have no objection to its being there, only to innaccurate wording. -SusanLesch (talk) 13:33, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

We should not have George Floyd on the top of the page. It does not define the city the same way 9/11 doesn’t define New York City so much so that it’s on the top of the page Themightytouch (talk) 22:36, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Themightytouch, I disagree. There's nothing wrong with it. Also I just noticed that the assassination of Medgar Evers is at the top of Mississippi. -SusanLesch (talk) 02:23, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Additions

Hi, a few things missing from this article. Maybe someone will pitch in?

• Owamni is open  Done
• Herbivorous Butcher, vegan butchershop  Done
• tunnel collapse at St. Anthony Falls in 1869

Thank you. -SusanLesch (talk) 14:32, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Where should the Hennepin History Museum go? -SusanLesch (talk) 17:36, 17 November 2021 (UTC)  Done

More problems:

• the number of charter schools (review sources for Education: Primary and secondary)
• police section, saying 500 shootings twice is redundant  Done -SusanLesch (talk) 19:51, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
• in the Government section, we still say weak mayor  Done
• Demographics has a failed verification flag
• in Annual events, MayDay needs clarification

-SusanLesch (talk) 18:25, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Flags

Greetings, Ealdgyth. Thank you for removing flags for sister cities. They did seem to be decorative. Could you please explain though why you made this edit? MOS:INFOBOXFLAG says: Human geographic articles – for example settlements and administrative subdivisions – may have flags of the country and first-level administrative subdivision in infoboxes. This article is a human geographic article. What harm do the flag of the country and state do? -SusanLesch (talk) 03:17, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

I would like to add to the page the logo of Minneapolis, which is much more often seen here in Minneapolis than its flag, for example on public signs or on official paper. The logo is the two schematic sale boats, one solid white, one solid dark blue, both with dark blue outlines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.153.19.114 (talk) 02:03, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

207.153.19.114, yes. The logo is more familiar. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:12, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Introduction

Hello fellow Wikipedians. There has been consensus between some editors about editing the introduction to this article. The slight addition would read as follows:

Minneapolis (/ˌmɪniˈæpəlɪs/ (About this soundlisten)) is the most populous city in the U.S. state of Minnesota and the seat of Hennepin County.[6] Minneapolis is located around Saint Anthony Falls on the Mississippi River. The city, once dubbed the "flour milling capital of the world", was the industrial center of the Upper Midwest from the 1880s until about the 1930s.[7] Despite a significant shift away from industrial activity, Minneapolis still remains Minnesota’s major economic and cultural center. The city has one of the nation's best park systems,[8] with thirteen lakes, wetlands, woodlands, creeks and waterfalls, many connected by parkways in the Grand Rounds National Scenic Byway.

It has been sourced and approved by several other editors, but to come to a larger consensus please state any changes to the following statement. There has also been a strong consensus in the past about expanding the introduction and this is proposal to do so.

Thank you ~~Gooob

(User:SusanLesch)

User:Gooob, you wrote here six seconds before I did. There is no consensus for your version. -SusanLesch (talk) 15:32, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello user: SusanLesch! Any changes you have? I have talked with other editors to write this. Trying to get consensus here! ~~ Gooob (talk) 15:39, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

No. I much prefer the version we have. "Other editors" have not commented here. Please stop your disruptive editing. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:31, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback. Can we move the milling sentence (that is already written) to the top. Seems like a major part of Minneapolis. Trying to come to a comprise here. I appreciate your help making productive edits. Thank you ~~ Gooob (talk) 16:37, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Hey, I usually edit political articles but got a notification about this and read through this convo and the editor’s edits and it seems like most of that editor’s edits look like undue weight to me so I would not add what they wrote at all. but I feel like there are two things they mentioned that could be worth to add based on reading this convo and edits so I added them to the article. I feel like this is a done convo.

I have left a note on the editor’s talk page to tell him about his unconstructive edits. ~~ V3393s (talk) 17:10, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Sudden interest

Greetings. We have three new editors with a sudden interest in Minneapolis: User:JesseeV3, User:Gooob, User:Marshens. Frankly, this city has been through enough already. None of these editors even tried to reach consensus here on the talk page to make their changes. Inaccurate rewording of this long-standing article will be reverted. -SusanLesch (talk) 15:27, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello user:SusanLesch! I agree with your statements. I can not speak for the other editors you mentioned, but I have a place in the talk page consensus about an edit I have been think of! Please add changes if you have some! Thank you! ~~Gooob Gooob (talk) 15:30, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Another new editor User:V3393s seems to suddenly be interested. -SusanLesch (talk) 19:31, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

I just make an edit and comment on a talk page discussion, gave a disruptive user a warning, because I have this page starred on my watchlist. Edit has been reversed. No need for further convo. V3393s (talk) 19:37, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Changes to the lead

Greetings User:Marshens. Can you please explain the objective of your edits to the lead? I do not understand what you are trying to accomplish. Thank you. -SusanLesch (talk) 23:59, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

SusanLesch I am trying to make the lead more of a overview. See Atlanta as an example. The current lead starts off with a factoid about natural amenities, which is important but not an overview of the city\lead worthy. I combined a previously written lead that was more of an introduction (from 2019) and slightly rearranged what was already written (nothing new) to make a stronger lead. I feel like this rearranging was needed to make the article’s lead more of a lead. Hope that clarifies my objective. Marshens (talk) 00:24, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Marshens. Why would we want to copy Atlanta's lead for Minneapolis? (There are a number of good reasons why I disagree but would like to understand why you selected Atlanta.) Thanks. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:08, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

I have Atlanta as a general example. Not an exact copy. It provides, more or less, a template for what makes a good lead. The Minneapolis lead must cover what the city is known for. Like its history. Atlanta’s lead covers what they city in known for, like it’s historic center for industry, which is very similar to Minneapolis. The current one for Minneapolis is more of a factoid than a chief and important fact. Marshens (talk) 18:42, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Marshens, I still don't know why you want to follow Atlanta. Wikipedia's article for Atlanta has been rated B-class and C-class. That's not good enough to justify changing the lead in this one, which is a Featured Article. Why don't you read up on WikiProject Cities, specifically the US Guideline at WP:USCITIES? I'm sorry but you haven't been able to explain your changes, and I'll continue to revert them because they don't follow the WikiProject guidelines that we're lucky to have. Best wishes. -SusanLesch (talk) 19:35, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

I was not aware of that. Thank you for informing me. I added a very small clarification of where the confluence was. I believe what is there now is the best lead possible then. Thank you. Marshens (talk) 21:38, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Marshens, in their using Atlanta as an example, is referencing only the lede of the Atlanta article, not the entire work. They probably could have referenced a different, highly-rated article's lede. Surely, one can't be comparing the rating of the entire Atlanta article to a single, small portion of this article. 97.90.28.191 (talk) 04:04, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Possible change

While I think the current lead is fine, I've read through it a few times and thought of a potential alternative. I can see how "most populous city" might not be ideal to have in the first sentence. An alternative could be this: Minneapolis is a city in the U.S. state of Minnesota. With a population of 429,954 as of 2020, it is the most populous city in the state and the 46th most populous in the nation. The seat of Hennepin County, Minneapolis lies on both banks of the Mississippi River, just north of its confluence with the Minnesota River, and adjoins Saint Paul, the state's capital.

I would also consider moving the current third paragraph (Seven counties encompassing... to be the second; this way, the general information about the greater metro area wouldn't interrupt two more city-specific paragraphs; the one about the water features and history and the one about the music and arts scenes. This could, however, put undue weight on non-Minneapolis-specific information, so I'm not certain if it would be better or worse. --Sable232 (talk) 17:55, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Sable232, I like the direction of proposed edit you made. I do not think moving metro paragraph up help clarity. I would keep where it is. Here are my adjustment to your edit, Minneapolis is a city in the U.S. state of Minnesota. Minneapolis lies on rolling, lake covered terrain on both banks of the Mississippi River. The city is just north of the river's confluence with the Minnesota River and adjoins Saint Paul, the state's capital. The seat of Hennepin County, Minneapolis is the most populous city in the U.S. state of Minnesota and the 46th most populous city in the US.

Please edit the above with what you think best. What there now can always stay. Danyess (talk) 23:38, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

We used to have something like Sable232's suggestion, and I would support that. Sorry, I like the sound of yours, Danyess, but can't agree with your view of the terrain. "Rolling" doesn't apply to a virtually flat city. Better to stick to the facts. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:35, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

SusanLesch and Sable232, I do strong support Sable232’s changes. I add it in the article now. Thanks, Danyess (talk) 02:00, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Danyess, in the future, please do not make a change while discussion is underway. --Sable232 (talk) 22:29, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Photo for historical section?

There is no photo in the historical section, which includes the building of Ft. Snelling. It's a large section and IMO could use one, perhaps this one:

Fort Snelling 1844-Af000248

I find it interesting that there appears to be a wigwam frame in the foreground. I know that a lot of work went into this article and more than likely the editors here are well aware of all the photos that depict early history of the city, but I thought I would just put this out anyway and see if there was any interest. Sectionworker (talk) 10:20, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

That's not Minneapolis. Jonathunder (talk) 02:07, 4 February 2022 (UTC)