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Mumiyo deserves a separate article

The preparation "mumiyo" or "mumie" (Russian мумиё, usually spelled simply мумие) is widely known in the Russian-speaking world, not merely among people interested in herbal medicine, but to the general public. See Russian Wikipedia article for more information: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D1%83%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%91 As things stand, the link to "mumiyo" is redirected back to this article. I think that it deserves a separate article. Thomas.Hedden (talk) 14:06, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The question I have is, how exactly is shilajit different from mumiyo or mumie? Are they actually different substances? Because everything i've seen so far seems to suggest that they are the same substance, just with a different name in different parts of the world. Silverseren^C 19:28, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(Not that you're likely to respond, since it was two years ago. But take my response as a general discussion for anyone else who wants to discuss this.) Silverseren^C 19:29, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I was asked for my opinion, but I feel I don't have sufficient knowledge or understanding of the subject matter. The fact is, there are plenty of publications indexed on Google Scholar, in English, German, or Russian, that talk both of Mumiyo and Shilajit - separately or together - and somebody with a pharmaceutical / biochemical background and an interest in "traditional medicine" can certainly write a well-sourced wiki article based on them. He'd have to be careful to explain what exactly the two terms apply to: I have not even heard the word "shilajit" until yesterday, and as far as "mumiyo" goes, it seems that the term can be applied by various authors to any form of, excuse my French, "organic shit" (by-products of bees, decomposing dead animal bodies, and, yes, transformed excrements of various animals - as well as, indeed, some mineral tar) found in mountain crevices. -- Vmenkov (talk) 19:46, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Which all makes it fairly difficult to write an article about, if you're trying to just find the sources that are speaking about one substance, not other things. I agree that an expert is needed here. Silverseren^C 19:52, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Vandalism

Most of this article sounds like an advertisement trying to sell Shilajit, and seems like it is directly copy-pasted from websites who do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.211.42.8 (talk) 03:10, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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this article makes claims about medical treatments. The highest standards of sourcing should be required. While this article has a list of sources, it's not clear what assertions they relate to. Further, a large bloc of text was added from what may be dubious websites. I've cut it down to the minimal amount that has footnoted sources. Let's not add anything more that doesn't have high quality sources with clear provenance. Will Beback talk 23:56, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion

I just removed the deletion template that was pasted up earlier today.

I disagree that with the suggestion that this article has serious enough problems with tone to be deleted, and I believe it is a worthy encyclopedic article - it has similar a similar tone as other, more notable/longer Wiki articles about other adaptogens. It does not seem to have much of an advertising tone at all to me. Maybe the reference to "rasayana material" is inappropriate in this article, however.

This article does have a problem with worthless sources, though. When I have some time I will try to fix it up, but in the meanwhile I think it should not be deleted. Allethrin (talk) 01:02, 12 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, most of the really awful material was removed, so I suppose you're right. It looked a lot more hopeless a couple days ago. 86.176.222.148 (talk) 12:55, 12 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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	This article does have a problem with worthless sources, though. When I have some time I will try to fix it up, but in the meanwhile I think it should not be deleted. [[User:Allethrin\|Allethrin]] ([[User talk:Allethrin\|talk]]) 01:02, 12 September 2011 (UTC)		This article does have a problem with worthless sources, though. When I have some time I will try to fix it up, but in the meanwhile I think it should not be deleted. [[User:Allethrin\|Allethrin]] ([[User talk:Allethrin\|talk]]) 01:02, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

			:Well, most of the really awful material was removed, so I suppose you're right. It looked a lot more hopeless a couple days ago. [[Special:Contributions/86.176.222.148\|86.176.222.148]] ([[User talk:86.176.222.148\|talk]]) 12:55, 12 September 2011 (UTC)