Talk:Partition of India

Decline of Hinduism

This is what the source states:

"Before the partition of India in 1947, more than 20% of the population of today's Pakistan was Hindu. But many left the country at the time of partition in 1947. Today many Hindus say they are still discriminated against or forced to convert to other religions.

Today, there are roughly three million Hindus in Pakistan, or about 1.6% of the total population." [1]

It does not say it is the cause of the decline, nor does it say that Hindus are forced to convert, rather "hindus say they are forced to convert". See WP:SYNTH. This is pure original research. Also my revert to IP was for it's incorrect edit summary and removing other content on the go replacing it with this. You should self revert. --lTopGunl (talk) 18:48, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

not about content
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
But that also don't says that they are not discriminated. I will recommend YOU to self revert. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 16:09, 6 July 2012 (UTC) That version is OR... Not reverting to that. Lol, the negative does not need proof when the fact itself has not been proved. You really need to understand that. And stop following me. --lTopGunl (talk) 16:33, 6 July 2012 (UTC) I knew that you will, like always, cry "hounding". Just have a look over Regents' talk, its under my watchlist. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 16:36, 6 July 2012 (UTC) Seriously I don't care how you get to articles.... whether through watchlists or my contributions list.. you keep turning up where ever there are disputes with me to oppose me. That's not a foul cry by any defination. --lTopGunl (talk) 16:44, 6 July 2012 (UTC) Citing B of WP:BRD to make controversial edits, and then when watchers reverts, crying "hounding". Thats for sure a foul cry. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 16:49, 6 July 2012 (UTC) Hatting this as it is not about content per another user too [2]. --lTopGunl (talk) 17:35, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

• And the second source [3] also talks about Hindu leaders saying that the girl was forcefully converted and the girl her self saying that she was not, and a whole debate over the single incident. --lTopGunl (talk) 17:38, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
• (edit conflict) The third source is seemingly an opinion piece and not a very good one at that too. From the first line it shows how biased it is. Not reliable in anyway. [4]. I'd request Dwaipayanc to self revert and complete this discussion instead of keeping the poor edits in the article. --lTopGunl (talk) 17:41, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

(after edit-conflict) I read the sources of BBC, and added another source from New York Times. The sources mention that "Hindus say...". So, Pakistan government or other third parties do not say this (well, I have not searched this further, so, for the time being, I would assume no other third parties say this). So, I have changed the sentence structure to "In Pakistan, Hindus sometimes resent the discrimination and forced conversion to Islam.", and added the NYT references besides the two pre-existing references. That "Before independence, Hindus and Sikhs had formed 20 per cent of the population of the areas now forming Pakistan" has already been stated in this section with reference. I have not changed anything there. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:40, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

The NYC source, as I detailed it, states it as Hindus' opinion, the punjab news source should completely be removed and the sentence should be rephrased to "In Pakistan, Hindus sometimes resent the alleged discrimination and forced conversion to Islam." That would be anything near to what sources say as the current version can still be taken in another meaning. Also your edit summary called the removal wrong... I hope you've read the sources your self and compared it to the text that was in the article that I reverted. --lTopGunl (talk) 17:44, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Fine with me if you are that much into semantics. I agree that the Punjab news line reference should be removed (it is heavily partial). In case I find any more detail (after reading those sources thoroughly, and in case I stumble upon some other sources), I will discuss that here. Please go ahead and make the change. And yes, the removal was wrong because removal of a disputed content is not the solution (unless it is a blatant lie or attack), rather making it undisputed by modification and discussion is the solution.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:53, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I'm making the amends then. The removal part was in context because I removed it after getting no response here for two days. I made an editorial judgement of my own as I was the only discussing editor. Regards. --lTopGunl (talk) 17:57, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

How can you call that a discussion when there was no other users involved ? Thanks Dwaipayan for pitching in. -- ɑηsuмaη ^{ʈ ᶏ ɭ Ϟ} 18:17, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Exactly my point. I left that there for two days and you did not respond. When I removed it per the talkpage's silent consensus, you starting calling multiple editors of your choice. I've nothing more to say to that.. you should know better. --lTopGunl (talk) 18:22, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Treatment of minorities

Few days ago User:Pee3.14159 with this edit added some content along with a source. While reading the same source I found some more related information and added it, but it was changed to a version that is grossly misrepresentation of the source. I have tried explaining to the user to on his/her talk but this seems futile. --SMS ^Talk 19:56, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

If it is misrepresented revert it. Ih he does not listen warn him about the sanctions in the topic area, failing that file an AE. Darkness Shines (talk) 21:05, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

I fail to understand why this content is being removed:

Pakistani Hindus worst victims of rape: US report--Pee3.14159 (talk) 23:55, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

1947 India partition memorial

More than a million were killed in this migration. Total of 15 to 18 million people migrated from one to other country. Absolutely there was no law and order. British were leaving and new country Pakistan was born. Hindus and Sikhs from Pakistan were moving to India side and Muslims from India were migrating to Pakistan side. British probably should have supervised this migration.

This was not a war by any means. People were given choice to move if they wished. It could have been done in a orderly fashion. More than million people who lost their lives were totally innocent people, with absolutely no fault of their own. I would say they got into circumstances. I believe India and Pakistan governments should hav thought about a monument and historical archives at the border. At least should have promoted the idea at private level if not public. It is still time, that like minded people to come forward and let us do something. We have daily events at the wagah border and a monument along with will be a wise investment.

I am willing to work on this project but we need many more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.140.21.202 (talk) 02:51, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Proposed changes

Please list major changes here.--Crème3.14159 (talk) 21:55, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Please don't make nonsensical edits. This page is a part of the "Colonial India" template. It covers subcontinental history until 1948. I am the main contributor to this article. See here. I've been working on it for 6 years, not like you for one week in August 2013. I've added pretty much all the maps and pictures from personal copies. I know what the page is about. It is not about the status of minorities in India or Pakistan today. Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:09, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Recent changes

Would User:Crème3.14159 please explain why he thinks the treatment of minorities deserves to be in an article on partition? Darkness Shines (talk) 07:02, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I did not create the subsection. I readded it because it was unjustifiabley removed by Fowler&fowler. The reason why it needs to be there because the whole idea of Partition is based on majority-minority concept- Hindus being majority and Muslims being minority in India, and the opposite in Pakistan. Hence, it is pertinent that in the "Aftermath" section of the article, treatment of minorities be given its due place, regardless of how it makes one feel and the mention of four wars and arms race not be expunged simply because Fowler&fowler dislikes it. As far as I can see, nobody prior to Fowler&fowler's sanitization of the page had ever even proposed removing the bit about war and minorities. So, how come it is suddenly a national issue?--Crème3.14159 (talk) 08:55, 2 September 2013 (UTC)