User talk:TheShadowCrow

Carl Lewis

I undid your edit in the Carl Lewis article again. You brought up that Emmiyan should be referred by his ethnic group however, athletes in this article are referred to by the nation they represented, not by their ethnic groups. Notice Ben Johnson is referred to as a Canadian and not as a Black Canadian or African Canadian or Jamaican Canadian. Additionally, regarding the sentence you have edited, the sentence is in context of the nation that he represented during the race, not what he would represent in the future. There should be no special treatment regarding this one particular athlete. This information is in Emmiyan's Wikipedia article anyway so there is no need to add to the Carl Lewis article which would damage the above uniformity I mentioned. As a result, I undid your edit again. BearMan998 (talk) 00:14, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Please stop adding the term Soviet Armenian for Emmiyan for this particular 1986 event. The above still applies and again, Emmiyan was representing the Soviet Union at the time, not Armenia. Even the referenced source states the Soviet Union. It doesn't say Soviet Armenian or Armenian Soviet. BearMan998 (talk) 19:18, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Once again, Emmiyan did not compete for Armenia in 1986. Again, he competed for the Soviet Union. Again, do not add this to the Carl Lewis article. This is your last warning over this disruptive editing. BearMan998 (talk) 01:16, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

An 8.86 m jump is not even referring to this event where he jumped for 8.61 m. BearMan998 (talk) 02:12, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Again the source in the article lists Soviet Union and multiple sources list the Soviet Union. It wasn't until after this 1986 event that he competed for Armenia. And the sentence you keep inserting this into refers only to a 1986 event where he only competed for the Soviet Union. BearMan998 (talk) 03:15, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

State flags

Please stop inserting state flags where they are not directly relevant as you have done several times on the Zab Judah article. It is against MOS:FLAG#Do not use subnational flags without direct relevance.--Jahalive (talk) 19:28, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Please discuss this issue. Repeatedly reverting rather than trying to resolve the disagreement by discussion is edit warring. This is prohibited by Wikipedia.--Jahalive (talk) 21:33, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

If you continue edit warring rather than discussing this issue you risk being blocked or even banned. Responding that "There's nothing to discuss." is not trying to resolve the issue. Please work toward a consensus.--Jahalive (talk) 22:11, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the flags.--Jahalive (talk) 22:17, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Re: Questions and ideas

I don't really know that much about categories, because I never had experience with them But I know that there's some program that can add categories to dozens of pages in few seconds, but I don't know what it's called.

I strongly support that idea, but I don't know how how we can put that information there. It would like ugly if we put it on two lines, like this:

Armenian SSR

Soviet Union

Another thing we can do is somehow point out the ones that are from the Arm SSR.

Also, it is really interesting for us, but I don't think this will be appropriate for wiki. I'm not really sure. --Երևանցի _{ասելիք կա՞} 01:04, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

The category looks good.

I have an Armenian book which lists all the ethnic Armenian medalists of the Soviet period and indicated the city/republic they came from. So it won't take much of a time from me. I'll try few ways of pointing out the ones from Arm SSR and chose the best one and I'll let you know before applying it.

Probably yes, you shold add the Soviet representatives as well, because anything before Atlanta 96 is considered other country.--Երևանցի _{ասելիք կա՞} 00:13, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Question for administrator

{{admin help}} How do you create categories? --TheShadowCrow (talk) 16:29, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

See:

• Help:Categories (very basic)
• Help:Category (much more detail)
• WP:Categorization

For the question just above, Wikipedia:HotCat may be what you are looking for, but I have no experience of it myself. JohnCD (talk) 16:53, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

ANI Notice

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. BearMan998 (talk) 02:31, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

October 2012

Your recent editing history at Carl Lewis shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. --Yankees76 ^Talk 14:28, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Re: Congrats!

Thanks. And I'm really surprised. Hope more media will mention it. --Երևանցի _{ասելիք կա՞} 19:46, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

To be clear on this, Novikov IS considered Armenian by most sources. In fact, Armenian Olympic Committee lists him as an Armenian olympic champion http://armnoc.am/olympic-champions-of-armenia.html

I don't think that Taimazov or Damian are Armenian, but Tavakolian and Kotzian do sound Armenian. --Երևանցի _{ասելիք կա՞} 23:55, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Robert Avanesyan

Hello TheShadowCrow,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Robert Avanesyan for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks, Thisside2 (talk) 01:57, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

The usual criterion for inclusion in Wikipedia is explained here. Very basically, we only summarise information that's already published in reliable sources that're independent of the subject. We do this to ensure both that our information is verifiable, and that it can be written neutrally. If you have any questions, please ask. Cheers, WilyD 08:05, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

It's now at User:TheShadowCrow/Robert Avanesyan - move it to the mainspace when it's ready (any earlier, and someone or another will A7 it again). WilyD 16:07, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

You should be able to move it yourself, no? WilyD 06:18, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Olympians of Armenian descent

Hi. I've removed the text & categories you've added to articles such as Hratch Zadourian, Sirop Arslanian and Michael Gostigian. The categories need to be supported in the body of the article and backed up with reliable sources to indicate that they are of the ethnic descent you've added. Please also see this for more info. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 07:46, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Robert Avanesyan for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Robert Avanesyan is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert Avanesyan until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Holyfield1998 (talk) 13:15, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

TheShadowCrow - while I didn't agree with you 100% on the Carl Lewis/Emmiyan issue, do support this article being allowed to exist. If you want to avoid having this article deleted, please ensure you post "KEEP" with a brief explanation, citing the appropriate policy as to why this article should not be deleted. WP:ATHLETE is the most likely best guideline to quote. In the meantime you should expand the article using reliable sources. I've added a few competition placings in the meantime, but this may not be enough to show there are reliable third party published articles about him - I'll leave it to you to find those. --Yankees76 ^Talk 19:35, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Arsen Galstyan

Please provide in the body of the article the evidence that he is an Armenian citizen, otherwise the category will be removed. You probably know that the Russian law requires that everybody who naturalizes into Russian citizenship has to renounce all previous citizenships. The place of birth is irrelevant. The fact that Galstyan is ethnic Armenian is prominently featured in the article (in fact, before my edits it was difficult to figure out that he is competing for Russia and not for Armenia), and this is in my view more than enough. Thank you.--Ymblanter (talk) 05:40, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Removing AfD template

Welcome to Wikipedia. Please do not remove Articles for deletion notices from articles, or remove other people's comments in Articles for deletion debates, as you did with Robert Avanesyan. Otherwise, it may be difficult to create consensus. If you oppose the deletion of an article, please comment at the respective page instead. This is an automated message from a bot about this edit, where you removed the deletion template from an article before the deletion discussion was complete. If this message is in error, please report it. Snotbot  t • c »  21:55, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

October 2012

You have been blocked from editing for a period of one month for violating your topic ban of all Armenia/Azerbaijan-related pages by editing the Mount Ararat article where there was no obvious vandalism. Add to that edit-warring and incivility towards other users (accusation of racism). You may request an {{unblock}} by putting that template on your talk page including a convincing reason why your actions do not warrant a block.. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. De728631 (talk) 23:27, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

TheShadowCrow (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPA#What_is_considered_to_be_a_personal_attack.3F

Which of thse did I do? I don't see any that I said.

2. Calling someone a vandal isn't insulting if they are vandalizing. And that's what E4024 did by removing information supported in the article. In fact, you didn't take the reference to Armenian culture off, so you must agree with me that it shouldn't have been removed.

3. I thought carefully about if I should undo his edit or not and I decided it would be ok because this is neither a BLP nor a political topic

4. I did not see how this fits in with AA subjects. You're wording on the ROA page implies editing on the page to remove vandalism is justified anyway.

5. He IS a racist http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Armenian_Secret_Army_for_the_Liberation_of_Armenia&diff=517061666&oldid=517061053

6. So, to summarize:

You said it's ok to edit AA pages to revert vandalism. (Note: Not that I was ever told geographical land thats not in Armenia or Azerbaijan falls under Armenian and Azeri topics.)

You recognize E4's edit as removal of content.

The very first sentence on the Vandalism page mentions removal of content falling under vandalism.

I did not personally attack him in any way.

His edit implies irredentism is a part of Armenian culture, which can be considered a racist statement.

So why am I banned? TheShadowCrow (talk) 00:16, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Please familiarize yourself with what is vandalism and what is not. Content disputes are not vandalism. Your topic ban only allows uncontroversial reverting of simple, obvious vandalism. The rule of the thumb here is that if someone other than the person being reverted disagrees with it being called vandalism, it's not a vandalism. Max Semenik (talk) 00:44, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

This was not an edit dispute, he purposely tried to censor the culture importance of the topic and imply that it's signifigance comes from attemptive political gain, which is actually mentioned in Anti-Armenianism. No controversy, he purposely harmed the article. By intentionally removing info, he committed vandalism, and by committing Anti-Armenianism, he committed racism. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 00:59, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

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If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Just a side note: you've already been warned here that not everything you disagree with is vandalism, which makes today's violation even more aggravated. Max Semenik (talk) 00:52, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

See above response --TheShadowCrow (talk) 01:16, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

WP:ARBAA2 sanctions made indefinite

Under the authority of Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions, TheShadowCrow (talk · contribs) is banned from all articles, talk pages, and discussions covered under WP:ARBAA2 (meaning Armenia-Azerbaijan and related ethnic conflicts) for an indefinite period, broadly construed. Violation of these restrictions will result in escalating blocks which may reach up to 1 year in length.

Given your recent block and other general indications that you will continue problematic conduct after the current sanctions expire in December, I'm extending them to indefinite. "Indefinite" does not mean permanent, they may eventually be lifted by community consensus or via appeal to the Arbitration Committee, although that will only happen once it is clear that you can trusted to edit in this area appropriately, and personally I think it is for your own good as well as the projects that you stay away from this topic area. CT Cooper · talk 11:35, 28 October 2012 (UTC)