Talk:Treaty of Versailles

Possibly inconsistent dates on League of Nations and the Treaty of Versailles

If the League of Nations was founded on 10 January 1920, how could the Treaty of Versailles registered by the "Secretariat of the League of Nations" on 21 October 1919? It seems illogical that you can have a Secretary General for an organization that doesn't yet exit. 2601:14A:503:64C0:353E:2324:3DD1:4428 (talk) 23:37, 15 January 2022 (UTC) (ileanadu)

The Treaty of Versailles was a legal document, like any contract, that came into effect on January 10, 1920. Also, the opening session of the League of Nations took place on November 15, 1920, in Geneva. It makes sense that with the framework of the League in place in June 1919, that positions would be filled at an earlier date. Lord Milner (talk) 05:17, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Japan's reaction

Is there any reason why japan's alleged "reaction" is based on a single source that only concentrates on the racial aspects on not on anything else? The Japan section is literally reduced to that single point and nothing else so one reading this would come away with the impression that Japan only cared about race, which isn't anywhere near true. 71.191.186.166 (talk) 01:51, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

George Clemenceau

please change ((George Clemenceau)) to ((Georges Clemenceau)) 98.239.227.65 (talk) 16:34, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Done, thank you for spotting this error. DuncanHill (talk) 16:40, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Unsourced claims re hyperinflation

Under violations - reparations, the article states:

"Although the causes of the devastating post-war hyperinflation are complex and disputed, Germans blamed the near-collapse of their economy on the treaty, and some economists estimated that the reparations accounted for as much as one-third of the hyperinflation.[142]"

This is not at all supported by the source. I've seen no argument that the causes of hyperinflation are disputed by anyone or are particularly complex. According to wikipedias article on that topic, it was caused by money printing to pay for reparations and war debt. If there is disagreement on that it should be cited. Where are these economists who say reparations accounted for 1/3 of the hyperinflation? Not in the source as far as I can tell.

I think the sentence could be deleted without detriment to the article. 72.16.97.97 (talk) 13:36, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Check the wikipedia article's media portal (near the bottom of the article), submenu "cartoons" to find inflation calculated from 1921 to 2023.Lord Milner (talk) 05:23, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

I don't see how the 1921 to 2023 inflation number relates to Germany's hyperinflation? It took place mostly within the course of a year in the early 1920s.

My issue, though, is with a statement in the lead section: "The treaty's terms against Germany resulted in economic collapse and bitter resentment which powered the rise of the Nazi Party, and eventually the outbreak of a second World War." There is no direct link between the treaty's terms and the hyperinflation, which peaked because of the government printing money to support the passive resistance to the occupation of the Ruhr. I couldn't find anything in this article to support the statement either. The bitter resentment and (helping) to power the rise of the Nazis, yes, but economic collapse, no. I think the phrase should be dropped. GHStPaulMN (talk) 01:55, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Never mind. The problem was my own careless reading. My apologies. GHStPaulMN (talk) 12:07, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I agree. The inflation was caused by the massive borrowing used to finance the war (Germany fought on credit) not with taxes. In addition to that France had been forced to pay higher fees in a prior war. I would also advocate for the dropping of that sentence in the lead. Chefs-kiss (talk) 11:10, 22 February 2024 (UTC)