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Hello Hugo999, I note that you have contributed to Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/governments in the past, are you willing to join me in re-creating it? It is no longer in use and New Zealand politics articles in general need substantial improving. Drop me a line if you want to help: There is work to do! Kiwiteen123 (talk) 21 May 2024 T 13:00 (UTC)
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April 2014
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Species described in year categories
Hi! Thanks for paying some much needed attention to the species described in year categories. I undid a few of your edits, however. I note that the category hierarchy goes: Plants described in the XX century > Plants described in the XXXXs > Plants described in XXXX. The individual year categories should not be directly included in the century categories. E.g. this edit included the category in Category:Plants described in the 18th century when it's already in the child of that category, Category:Plants described in the 1750s. Think you could fix that? Thanks! Rkitko (talk) 03:27, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
- Re Category:Plants described in 1753 being in both the decade and century categories, a decade of 10 years is too small to be convenient; which is why for countries the year eg Category:1864 in Australia is in both Category:1860s in Australia and in Category:Years of the 19th century in Australia so that the latter category displays all of the years for a century. Perhaps just delete the intermediate “decade” categories? Hugo999 (talk) 21:57, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
- I'm open to the possibility of deleting the decade categories. At the time when I created them, I was following the parallel structure in the animal categories. See also: Category:19th century in science >> Category:1810s in science >> Category:1819 in science. If you'd like to change how the structure work, this may require a standardization across many different categories. I'm not quite certain the best place to have that discussion would be. Perhaps Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories?
- I would note that while Category:1864 in Australia is in both Category:1860s in Australia and in Category:Years of the 19th century in Australia, it is not directly in Category:19th century in Australia. The equivalent Category:Years of the 19th century in plant species descriptions (not the best title?) does not exist. My point remains that it does not appear to be standard practice to place the year category in both the parent decade category and the grandparent century category. Cheers, Rkitko (talk) 13:42, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
- Adding my thanks for upgrading these categories with the nifty Category in year template. I too followed existing examples when I made the fungi year-by cats, but have no strong feelings about how these should be organized. I wouldn't mind if the intermediate decade categories were removed. Sasata (talk) 16:43, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
- The decades in science categories have very few articles covering decades, with most of the content being subcategories by year, hence I think the decades subcategories for “Species etc described in” could be abolished and Species etc described by year being a subcategory of Species etc described by century. This contrasts with television where some national decade categories are not broken down by year but contain only articles eg Category:2000s American television specials or Category:2000s British television series Hugo999 (talk) 22:35, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Brunelleschi
Brunelleschi was a Renaissance architect, and a Renaissance engineer. In fact, he was your archetypal Renaissance Man. Please recategorise accordingly. Also, although he was born in the late 1300s, his career didn't take off until 1401, precisely. So he can just be listed as a 15th-century person.
When you are dealing with the 1400s, then there is a merge into the Renaissance. In Florence, the break is 1401. In most other countries it is at least 100 years later, but may be more. You need to read the first paragraph of the biography in order to see how the individual is described in the text. Even in Italy, there were a handful of painters who stuck with the Medieval style into the 1400s. They will be described as International Gothic, and can be safely categorised as Medieval. Amandajm (talk) 09:46, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
There are some categories of Renaissance people by occupation (artists and writers), but why not add the categories and appropriate names to List of Renaissance figures eg separate out architects from artists; add sections for engineers, and for scientists (which seems to have disappeared, as Galileo Galilei was in it). The Middle Ages is categoriesed as from the 5th to 15th centuries inclusive; and I aimed for engineers by period to have Ancient engineers, Medieval engineers and 16th to 19th century engineers ie a complete range. The Renaissance seems to be categorised over several centuries, 14th to 17th centuries. Hugo999 (talk) 23:02, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
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This Renaissance building by Brunelleschi predates John Wastell's building by nearly a century. Early 1400s. (The spire doesn't belong to this building) -
John Wastell's Medieval gatehouse at Canterbury Cathedral, early 1500s.
- It is reasonable to categorise Medieval engineers and architects as including the 15th century. But you cannot include Brunelleschi as either a Medieval engineer or a Medieval architect. He was neither. To categorise him as Mediaeval on the basis of a date is seriously misleading.
- The dates of "Renaissance engineer" and "Renaissance architect" need changing to begin at 1400. Having done that, then the architects and engineers need to be carefully sifted to find out what category they fit into.
- Similarly, Medieval architecture and engineering continued in England into the 16th century with Henry VII being the patron of the the most innovative Late Medieval building Henry VII Chapel, with Medieval engineering techniques developing in step with the architecture.
- You cannot use a single date to separate Medieval from Renaissance. The dates have to overlap, with the regions, styles and individual architect/engineers being taken into account. Brunelleschi cannot be categorised as Medieval, either as an architect or as an engineer. On the other hand, John Wastell was still designing Medieval structures in England as late as 1530 and cannot be categorised as Renaissance.
- Also, in Italy there was a very clean break between buildings that were Medieval and those that were Renaissance in style. This was often a very conscious decision on the part of an architect, like Brunelleschi. In places further removed from Florence styles and forms. This is typical of the introduction of Renaissance architecture to France and Spain.
- Amandajm (talk) 01:26, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
How about putting the Italian engineers into new categories Category:15th-century engineers, and possibly also Category: Renaissance engineers if there enough engineers to justify it? The Renaissance seems to involve Italy enough to warrant a new Category:Italian people of the Renaissance period similar to Category:German people of the Renaissance period (which is in the categories 15th, 16th and 17th century German people, though the Italian category could be extended to the 14th century). Hugo999 (talk) 04:16, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
- The Renaissance began in Italy. There are certainly enough people to warrant Category:Italian people of the Renaissance period.
- The word "period" is superfluous. It should be removed from the German category. It implies that there is a beginning and an end date (like the "Victorian Era" which can be dated very precisely to the lifetime of a monarch). The category "German people of the Renaissance period" should be removed to "German people of the Renaissance".
- In the case of Italy, there is a sculptor Nicola Pisano and a painter Giotto who were essentially Renaissance artists, and both of whom were born in the 1200s. They are sometimes referred to as "Proto-Renaissance" artists.
- I don't think "15th-century engineers" is a good one. "Renaissance engineers" is better because it should start with the 15th-century Brunelleschi. The dome of Florence Cathedral, which was completed in the Gothic style (as Brunelleschi was obliged to do by the committee) was none-the-less engineered by a man who had studied the engineering of Ancient Rome. This is what made him a Renaissance man, not a Medieval one. He employed new techniques, he designed all his own machinery, he did away with traditional Medieval engineering methods, he was the overseer to the whole job, he organised his construction workers in an exceptionally efficient manner. He transformed the whole notion of the way in which major building projects were organised. Brunelleschi was the first architect and engineer in the modern sense.
- Amandajm (talk) 04:18, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
- There is another thing that I must say. You have suggested "separating out" the various Renaissance people into different categories. The essence of the Renaissance Man defies this. Read the article on Leon Battista Alberti. Leonardo was not alone. Amandajm (talk) 03:51, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
- Have created the category Category: Renaissance engineers for Renaissance engineers ie in the 15th (medieval) , 16th & 17th century categories. But several Renaissance categories are subdivided by nationality eg Category: Renaissance painters (Cretan, Dutch, Flemish, German, Italian, Portuguese & Spanish). Likewise Category: Renaissance writers (English, Italian, Portuguese, Romanian & Scottish). So in Britain they prefer writing to painting? Hugo999 (talk) 23:54, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
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Lake Atitlán
I have changed your edit on this article dated 14 November 2013, which included Lake Atitlán in the category Volcanic calderas of South America. It does not belong there, as Lake Atitlán is located in Guatemala, hence in Central America, not in South America by any possible criterion or definition. I have changed it to Volcanic calderas of Central America, which is correct. There was another mistaken categorisation there that I have also changed, but that was not made by you. --UrsoBR (talk) 19:20, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
Categorisation
Hi Hugo. I see you've been doing a lot of recategorising recently. I do wonder what the point of categories like Category:1963 elections in Austria are, when they only contain one article. Personally I find categories like Category:1963 elections in Europe useful, as you can see several elections at once, and taking articles out of them makes it more difficult to see what's there. I've started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Categorization#Creating categories for one article. Cheers, Number 57 11:27, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
- Austrian elections pre-1980 were sometimes in cat 19xx elections in Austria (1949, 1953)) & sometimes in cat 19xx elections in Europe (eg 1956, 1959). Hugo999 (talk) 11:40, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
- And I've reverted your addtion of Battle of Badon, which may never have occurred and which we can't date precisely, to a deleted category (because it was empty) Category:500 in Europe. I can't see any good reason to have such a category and would probably take it to CSD if it is created. Sorry about that. Dougweller (talk) 15:03, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
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Huntering
In answer to your question:
- George Hunter (grandfather) merchant and mayor — call him mayor like you have done
- George Hunter (son) — call him merchant he was an MP only 8 years
- George Hunter (grandson) — call him landowner or MP or politician or whatever. He was an MP something like 22 years and co-owned a good chunk of southern HB.
See, its easy really and I'm no relation to any of them.
I don't like to carp (its a big and worthwhile project) but calling someone a politician when they served one brief term in parliament (as so often happens) does not seem right to me. They must have done something else as well in their (theoretical) 3 score and 10.
Cheers,
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