User talk:DarknessShines2

Nguyen

I want to delete those incorrect infomation from the Nguyen article.

This surname is not originally Chinese. So, there is no point to put some Chinese legends here. Plus, there is no way to prove the correctness of some unknown legends. People might have some misunderstandings that 40% Vietnamese are Chinese which is not true. Nguyen is a Vietnamese surname, NO Chinese.

This article is about Nguyen, a Vietnamese surname. So, there is no point to put some notable Ruan people here. List the notable Ruan people in a Ruan article, please. Notable Ruan people has nothing to do with Nguyen article. Ducdung (talk) 15:24, 7 April 2010 (UTC+8)

May 2010

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, one or more of the external links you added to the page Star Trek: The Next Generation: Birth of the Federation do not comply with our guidelines for external links and have been removed. Wikipedia is not a collection of links; nor should it be used as a platform for advertising or promotion, and doing so is contrary to the goals of this project. Because Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, external links do not alter search engine rankings. If you feel the link should be added to the article, please discuss it on the article's talk page before reinserting it. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you.Template:Do not delete Please don't add information without a reliable secondary source (WP:V, WP:RS), and do not put external links into the body text.  Chzz  ►  16:06, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

The link is reliably sourced, please look at the article thank you mark nutley (talk) 16:23, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

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U.S. Space Exploration History on U.S. Stamps

Greetings Mark

I am amazed that you found the New Page...only five minutes after it was first launched! Do you have some sort of 'radar' that alerts you to new articles? Amazing. I am also working on a quite larger page in my user space: American History on US Postage Stamps. If you have the time check in and leave any thoughts on the discussion page there. Thanks for the encouraging words. All the best. GWillHickers (talk) 23:48, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Mortarism

Hello Marknutley. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Mortarism, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Statemaster is a mirror site - what you found there is their copy of an earlier version here; so it's not a copyvio. However it is a G$ - repost of material deleted at AfD - and I will zap it as such. Thank you. JohnCD (talk) 21:52, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Ok man, wish you had posted like two minutes ago as an ip removed the tag and i reverted him :) mark nutley (talk) 21:54, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Tagging Articles for Creation submissions for deletion

Hi DarknessShines2, according to the edit history you tagged an article , Chemist's Ring, for deletion. This article was also tagged with:

{{AFC submission|||ts=dated and time|u=Username|ns=0}}

Articles tagged with this tag are Article for Creation submissions. If the article is in mainspace it should be moved to

Draft:Articlename and the redirect should be tagged for deletion. The article tagged for deletion has been moved to the Article for Creation space and the deletion tag has been removed. Misplaced submissions are automatically tagged with a misplaced Articles for Creation template. This template will appear at the top of the page. Before deleting articles please check for this template. Thank you.

--Alpha Quadrant (talk) 22:34, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Charles R. Chickering

Hi Mark, thank you for your help. I am trying to find biographical information on Chickering. Every time I have searched I encounter numerous examples of his work, esp at the Smithsonian Postal Museum, but alas I have yet to find anything that covers the man and his career at the Bureau of Engraving and Printing. Even the B.E.P. has little to no info' (that I have found) at their website. If you should encounter such info in your travels please inform me. Again, many thanks. GWillHickers (talk) 17:49, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Regarding your restrictions, and a possible breach of these....

Per these restrictions - Have you checked this with an independent editor in good standing? Neither Orlowski's blog in The Register nor Pielke Jr.'s blog are mainstream media. --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 16:22, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

The register is a main stream newspaper is`nt it? And Pileke is reliable per wp:prof so i figured that would be ok to use, is there actually a problem with either ref? mark nutley (talk) 16:54, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

No, The Register is not a "main stream newspaper" - its not even a newspaper. And you are specifically barred from taking a stand on whether something is a reliable source or not (within the sanction area) - please read your sanctions again and try to understand them. I suggest that you revert yourself - since you are in breach of your restrictions. --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 17:13, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

MN, I advise you to back down on this rapidly if you don't want an enforcement request William M. Connolley (talk) 17:14, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I have filed an enforcement request, as I was unaware that you were yet again using blogs as sources. You can find it at Wikipedia:General_sanctions/Climate_change_probation/Requests_for_enforcement#marknutley. Hipocrite (talk) 17:29, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Wow thanks hipocrite you gave me all of half an hour, nice one mark nutley (talk) 18:02, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

You should have done it immediately when i pointed out that you were in breach of your restrictions, restrictions are not there for fun (as you should know, since this isn't the first time that you've been in breach of a sanction placed). It is your responsibility to adhere to the restrictions put upon you. Personally i'd have notified NuclearWarfare who placed the restrictions, and asked for you to be blocked for a short period of time - since this isn't the first time that you have failed to adhere to restrictions placed upon you, in the hope that you may finally understand that such restrictions aren't there for the "fun of it". --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 18:11, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

There is fuck all wrong with those refs and sources and you know it, all were atributed correctly, your only problem is that you want the article deleted and are looking for any excuse to remove content mark nutley (talk) 18:14, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Mark, please calm your language down. I am not the one who is in breach of a sanction, you are. Rules are not here for "fun", and to be broken when ever you feel it is "Ok". Your comment here is indicative of you not understanding that. There is the "fuck all" wrong with the sources, that you aren't allowed to introduce them into an article. - as simple as that. (ie. it doesn't matter one single iota whether they are attributed, reliable or not - you can't introduce them, per your restrictions). --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 18:30, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Don`t tell me to calm down, i have followed the rules as laid down, you know those sources are fine and i have done nothing wrong, do me a favour and just go away i`m fed up of this constant shite mark nutley (talk) 18:38, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Mark, you haven't "followed the rules as laid out". The rules for you are: "Marknutley is prohibited from introducing a new source, with some exceptions such as articles published in peer-reviewed journals, books published by a well-regarded academic press, or newspaper articles published in the mainstream media, to any biography of a living person or any climate change article without first clearing the source with another long-term contributor in good standing." - and both of the sources you introduced failed that. --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 18:43, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Advice: this [1] is the wrong response (as is the above). If you want people to think that you understand the difference between various sources, you need to show it. Trying to brazen this out is doomed William M. Connolley (talk) 18:14, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I am not trying to brazen it out, i am being honest. Why not tell me what is wrong with the ref`s? exactly were in your opinon are they wrong? mark nutley (talk) 18:23, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I can, but you have already been told. You need a bit of introspection at this point. The purpose of your sanction was to prevent you introducing dodgy refs. You are now in some danger of demonstrating that you can't tell dogy from non-dodgy, hence H's proposed extension. What I write as a comment at the RFE (whether you care or not is another matter of course) depends on whether you manage to work this out for yourself, or not. At the very least I strongly suggest you strike your existing statement as a holding measure, and go talk to Cla, or LHVU, or someone you trust William M. Connolley (talk) 18:29, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Mark, this is the wrong question to ask. It is not whether the sources are reliable or not that is the question - it is whether you broke your editing restrictions. And that is what you should focus on. A good reply at the enforcement board would have been: Ooops - won't happen again - i've self-reverted and raised it on talk. --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 18:37, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I can`t self revert, i saw your message, asked a question to get clarification had me dinner and then hipocrite had already filed an rfe and reverted the stuff out. Fuck this shit you guys can keep the cc articles and shove them. I`m happy doing articles on books were i don`t get fucking hounded and abused all the time mark nutley (talk) 18:41, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Of course you can't still self-revert, that isn't prohibited by Hipocrites action. --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 18:44, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Ok now you have confused me, how can i self revert something which is already reverted? Bearing in mind i can only do 1r and am not allowed to reintroduce an edit which has already been reverted? mark nutley (talk) 18:49, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Ah, sorry. I hadn't seen that Hipocrite reverted you. So you are left with "Ooops sorry, i would have self-reverted if i could, but H beat me to it. It won't happen again ... <something about understanding the restriction>". (but really you should be the one doing it - instead of complaining that the world is unfair) --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 18:55, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Notice of page ban

Under Climate Change general sanctions, I hereby inform you of the following result of a recent complaint about your edits:

• Marknutley (talk · contribs) is prohibited from introducing a new source to any biography of a living person or any climate change article without first clearing the source with another long-term contributor in good standing.

This sanction may be appealed to myself, the appropriate noticeboard or the Arbitration Committee. The Wordsmith^Communicate 19:13, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

No mark nutley (talk) 19:14, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

"No" what? ...

Mark, take this seriously. Play by the rules, even if you think they are unfair, or don't play at all. You cannot introduce sources at all any more unless you get someone else to vet them. Ask Cla. Ask me. Ask anyone. But ask. Or you'll be in even more trouble. That's just how it has to be. ++Lar: t/c 21:06, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

I have played by the rules, the wp:rs rules, all the sources i used passed those rules, the last rfe was a vindictive request and not even needed, i would have self reverted in given the chance. I have asked The Wordsmith to review the new restrictions if he upholds it then i will consider the situation then, but for now it`s no mark nutley (talk) 21:17, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

You are subject to additional restrictions. You have to abide by those or take the consequences. Again, I'm happy to review any source you bring me and offer a good faith assessment of it. ++Lar: t/c 21:40, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

mn, you can't push the boundaries on something like this. Just like WMC, everything you do is going to be watched like a hawk. You added a new source to an article that is clearly beyond the restrictions (the blog). The only exceptions in the restriction are "articles published in peer-reviewed journals, books published by a well-regarded academic press, or newspaper articles published in the mainstream media". WP:RS is superceded for you by those restrictions, so you cannot rely on that to justify an edit. If it's a new source to the article, and not clearly exempted fro teh restriction, you need to get it checked. Ravensfire (talk) 21:51, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Ok would either of you take a look at the sources and tell me if they were used appropriatly and if they are in fact reliable? mark nutley (talk) 22:02, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Which, the three below? For starters, 1 and 3 are blogs. What specifically makes them reliable? (there are a few limited exceptions to the no blogs rule)... please explain why they qualify and for what purpose. 2 reads like a blog too although it's at The Guardian so I'd have to dig deeper. I can, if those 3 are indeed what you have in mind) ++Lar: t/c 22:37, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes the three below, the two blogs are reliable per wp:sps which says Self-published material may in some circumstances be acceptable when produced by an established expert on the topic of the article whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications Steve McIntyre and Roger A. Pielke, Jr. fall into this catagory. The other is The Register which is used as a source in hundreds of article on wp, it is a blog on there by Andrew Orlowski which is perfectly ok to use if attributed, you can see the text below it is mark nutley (talk) 22:42, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

As MN says, #2 is El Rego, not the Grauniad. And no, El Rego is not an RS William M. Connolley (talk) 22:44, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

You`d best get busy then as it is used as a ref in hundreds of articles on WP mark nutley (talk) 22:46, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

The Register is going to be hit and miss, especially by subject area. For commenting on tech, it's pretty darn good. Several of its satire pieces have gone beyond "just" an article to a meme do to their popularity and spawning imitations. For something like this, I'd question it as a source. You want sources from people in the field. For the others - see WP:BLPSPS (as noted by Arthur Rubin below) Ravensfire (talk) 00:21, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Steve McIntyre wrote on Climate Audit that "Caspar and the jesus paper" a summary written on the blog was, "a detailed narrative written in a lively style of a story that’s been followed here for a few years and re-visited last week with the release of the Ammann SI".

Another summary titled "The Yamal Implosion" was praised by Andrew Orlowski who said "read this fascinating narrative by blogger BishopHill" and by Roger A. Pielke, Jr. who said, "And if you don't know what this is about, good luck catching up to speed (but if you want to try, there will be no better place than Bishop Hill's recounting)"

This aint no joke? I assume de:Gore-Effekt needs some further translations. Polentario (talk) 23:58, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

(to MN) WP:BLP has an exception to WP:SPS. SPSs are never considered reliable when BLP material is considered. Some "blogs" are actually edited by a reliable source's editorial staff, so those would still be WP:RS in this context.

I'd also be willing to vet references for you, if I happen to be on at the time. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 00:03, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

The Pielke and McIntyre blog posts cannot in general be used as reliable sources. The Register can with attribution. Keep in mind, however, that many Wikipedians dislike the Register for a number of reasons, perhaps because it often criticizes Wikipedia, so you may enounter some resistance when using it. Cla68 (talk) 00:55, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

• Appeal to ArbCom. This is the definition of censorship or it is the invitation to form teams. Zulu Papa 5 * (talk) 01:27, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Guys, i know you can`t use a blog in a blp, this is however not for a blp it is an article about a blog, pielke and McIntyre are both published scientists in the field this pertains to so surely they are reliable per wp:sps? it says it right here it wp:rs Self-published material may, in some circumstances, be acceptable when produced by an established expert on the topic of the article whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications. How are these two guys not reliable under that criteria? mark nutley (talk) 17:01, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

You made an oopsie on a user talk page

On User talk:LakersFanKB24, you fully transcluded the {{hangon}} template. I have a feeling you intended it to show up as brackets and the name, not a transclusion (I fixed this). By transcluding it, you nominated that user talk page for speedy deletion. If you want to make a template show up like a link, use, for example, {{tl|hangon}} to make it show like I think you intended. SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:36, 20 May 2010 (UTC)