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Deleted articles on hotel barges

Hi Zebedee I was discouraged for 5 months by the speedy deletions you performed (with Atlantic306) on my hotel barge articles. I would ask you please to reconsider these in the light of the following: 1. I have made many meaningful and in some cases extensive edits to many pages on the general subject of French and international waterways. There is much more that I could do, both on English and French pages, but doing so would be much more gratifying if I were given Autopatrolled status. That's what I would like to work towards. 2. Like most contributors (hopefully!) I am active within the subject sector, and that means that in some cases I get paid for editorial content. What I have been paid for includes being the author/editor of the most authoritative hardback book on the subject of French waterways, being an acknowledged waterways consultant and being president of Inland Waterways International. I am also a provider of maps and expertise to the United Nations Economic Commission for Europe. 3. This professional activity, partly paid for, part voluntary (IWI) necessarily involves being very familiar with many aspects of river and canal navigation, including tourism aspects. It is a part of my professional role to act as a conduit to disseminate accurate information and opinion, but that in itself is not a paid role. 4. I am not writing solely 'on behalf of (i.e to promote) any organisation'. Acting personally and independently I have already created, corrected or edited some 70 Wikipedia pages detailing the rivers and canals of France. It's a matter of pride and enthusiasm that such pages should (a) be created and (b) be correct. 5. I am now similarly engaged in editing and correcting pre-existing Wikipedia pages about hotel barges in France and adding to that pre-existing number so as to provide a comprehensive non-selective view of this entire sector of French waterway tourism. It's a matter of personal as well as (marginal, incidental) professional interest. The more pages, the less any one barge stands out. I edited and completed the list on the Hotel Barge page, but the intention is to add barges only when the link to the individual barge page can be entered. Each barge is distinctive and notable by virtue of its history, its fitting out and the nature of the product offered to clients. I would underline that there is worldwide interest in this form of 'slow tourism', so the pages will be read. 6. My content focuses on the factual nature and technicalities of the vessel and also includes information about the barge from a current operational and tourism perspective. Hotel barging forms as small but measurable element in the French tourism sector, from an economic point of view. Links and references included are non-exclusive or discriminatory, moderately covering key sources and aspects. 7. In many respects, as commercial products, hotel barges differ little from bricks and mortar hotels, of which there are many subject Wikipedia pages, both for the hotels individually and the corporations behind hotel groups. This is an entirely legitimate subject of public interest and should not be the object of 'financial gain' scrutiny, which I would respectfully suggest does not stand up in this instance. Thank you in advance for considering. This needs to be resolved so that we can move on, in the interests of many people and organisations active in this field. David-waterways (talk) 19:57, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi David-waterways, I confess I don't recall what this is about right now - I've been involved in a lot of deletions in the past five months. I'm also going to be busy for the next couple of days, but after that I'll check up on these articles and try to suggest a way forward. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:20, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

References

I was wondering if you could offer a bit of oversight on my ANI

Apologies if this is not the ideal/correct medium of contacting you. The user Hijiri 88, has gotten himself involved in my ANI (viewable here) and has made a number of accusations and assertions that I feel are unhelpful, not in line with WP's principles and are generally obnoxious. While I accept being at fault for a number of edits I made and the manner in which they made; I feel bigoted assertions about my nationality, topics of previous talk page discussions, unsubstantiated assertions about my beliefs and conspiracy theories are irrelevant to the discussion and would damage the ability to have a fair judgement regarding my ANI. When you are available, would you be able to offer your opinions on this ANI as well as judge if Hijiri 88's comments are legitimate points for an ANI? Brough87 (talk) 14:31, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Boing, note that the above editor appears to have contacted you based exclusively on your nationality, as they have never interacted with you and clearly don't know anything about my prior interactions with you (which were all positive -- why would he contact you if he were trying to get me in trouble?). I have no idea how he knew you were British -- I didn't, it doesn't apparently say so on your user page, and I had to search your talk archives to verify what I suspected to be the case based on your having received the above message. (User:Zzuuzz was contacted in a similar manner, but their user page is in Category:Wikipedians in the United Kingdom, and they have indirectly interacted with Brough on several occasions.) It's entirely possible that this is not about getting me in trouble but merely about canvassing editors who he feels might !vote a particular way. Admin-shopping based on the ethnicity/nationality of the admin is pretty slimey and was one of the reasons this guy got indeffed.

Anyway, I've had just about enough of this editor's deflection, IDHT and off-topic personal attacks, so I'd rather have nothing more to do with this whole affair. I may identify as both Irish and Celtic, and know more about the history here than the average Wikipedian, but I rarely edit Wikipedia articles on it and don't really care to get too involved. Editors whose user page include the "This user is a nationalist" userbox and whose edits seem to denigrate other nationalities their self-identified nationality has historically conflicted with just really need to be treated with care. (Edit-warring over one's assertion that the Irish are a "Germanic people" is clearly unacceptable, though.)

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 22:17, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

• Folks, I'm not getting involved in this, sorry. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 03:36, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Want to be unblocked

Hello, Boing! said Zebedee. I'm User:MegaCyanide666 was blocked for abusing socks long ago. I'm only commenting because I've lost access to my accounts and don't remember the password. I hope this comment won't be taken against me because I don't know of any other choice.

I've shifted my internet connection since then so you might not recognize me. Since then, I did edit Wikipedia often and I honestly did create a few accounts whose passwords I forgot. But I haven't been editing for the past many months. I'll like to get back on Wikipedia however I don't remember any password of any account. I hope after so much time I can be forgiven. if you could help me in recovering the password or letting me create a new account if I can't access it any more. Thank you. 210.56.124.130 (talk) 11:41, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Also tagging Dennis Brown for transparency. 210.56.124.130 (talk) 11:46, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Oh, that was a long time ago - nearly six years. I don't think commenting here as an IP should be held against you in the circumstances, as you sound like you're being honest about it and not engaging in any deceptive block evasion. I'm very much a believer in giving people second chances, especially after such a long time. I'm probably going to be busy for the rest of the day, but I'll give some thought to this as soon as I can. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:55, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. But I can't access my account nor remember the password, so what should I do? 210.56.124.130 (talk) 11:57, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure right now - leave it with me. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:59, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. My new broadband, well comparatively new, stops working sometimes and I usually only access net once a day. So it might take a lot of time for me to respond. Please do let me know when you make a decision, and thanks again for helping. See you. 210.56.124.130 (talk) 12:03, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

I thought of this. Can accounts be merged? If not, you can allow me to create an account and tag MC666 as my sock. Except the main one, I don't even remember any other account now. Besides my work schedule isn't regular, so the sooner I can plan the best time, the better. Hope I don't sound like I'm rushing you. 210.56.127.78 (talk) 05:53, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Please be patient - I have a couple of other Wikipedia matters that need my attention first. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:15, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

• I'm guessing I was pinged because of my blocking of the sock User:ThePariahOne and my participation in the original case. I think the Standard Offer applies here, and my suggestion would be to log in to the original account and make a request that can be pasted to WP:AN or WP:ANI. (without prejudice to the fact that you are technically violating policy here: like Boing, I understand this limited engagement.) I recommend WP:AN, which is a slower, more deliberative board, but the choice is yours. If I'm giving advice, I would advice not asking to combine accounts (we can't do that), and I would advise to volunteer to restrict yourself to a single account for 12 months. Also, you need to fully address the reasons for the block, accept responsibility, and briefly explain how you will avoid future issues, as well as what you expect to edit if you are unblocked. I have no opinion on unblocking at this time, this is just advice on how to proceed and have a snowball's chance at success. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 10:04, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Hi Dennis, the problem is he hasn't got his original password any more. I was going to have a word with you and see if you'd support unblocking the original account per SO, and then he can create a new account which should be linked to the old one. I was thinking you and I can decide this, being the blocking admins (the only other one has retired) rather than having to drag it through AN? After all, it's been quite a long time and it was only a bit of silly vandalism rather than any longer-term problem. What do you think? (I agree with your other conditions.) Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:16, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
    • I haven't had time to fully investigate to the degree I would like, and yes, that was some time ago. There were some CIR concerns but that might have been age or immaturity. Since socking is at play, I would prefer (but not require) that a CU take a peek. I would require linking the new account to the old if we aren't using the original master account. A 1 minute block with the proper summary is a pretty effective way to put it in the log, as is putting it on the user page for at least one year. Not trying to be hard, but I do think the first year needs a higher level of accountability, then if all goes well in a year, we can brush off the restrictions. Otherwise, I would defer to your judgement, particularly since you are really the blocking admin, I was just cleaning up. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 14:49, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
      • Thanks Dennis. I'm not sure CU would help much as the old accounts are stale, and I am impressed that he's come back and asked here when he could have just started a new account with little chance of detection. I agree with a probationary 12-month period, with linking of accounts and with a 1-minute block for the log. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:47, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

I would have made a request from my account had I been able top access it but I have lost the password and there's no email if I remember right. That's why I commented seeing as you are personally acquainted of the kinds of actions I did. When I asked for account mergers it was on the ground if there was any other way for you to open access to my account and people know some of the edits I made. Hope you didn't misunderstand why I asked it.

I did vandalize, edit-war sometimes and evaded blocks both for editing and abusing you in the past. I usually edited video games and related mass-medium in the past and would likely do so again. I will avoid any instances of my past bad behaviour. I won't create any accounts, so hopefully you trust me. 150.129.199.152 (talk) 14:47, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

OK, I'll lift the sock block on User:MegaCyanide666 and then re-block as password lost with a talk page comment, which should clear the record for a restart, if you'll accept these conditions:

• Only 1 account for a minimum of 12 months.
• You tell me the new account here, and you declare on its userpage that it's a fresh start from MegaCyanide666 - I'd be happy to add a comment confirming it.
• For the record, I'd log a one-minute block on the new account to state the MegaCyanide666 connection.
• You consider yourself under probation for 12 months from the start of the new account, and accept that any bad behaviour could lead to an indefinite block.
• After 12 months, all these restrictions would expire and you'd be as free as any other editor.

Let me know if you're happy with this and I'll make it so. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:47, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

I've done it. I wanted to edit when I got the time. When I remembered my accounts, I thought of taking the risk and coming out clean. I'm not going to repeat any of my old behaviour as that will be suicidal. I've created a new account and declared of being MC666 who was blocked for edit-warring and abusing and that I later socked, but have lost access. Thank you. DraculatheDragon (talk) 14:35, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

No need to restore the talk page, as I remembered people can see it from history page. I just have one question though: Why are you asking me to edit from one account for 12 months? I don't understand the condition as it is already illegal to use more than one, so of course I can't use it. DraculatheDragon (talk) 15:02, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Question

Do you know why this edit that I thought I had revdeled is still visible? It seems impervious to deletion. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:59, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

I noticed that you'd rev-deleted one revision, but you hadn't actually removed any of the content from it - so whatever was originally there was still there in subsequent revisions. I removed the email accusation and then rev-deleted several revisions, and it looks OK to me now with the deleted revisions appearing deleted. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:17, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Daniel Ashley Holliday

better you than me.-- Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Perceived_Legal_Threat_Daniel_Ashley_Holliday-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 04:16, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

:-) Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 04:16, 14 May 2018 (UTC)