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Hi. I have become aware of various WMF efforts to attract new eds and I have an idea which may be worth a consideration. I feel the "Edit" button is too unappealing and inconspicuous. So much so that it does not even "register" itself on the minds of most non-ed readers. Moreover, the label "Edit" looks like something technical or boring and people may simply glide over it because of that reason, even if they see it. I think we should consider changing the label to something like "Improve this article?". IMO that would "catch" much more on people's minds, have a strong appeal, and would be more like inviting people to dinner rather than like inviting people to cook food. Just a proposal...Regards.[[User:OrangesRyellow|OrangesRyellow]] ([[User talk:OrangesRyellow|talk]]) 16:23, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
Hi. I have become aware of various WMF efforts to attract new eds and I have an idea which may be worth a consideration. I feel the "Edit" button is too unappealing and inconspicuous. So much so that it does not even "register" itself on the minds of most non-ed readers. Moreover, the label "Edit" looks like something technical or boring and people may simply glide over it because of that reason, even if they see it. I think we should consider changing the label to something like "Improve this article?". IMO that would "catch" much more on people's minds, have a strong appeal, and would be more like inviting people to dinner rather than like inviting people to cook food. Just a proposal...Regards.[[User:OrangesRyellow|OrangesRyellow]] ([[User talk:OrangesRyellow|talk]]) 16:23, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

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WMUK investigation

I suggest that it wouldn't be a good idea to allow WMUK members any input into who is selected to investigate their management practices. Cla68 (talk) 22:32, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Celebrity hairdressers

You have worked on articles about hair styles, as I recall. You may therefore be interested in the list of celebrity hairdressers which has just been threatened with deletion on the grounds that it is "a pretty textbook definition of trivia". Warden (talk) 10:28, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GOCE September 2012 drive wrap-up

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WikiWomen's Collaborative

WikiWomen Unite!
Hi Sue Gardner! Women around the world who edit and contribute to Wikipedia are coming together to celebrate each other's work, support one another, and engage new women to also join in on the empowering experience of shaping the sum of all the world's knowledge - through the WikiWomen's Collaborative.

As a WikiWoman, we'd love to have you involved! You can do this by:

We can't wait to have you involved, and feel free to drop by our meta page (under construction) to see how else you can get involved!

Can't wait to have you involved! SarahStierch (talk) 00:59, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Nomination for ED barnstar

I'd like to nominate Crisco 1492 who writes the Featured Content report for the Signpost. Besides his extensive contributions to the Signpost, he is an administrator, the recipient of an impressive collection of user awards, a contributor of numerous files to Commons, and has contributed over 50,000 edits to ENWP. --Pine✉ 04:58, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm in favour of a few more of Sue's delightful barnstars appearing on the talk pages of more editors. —Tom Morris (talk) 08:17, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia article quality

Hi Sue,

I am writing a book about Wikipedia, which will include issues about 'edit warring' and article quality. One of my respondents, who is an expert on computer science, mentions a message he sent you last year about this. I can't verify if he is correct, but my own research strongly confirms there are problems with article quality. Could I ask why his problem was not taken up by the WMF, and could I ask whether the WMF will be trying to address quality problems? Hestiaea (talk) 09:42, 11 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, Hestiaea - I'm not Sue, but I thought I could provide you with a quick calibration on this. It's not accurate to say that quality hasn't been a priority for the WMF; in fact, during our strategic planning process, we had an entire task force dedicated to Wikipedia quality. And the truth is, there's no evidence that I've seen (I mean true scientific evidence, not anecdotal gut checks) to demonstrate that there's anything about Wikipedia quality that's going the wrong way right now. If I could recommend a couple of background links: strategy:Quality/Quality and strategy:Category:Quality are pretty good places to start. Best of luck! Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 18:41, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I checked out the 'quality studies' but they are pretty old. I left a note on your talk page. Hestiaea (talk) 14:14, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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A brownie for you!

For your good arguments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Todd Akin rape and pregnancy comment controversy. Bearian (talk) 16:54, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Aw, thank you Bearian! -- and you're making good arguments there too. I generally avoid getting involved in editorial debates because it risks confusing people. (I need people to understand I'm engaging as an editor, not as ED.) But even so I've been pretty active on rape-related articles lately, because I think Wikipedia is actually quite bad in that area -- the general level of base knowledge/expertise is low. And that particular debate is extra-fraught because of the partisan politics component. So, I appreciate the brownie :-) Sue Gardner (talk) 18:41, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm puzzled you say this when Philippe says directly above "there's no evidence that I've seen ... to demonstrate that there's anything about Wikipedia quality that's going the wrong way right now". Hestiaea (talk) 14:17, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oh Hestiaea, selective quoting gets you everywhere, doesn't it? :) I rather think my quote involved more language than that... I think it was "there's no evidence that I've seen (I mean true scientific evidence, not anecdotal gut checks) to demonstrate that there's anything about Wikipedia quality that's going the wrong way right now." What Sue's done there is gut-check one topic area on the Wikipedia. That's not inconsistent with my statement at all. And further, if we are weak in an area, that does not mean that we are going in the wrong direction...wrong direction would mean degradation of quality. Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 16:26, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK, is there any true scientific evidence that there's anything about Wikipedia quality that's going the right way right now? Many of the errors in my own error of specialism have been there a long time. Why can't the WMF sponsor a serious study into accuracy? I believe there was this, but it was badly flawed, IMHO. Hestiaea (talk) 11:06, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Y'know, it was actually your talk page that led me to that AFD. I'd seen the article previously and I'd seen that it had been previously nominated for deletion, but I hadn't been aware that it had been re-nominated. :-)

Re: this comment, I guess I had two main thoughts.

The first is that I don't have an objection to the content being merged into Rape and pregnancy controversies in the 2012 United States elections. If I had realized that was an option, I would've listed it alongside Todd Akin and United States Senate election in Missouri, 2012. A standalone article on this particular Akin incident still feels excessive to me. As part of a larger discussion of the 2012 election cycle and the various comments about rape and pregnancy within it, I think the incident can be included without such undue (and disproportionate) weight.

The second thought is what struck me as I read your comment. You wear a few hats around here, one as the Executive Director of the Wikimedia Foundation and another as a regular editor. But I believe you were actually wearing a third hat in that deletion discussion: as a long-time journalist. You may very well be right about this being a defining moment in the Republican Party and for social conservatives in the United States, but we, as Wikipedians, have to be very careful about chronicling—as a tertiary source—this phenomenon (if it exists). We have to be exceedingly careful to put aside our own hopes and wishes for the future of the Republican Party (which in case of many Wikipedians, are likely aligned) and try to remain as neutral as humanly possible.

All that said, I think it's also appropriate to say (again, as necessary) how awesome it is to see you actively editing here. I know you're busy, but thank you very much for all your recent article contributions. :-) In terms of understanding Wikipedia and Wikipedians, there's little that compares to the experience of actually editing and I really appreciate that you take the time to stay involved. --MZMcBride (talk) 15:47, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

MZ, thanks. I find editing enormously satisfying -- I agree with you that it's useful for my job, but I would do it even if I weren't ED. (Although, if I were not ED I likely wouldn't have stuck it out past my first couple of hundred edits -- I would've been deterred by the usual stuff: warnings, deletions, curtness, policy creep.) I've been interested in our rape coverage since I first started reading it after the DSK accusation, because honestly I find us kind of horrifyingly ill-informed about the basics of the issue --- presumably because we are so male, and men just don't have the same direct incentive to get informed that women do. I think the individual articles improve slowly, over time, but my hope has been that by getting involved, as someone who (yes) was a journalist and covered lots of crime etc., I might help them improve a little faster. I am conscious of not wanting to confuse anybody by participating on controversial topics, but so far nobody seems to be deferring to me in any way ;-) Sue Gardner (talk) 18:13, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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for the lawyers

This website [1] is using the WMF "globe logo" as part of their own logo, which I believe is a copyright violation. Wasn't sure who exactly to bring this to, figured you would know. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:48, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Beeblebrox. :) I'll bring it to their attention. --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 21:50, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Commons issue with underage shirtless boy photos

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Commons_is_broken_-_topless_boys_edition

Please do something. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThoughtYouShouldKnow (talk • contribs) 22:47, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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GOCE November drive wrap-up

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Hi, I hope you will be joining us tomorrow afternoon at the Edit-a-thon at Tech Liminal, in Oakland. We'll be working on articles relating to women and democracy (and anything else that interests you). It's sponsored by the California League of Women Voters, Tech Liminal, and me.

If this is the first you are hearing of this event, my apologies for the last-minute notice! I announced it on the San Francisco email list and by a banner on your watchlist, but I neglected to look at the San Francisco invitation list until this evening. If you can't make it this time, I hope to see you at a similar event soon! -Pete (talk) 04:54, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Attracting new eds

Hi. I have become aware of various WMF efforts to attract new eds and I have an idea which may be worth a consideration. I feel the "Edit" button is too unappealing and inconspicuous. So much so that it does not even "register" itself on the minds of most non-ed readers. Moreover, the label "Edit" looks like something technical or boring and people may simply glide over it because of that reason, even if they see it. I think we should consider changing the label to something like "Improve this article?". IMO that would "catch" much more on people's minds, have a strong appeal, and would be more like inviting people to dinner rather than like inviting people to cook food. Just a proposal...Regards.OrangesRyellow (talk) 16:23, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Visual editor

I assume you did not intend this edit to insert nowiki tags, so you may like to let the visual editor devs know. Johnuniq (talk) 00:02, 17 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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