Talk:Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact

Reactions to the Pact in the West

There should be a section on reactions to the pact, especially among communists in the West. It was George Orwell, I think, who wrote about about a communist public speaker calling for war on Nazi Germany who learned in the course of his speech about the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact; he then defended the pact without acknowledging that he was saying exactly the opposite of what he had said five minutes earlier. Marshall46 (talk) 11:35, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Reaction to the Pact in Japan

Article totally misses the point that final document was signed the same day when Soviet forces encircled Japanese army in Nomonhan/Khalkhin-Gol. Simultaneous defeat and loss of the ally created a government crisis in Japan, where cabinet of Hiranuma Kiichiro resigned, and the new government ultimately took course on war with the US and Britan. --Tbma (talk) 17:33, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Secret protocol authenticity

I am by no means an expert on the subject, and i do not feel educated enough to engage in a highly complicated and controversial subject as the authenticity of so called "secret protocol". But though it is not mentioned in the article, it is necessary to acknowledge the fact, that there are no originals, and the presented text is a photo copy of a document, which authenticity has not been proved. Most of information stated in parts of the original Wiki article as facts ( "Modifying the secret protocols", "The Soviet war with Finland and Katyn Massacre", "Secret Additional Protocols" and so on, the list is just to long ) - are pure speculations contradicting each other, or are still in discussion. Please, if you are interested in the history of the "Molotov-Ribbentrop pact", take more time to study the sources with at least a slight scepticism. There are many specialised books and articles available - mostly very emotional and, in my opinion, un-scientific ( as i consider history to be a science, and not a tool of ideology or propaganda ). In hope to raise your interest in the subject - I ask you to analyse, compare and prove, not blindly believe.

Inkins —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.238.115.132 (talk) 17:20, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

The Soviet originals were declassified in 1992 and published in 1993. If you see any contradiction in the text of the article, please quote it here. --Illythr (talk) 20:26, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Will you kindly present the source?..

Indeed, this part was not sourced in the article. Now it is. See reference №212. --Illythr (talk) 17:51, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Essay and cleanup templates

Could anyone explain me why these templates are still in the background section? I see no problems with this section in its present form, so, if noone explain me what is wrong with background, I'll remove both these templates.--Paul Siebert (talk) 19:00, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Eastern bloc map

Could anyone explain me what was the reason to include the map of Eastern Bloc (where post WWII border are shown) into the article that deals with pre 1941 events?--Paul Siebert (talk) 15:03, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Assuming this is a serious question, it's the aftermath of what happened after the Soviet Union retook the countries ceded to it in the pact following the German invasion breaking the Pact. Most of the countries ceded to it under the Pact became Republics. At it states in its title, it reflects the changes from 1938 to 1948, from before the Pact to after the defeat of Germany, which had broken the Pact.

article to broad for the title

The principle purpose of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact Page is to describe and analyze the Pact and its impact on geo-political configurations that deal with subsequent military strategy. All else is extraneous and needs and needs to be edited out. This article goes far too long through too much lead-up, shifting it from its main purpose to an extended and -- for its purpose -- irrelevant piece of "nazi-bashing" and "stalinism bashing". The lead-up should not deal with "sidebars" such as the Spanish civil war and other the alleged atrocities. These should be put into a separate article.