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Always remember... first assume good faith... Wikipedia is meant to be a work in progress; there are no deadlines here... ...and because life is uncertain, eat dessert first! Movie suggestion for the month: If you haven't seen The Night Listener with Robin Williams, you should - definitely fascinating at several levels. Toni Collette is superb in her role as a emotionally disturbed and extremely manipulative woman who utilizes at least two other identities and personalities at once without anyone ever actually laying eyes on the other personalities or the real 'her' (even though they have come to believe the other personalities actually exist as real people). Based on a true story, the film is a real mind bender that leaves you wondering, "who is she, really?" The hows-and-whys of this talk page Because this is my own user talk page, I have certain rules and standards as to how I like to maintain it. (1) Comments made by me are non-italicized (2) Comments made by others are italicized (3) If there is a Wikipedia issue I am currently involved in, I prefer to keep tabs on the situation by including information surrounding the issue as content on this page for future and present reference (as necessary). This may mean the inclusion of Wikipedia exchanges between others involved in the issue at hand. After the issue is resolved, I will archive the information. (4) IT IS NOT THE RIGHT OF ANOTHER WIKIPEDIAN TO TAKE IT UPON THEMSELVES TO REMOVE CONTENT FROM, OR CHANGE CONTENT ON, MY TALK PAGE (not to mention it's against Wikipedia policy). If you have a problem with something I have placed on my talk page regarding the issue I (or we) may be involved in, please assume good faith first and then discuss the matter with me before jumping to conclusions and making erroneous and/or bad faith assumptions. (5) I reserve the right to refactor any comments left here and/or change headers at will. (6) While I may remove content placed on this page that originates from exchanges elsewhere, I will never edit what someone what written in order to change the tone of what was written or to make someone look bad. Again, if you have an issue with what I have included here (or have not included), please assume good faith first and then discuss the matter with me before jumping to conclusions and making erroneous and/or bad faith assumptions. (7) It is my intent to keep my talk page organized, orderly and in compliance with Wikipedia standards regarding user talk pages. This means that I reserve the right to include what I choose - so long as it complies with Wikipedia standards - and will, in the same vein, remove what I choose. (8) Anything added to this talk page by another editor that is not in regard to an article being edited or is outside the guildelines for user talk pages will be seen as disruptive editing and the appropriate steps will be taken within Wikipedia guidelines - including issuing warnings as appropriate and in line with Wikipedia standards. (9) Last, and definitely not least, don't even think of vandalizing this page. Any vandalism will be reverted immediately and get you reported to the Vandalism Crew. Additionally, doing so will jeopardize your Wikipedia account and may get you banned from posting - so don't even try, okay? Thanks for your understanding - may your Wikipedia edits be correct, well-referenced and relevant and may you have a great Wikipedia day! Archives My talk page archives are located here[1]. Barnstar The Photographer's Barnstar For Concrete, Washington. - Omarcheeseboro (talk) 18:09, 22 June 2009 (UTC) Wow - a Photographer's Barnstar! (what's a "Photographer's Barnstar"? ;-) Just kidding - thanks, Omar! SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 18:19, 22 June 2009 (UTC) Thanks.. I checked out the page after seeing the film of the Tobias Wolff book This Boy's Life. I guess I drove right by there too, since I went from Seattle through the N Cascades last year (via Marblemount). I'm glad to see you like the style of my userpage too :) Anyway, great photos! --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 12:04, 24 June 2009 (UTC) Userboxes As a double finally, in answer to your question on my talk page, I didn't create the user boxes in my sandbox, rather, I put those there as reference in case I later decided to use them, and so I could reference their text should I decide to make a new user box. The best way to make your own user box is to find one you like and edit it. This is what I did to make the KGO and Mac boxes on my page. Regarding images, they're uploaded to Wikipedia and referenced via the Image tag. If you go to the Mac box, for example, and edit the page, you'll see how the image is included within the user box. There's also a helpful article on how to make user boxes at WP:UB. -FeralDruid (talk) 05:41, 24 September 2009 (UTC) Thanks for the info. If I have any more questions, can I impose upon you again? SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 15:14, 24 September 2009 (UTC) Mantle décor The Press Barnstar SkagitRiverQueen – for diligently correcting press accounts, not to mention Wikipedia's "biography of a living person" for Glenn Beck, with concern to the place of Mr. Beck's birth, which WP edit was mentioned (link's here!) by Julie Muhlstein of The (Everett, Washington) Herald on October second, two thousand nine (and for splendid editing all around on the article otherwise, too!) — Justmeherenow 14:52, 2 October 2009 (UTC) Thank you, JustMeHereNow for The Press Barnstar. Personally, I've found editing the GB article somewhat amusing in light of all the discussion - as well as frustrating in light of some of the arguing (and comments by a couple of the editors ;-) You, however, I have found to be a calm in the storm; a lonely beacon of restraint in a squall of self-appointed wordsmiths! You, sir, are a gentleman and stellar Wikipedian! I am honored, and frankly, you made my day! SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 15:11, 2 October 2009 (UTC) As you did mine, SkagitRiverQueen, with your graciousness. ;^) Thanks! ↜Just M E here , now 15:34, 2 October 2009 (UTC) Random comment Gotta say, I'm impressed by your userboxes -- there are a few in there I wouldn't have expected to see on the same page. :-) --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 04:49, 6 October 2009 (UTC) Thanks and I get that a lot. ;-) SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 04:50, 6 October 2009 (UTC) Message Messaged the user regarding his harassment. I've also reported the incident to be reviewed by other editors. Happy editing! Netalarmtalk 06:17, 9 October 2009 (UTC) PS: You might want to archive your talk page. Netalarmtalk 06:17, 9 October 2009 (UTC) Thank you! SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 06:19, 9 October 2009 (UTC) Washington Thanks for your post. I wholeheartedly agree that Washington is one of the most beautiful places on earth. There are some pretty nice parts of the East, like the White Mountains in New Hampshire, but they don't compare. I've been to Israel, too, and that's another one of my favorites :). When I was in Washington I took a whale watching trip that specifically went to the places the Orcas like to go. They are amazing animals. I take it that you also like watching birds. I wish I knew more about birds than I do, given that Central Park and other parks in New York are major stops along the bird migration routes and we get some very interesting ones. And BTW, I think you were right about "incensed" and "posited." Take care, AFriedman (talk) 22:44, 3 December 2009 (UTC) Happy Monday! --AFriedman (talk) 18:04, 7 December 2009 (UTC) has extended an olive branch of peace. Route description on WA 20 Please read WP:USRD/STDS; a substantial route description is expected in a road article. See California State Route 78 for an example. I do agree that some of the details were unnecessary, and the formatting was a bit off, but it should have been revised, not blindly reverted. --Rschen7754 (T C) 06:37, 24 December 2009 (UTC) Merry Christmas! AFriedman (talk) is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year! Spread the cheer by adding {{subst:Xmas2}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Thanks for your note and holiday greetings. And BTW, I don't know if you saw the earlier message I posted on my Talk page, but I apologize for offending you. Here is a little "present" for you. --AFriedman (talk) 19:13, 25 December 2009 (UTC) The link is to A Christmas Carol. In my opinion, Dickens' argument is even potent enough to soften the hardened heart of a Jew like myself. You may want to look at the link about pikuach nefesh, which is an essential principle of Judaism and very similar to the point Dickens was trying to make about Christmas. I've commented on that article on its Talk page as well, because I think there are other views (including mine) which are not represented in the article. --AFriedman (talk) 19:24, 25 December 2009 (UTC) Dinos I don't think he's heard of 3rr or other WP policies before. I put a welcome template on his talk page. We'll see how it goes. Best, Ameriquedialectics 21:54, 30 December 2009 (UTC) To our newest Rollbacker I have just granted you rollback rights because I believe you to be trustworthy, and because you have a history of reverting vandalism and have given in the past or are trusted in the future to give appropriate warnings. Please have a read over WP:ROLLBACK and remember that rollback is only for use against obvious vandalism. Please use it that way (it can be taken away by any admin at a moment's notice). You may want to consider adding {{Rollback}} and {{User rollback}} to your userpage. Any questions, please drop me a line. Best of luck and thanks for volunteering! ❄ upstateNYer ❄ 07:13, 1 January 2010 (UTC) Good luck with the new tool! ❄ upstateNYer ❄ 14:39, 1 January 2010 (UTC) Congratulations! Congrats on becoming a Rollbacker! Here is this. The Special Barnstar Happy New Year! --AFriedman (talk) 19:13, 4 January 2010 (UTC) Thanks, AFriedman! Karel article Good job so far. Looking forward to working together to improve as we go along. JoyDiamond (talk) 04:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC) Johnny Behan You have reverted several of my changes, saying that parenthetical statements are discouraged. Please provide a citation from the MoS. All I see is this, so . Speaking of which, if you see something that needs a citation, put in a tag, don't remove the info. Behan's grave is in fact lost, according to Boyer. Find-a-grave says this also (there is a memorial placque, but not at the gravesite). [2]. The article now states he contracted syphilis while in Tombstone, but that is an inference from the "30 years" date on the death certificate, and should be stated as such. These things are rarely accurate, and info here was provided by his son Albert, who would not expected to know exactly when and where his father contracted syphilis. Albert is also off by a year on his father's entrance into Arizona, by comparison with records. Furthermore, Albert possibly got his father's year of birth wrong and his age wrong (they also are off by a year from other records). Lastly, although I cannot give you reference now, the term "arterial sclerosis" did not mean in 1912 what it does today. What it probably meant in 1912 was the Behan was demented, a condition then thought due to "hardening of the arteries." SBHarris 02:35, 13 February 2010 (UTC) Please find my point-by-point replies below: You have reverted several of my changes, saying that parenthetical statements are discouraged. Please provide a citation from the MoS. All I see is this, so . I don't have a citation, just what I have learned through my years here at WP. As a general rule, parentheses *are* discouraged - but I don't think it's a "rule" per se. There are certainly other ways of writing what needs to be included without using parentheses - and I still believe they are to be avoided in WP. Of course, if you really don't agree that parentheses should be avoided, you could always ask a seasoned editor or administrator and get their opinion. Speaking of which, if you see something that needs a citation, put in a tag, don't remove the info. Well...I think it's really personal preference. Some editors are real strict about unreferenced statements being left in an article. I personally prefer putting a in place and will usually do so in order for time to be allowed to get a ref in place. In all honesty, I was probably having a bad day and rather than do what I should have (placing a cite needed tag), I just removed the statement. Behan's grave is in fact lost, according to Boyer. (a) Boyer has a questionable reputation as a historian who isn't exactly known as a reliable source regarding Arizona and Earp history (I know that from having lived in Arizona for quite a while and having spoken with a number of state history experts), and (b) where's this reference from Boyer? Have you included it in the article previously? Or is this all original research? Find-a-grave says this also (there is a memorial placque, but not at the gravesite). [3]. Find-a-grave isn't considered a reliable source for WP articles. The article now states he contracted syphilis while in Tombstone, but that is an inference from the "30 years" date on the death certificate Yes, it is. Since the only reference found for Behan's syphillis is his online death certificate, that's all we have to go on and refer to. Anything else would be original research. and should be stated as such. I guess. These things are rarely accurate, According to whom? A death certificate is an official record. and info here was provided by his son Albert, who would not expected to know exactly when and where his father contracted syphilis. Albert is also off by a year on his father's entrance into Arizona, by comparison with records. Furthermore, Albert possibly got his father's year of birth wrong and his age wrong (they also are off by a year from other records). And without another reliable reference available, it's all speculation that means nothing in the scheme of editing the article. Lastly, although I cannot give you reference now, the term "arterial sclerosis" did not mean in 1912 what it does today. What it probably meant in 1912 was the Behan was demented, a condition then thought due to "hardening of the arteries." More speculation (and seemingly, original research) that, without another reliable reference, means nothing in the scheme of editing the article. Of course, if you are able to come up with reliable references that meet WPs referencing guidelines, you're welcome to include any (or all) of it. --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 03:10, 13 February 2010 (UTC) Black Dahlia image Hey. Yeah, "PD-self" is meant for pictures the uploader has taken himself, basically. You have to own the copyright initially in order to release it into the public domain. If you simply crop a public domain photo, then the crop would still be public domain but it shouldn't be tagged "PD-self" since the cropper didn't really create the image. This is all academic in this case, however, since the initial photo was not public domain in the first place.—Chowbok ☠ 06:15, 13 February 2010 (UTC) I would actually argue that it should stay. Fair-use images are acceptable as long as there's little or no possibility of a free image of the same subject, and since she died before becoming famous, it's extremely doubtful that a free image exists of her. But fair-use images need to be tagged as such, and a justification for their use need to be added. One can't just crop an image and arbitrarily claim it as PD-self.—Chowbok ☠ 06:32, 13 February 2010 (UTC) 2010 Olympics and Gretzky I was watching the 2010 Olypmic opening ceremonies live on tv, and trust me, there was very few people already gathered at Canada Place prior to the conclusion of the opening ceremony. Many people streamed out of restaurants and homes. Gretzky was standing at the back of the pick-up, it was almost as if it was a victory parade, and the video clearly shows more and more people running after the police escort as it made its way to Canada Place. --Phileo (talk) 11:49, 13 February 2010 (PST) I was watching it as well and didn't see what you saw. <shrug> --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 19:58, 13 February 2010 (UTC) Karel Hi, I got your email on the subject, and started a new section on the talk page to see if we can resolve this. If this doesn't work, the next step will be to request an administrative review. I do encourage everyone involved to take a deep breath, as the issues are fairly minor in the Scheme of Things. Take care --SeaphotoTalk 17:23, 14 February 2010 (UTC) Thanks. I am in the process to replying to that right now. :-) --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 17:25, 14 February 2010 (UTC) Albert Lewis Hi! I put a note for you about Albert Lewis on my talk page, but I am not 100% sure that is the right way to communicate with you. If it is, please look at it, and feel free to delete this note. If this is the better way to communicate, I'll do that in the future. Thanks again for your guidance and help! Resnicoff (talk) 17:21, 15 February 2010 (UTC) AfD nomination of Feast of Tabernacles (Christian holiday) An editor has nominated one or more articles which you have created or worked on, for deletion. The nominated article is Feast of Tabernacles (Christian holiday). We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also Wikipedia:Notability and "What Wikipedia is not"). Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion(s) by adding your comments to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Feast of Tabernacles (Christian holiday). Please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Please note: This is an automatic notification by a bot. I have nothing to do with this article or the deletion nomination, and can't do anything about it. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 01:09, 17 February 2010 (UTC) Out of curiosity, SRQ, what will your vote be in that discussion once your block expires? Equazcion (talk) 02:03, 17 Feb 2010 (UTC) I'd love to see the article stay in order to get another life (so to speak) and get expanded. Unfortunately, it's an article that has invited the members of one particular church (actually considered a cult amongst those in mainstream Christianity), The Worldwide Church of God (also known as "Armstrongism") to edit with a definite POV because they are one of the largest non-Jewish groups to celebrate TFOT. Because there are other Christian groups not associated with TWCOG who do celebrate it, it would be good to expand the article to include information on those groups and their take on the Christian view of TFOT. That way, the article would be more in-depth and more balanced. So, after all of that, my vote would be to see the article stay, as the celebration is notable within contemporary Christianity (and was certainly notable within Biblical Christianity, since the majority of the Apostles - as well as Christ - were all observant Jews). --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 02:48, 17 February 2010 (UTC) Well, it's a 7-day discussion, so you should be back in plenty of time to opine. If there's anything you'd like to say sooner than that, I'd be happy to copy it over for you -- I had absolutely no intention of trying to cut you out of the discussion. I was sort-of-aware of this holiday from my previous work on Herbert W. Armstrong-related articles: I didn't realize we had a separate article for it, though. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 02:23, 17 February 2010 (UTC) Thanks, I appreciate knowing that and I appreciate the offer. --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 02:49, 17 February 2010 (UTC) Ha This is a bit old, but I just noticed it; the "another editor" referred to here was actually her sock. What fun. I wonder what other socks she's got around...—Chowbok ☠ 19:22, 17 February 2010 (UTC) LOL! Yeah, that *is* fun. You want to know what else is "fun"? That she's still denying the "[other] editor" was one of her socks. And here's something else that's the same kind of fun: she employed the use of yet one more sock while she was blocked from socking, was caught doing it, and still only had to serve a one week block in total. Okay, that's two more things - so, twice the fun, eh? --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 22:07, 17 February 2010 (UTC) I've stricken the above because I have remembered I am not supposed to refer to or discuss anything in WP about the editor we were discussing. Oops. --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 23:42, 17 February 2010 (UTC) I would strongly prefer you not have said it at all. Really. ++Lar: t/c 00:34, 18 February 2010 (UTC) Well...obviously so would I. That's exactly why I struck it out, Lar. --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 00:46, 18 February 2010 (UTC) And I wonder who this was...—Chowbok ☠ 22:32, 17 February 2010 (UTC) I certainly have my suspicions (and I'm gonna leave it at that). ;-) --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 22:36, 17 February 2010 (UTC) Your sockmaster villain seems to consistently do nothing in the way of impeding you, and merely shows up once in a while to leave rude comments; relatively innocuous behavior, when it comes to sock vandals who don't need to worry about consequences. That being the case, they seem to only have succeeded in garnering you sympathy. Not that the "obvious" couldn't possibly be true, but still, it might be wise not to assume, or even "suspect", too quickly. Equazcion (talk) 22:56, 17 Feb 2010 (UTC) If you think someone directing anti-gay and homophobic hate speech and name-calling toward me is "nothing" and does not "impede", you obviously have never had hate speech directed at you over and over and over again for something that's as natural and non-changeable as blue eyes and lefthandedness. --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 23:26, 17 February 2010 (UTC) I meant impeding in the technical sense. I don't claim what they did is nothing, nor am I belittling hate speech. But it is innocuous, relative to what sock vandals can do when their interests actually lie in hurting or taunting a person. Per WP:BEANS I won't get into specifics. That and the infrequency of the occurrences makes them less obvious. There are clever individuals who act for one side in order to promote another, and I've seen it before -- see strawman sockpuppet. Such an individual might not know or even care that they might be actually hurting you personally, if it helps your side "win". Equazcion (talk) 23:43, 17 Feb 2010 (UTC) Okay, I see what you're saying, but from where I sit, as one who has been on the receiving end of this hate-speech, even explaining it as "innocuous "relative" to..." seems to be a bit of a dismissal. Oh, well - I'm just going to trust you didn't mean it that way. As far as WP:BEANS...that's what children do, and aren't we all supposed to be adults here? ;-) When I read strawman sockpuppet I first thought, "who thinks like that?" Then, I was struck by the fact that if those who spend their time thinking up such elaborate plans to win at any cost in WP would take that energy and put it toward something positive and ethical (like just editing articles), how much better a place WP would be. <shrug> --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 00:03, 18 February 2010 (UTC) Charles Karel Bouley Thanks for your note. First off, I am of the opinion that we should treat BLPs similarly to how we treat other Wikipedians. The same ideas about civility ought to apply to BLPs that apply to Users. Not everything in a BLP is going to be flattering. No evidence that Bouley is a threat to society and that a flattering article about Bouley will hide the danger he poses. So perhaps it's better to err on the side of generosity when writing about him--so long as all the important content remains in the article. For example, this wouldn't mean deleting content about major aspects of his life, such as his firing, but perhaps we could write about this subject more carefully and be especially careful to represent his POV. >Bouley does not put on another persona when he is on the radio. Well, let's look at the articles about some other people whose real names are different from their stage names: Mark Twain--always called "Twain" in the article, even when referring to his personal life Sean Combs (Puff Daddy/P Diddy/Diddy)--he had multiple stage names, like Bouley seems to. (Unless Bouley legally changed his name to add "Karel" as a middle name?) Combs is always called by his surname in the article. Prince (musician)--always goes by "Prince" in the article, in similar fashion to Mark Twain in the article about him. Changed his stage name at one time to a name that did not catch on, which is barely mentioned in the article. Sacha Baron Cohen--Called by his surname, except in a few places when the article refers to the characters he plays. The question becomes fairly complicated for Karel/Bouley. Karel/Bouley does not claim to put on another persona when he is on the radio. However, the part of his life in which he is "Karel" is major and significant, and is clearly delineated from the rest of his life. For example, when people are hiring him for a radio show, they seem to be hiring "Karel." If he introduces himself as "Karel" on-air, people may well be thinking of him as "Karel." However, he's known as "Bouley" in other places. This seems to be someone who is perhaps often referred to as "Karel" in his notable activities, but not always. A more notable person such as Mark Twain is always called "Twain" in the article about him, even though his real name was "Samuel Clemens." Also, if he calls himself "Charles Karel Bouley", this is not the same as being "Charles Raymond Bouley", so some aspects of his stage name have crept into how he is called in other venues. There is perhaps a middle ground in WP:Surname between always calling someone by their surname and always calling someone by their stage name, and this person may be there. (I think I may disagree with you that there's no gray area in WP:Surname, particularly when people are known for multiple notable activities in which they may use different names. This may be the case for Karel/Bouley.) Maybe the article should be redirected to "Charles Bouley" (is "Karel" anywhere in his legal name?) as per "Sean Combs", and warrants a couple of references to him as "Karel" and the rest as "Bouley" as per "Sacha Baron Cohen". >the referenced statement "struggling stand-up comic" "Struggling" is a statement that takes one position about his life without giving the readers the facts to evaluate this position--even if a reliable source describes him this way. It may be more neutral to describe what specific jobs he had as a stand-up comic. For example, if he did not have a full-time job for a specified period of time, it is more informative to say it that way. Or, if he performed in small venues that were not very lucrative, perhaps it's most informative to mention the venues and either link to them, or describe their size. If his comedy routines were not well attended at first, perhaps it's better to give figures about their attendance. On that note, I've recently encountered a not-too-different situation in the biography article for Avraham Qanai, that I'm not completely sure how to handle. An IP address from Albany, New York (where Qanai lives) recently removed some unflattering information about this person. I reverted the IP once, but don't want to do that again because I think the text that was deleted should be thought about more carefully. I don't blame this User even if he did have what Wikipedians would call a conflict of interest--there seem to have been POVs about the text that was deleted that were conspicuously absent from the article. It might have been better if the IP address from Albany had added text that clarified things, but not everyone has the writing skills to do this. As seasoned users, we also forget that it takes a while for many new users to learn the culture of Wikipedia, and that not everyone is prepared to become the regular contributors we are. (User talk:CordeliaNaismith has a number of recent posts from new users with questions about Wikipedia's culture, if you want to remind yourself of this. But I digress, and Joy is a seasoned user anyway.) Anyway, I'm curious what you think re: what's happening in the Qanai article. Also, I saw the "feast of tabernacles" discussion and I definitely agree with you--I strongly feel that article should be kept. --AFriedman (talk) 23:55, 18 February 2010 (UTC) If you note in the first line of the article, I inserted the statement, "Charles Karel Bouley", known on the air as "Karel". Personally, I think that takes care of the fact that he uses "Karel" while on the air, and nothing else needs to be said about it in the article. I still believe that by following the guidlines found in the article on using surnames, using "Bouley" throughout the article is correct and appropriate. Actually, this subject was already broached a few months ago, and the consensus was to use the last name. So...I'm not sure why we are even visitng this again, it's now a non-issue. As far as his attempt at being a stand-up comic before he was in radio, I really doubt there is anything out there that can verify what his audience numbers were. The article used as a source stated he was "Struggling", because that's what the writer who interviewed Bouley and his partner likely told him. Kava's Examiner articles are used as references more than once in the Bouley article, but now, suddenly, *this* article is not a good enough source? Give me a break. Anyway - thanks for getting back to me on this here. I appreciate you taking the time. And thanks for the input on the Feast of Tabernacles article. If you'd like, please put in your two-cents on it as far as the proposed deletion of it. --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 06:54, 19 February 2010 (UTC) On "Feast of Tabernacles", I've already voted "Keep." It seems like the sort of holiday that would have reliable sources about it, and can you find any as per Equazcion (at least that's what she said last time I checked)? Even I know of Christians who celebrate it. Re: "Struggling", I'd like to clarify what I think. Basically, IMO it's better than no information at all about this stage of Bouley's life, but I still think it's a suboptimal way to describe it given its POVness. The issue is not with the reliability of the source that says he was "struggling", but the fact that it tends to be preferable to provide specific information. I'm not convinced that there are no sources about that part of his career, and the ball seems to be in Joy's court to come up with these sources (unless you or someone else wants to). I've posted this stuff on the Talk page of the article, which I probably should have done earlier. --AFriedman (talk) 03:13, 22 February 2010 (UTC) You might be interested I'll probably take it down in the near future, but you may want to check this out in the meantime. Feel free to contribute if you like.—Chowbok ☠ 07:51, 20 February 2010 (UTC) I've been watching it tonight, actually. I won't be commenting on it in WP, as I am prohibited from doing so - but I did send you an email today. --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 07:53, 20 February 2010 (UTC) Sorry if I'm causing you problems with this.—Chowbok ☠ 19:10, 20 February 2010 (UTC) Don't worry about it. --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 19:16, 20 February 2010 (UTC) Denial is not just a river in Egypt I got to the Bouley article via recent edits while on vandal patrol. The rest of what you say doesn't deserve a response since it's been answered to before. --CrohnieGalTalk 14:02, 28 February 2010 (UTC) You may fool others Crohnie, but you don't fool me. You are stalking my edits and were looking into my edit history (or someone you know was and you went there on behalf of them) - that's how you got to the Bouley page. There was no vandalism there, and your edits on that page had nothing to do with combating vandalism. You edited there because you knew I had heavily edited that article prior to it being locked. As soon as the block was up, you went there to edit in an attempt to bait me and get a negative reaction out of me - I knew it then, and I know it now. It's the same reason why you heavily edited the Jeffrey MacDonald article - you saw that I recently edited there, and you are trying to goad me into a fight. As far as why you aren't responding to what I said on your talk page, I know why you *really* aren't responding, and it has nothing to do with your "poor-me" claim that I was mean to you (which I wasn't - and you really should learn a new song, BTW). You're not responding because (1) I spoke the truth and you are in denial about that truth, (2) you simply don't like me because I have been openly vocal about the bad Wiki-behavior of an editor you see as your Wikipedia protector. Even in the midst of your cries of "why are you picking on me?" and "let's everybody just get along because I hate it when people don't get along!", you like to stir things up and keep things dysfunctional because that's what's become comfortable for you. It's not really peaceful editing you're interested in, it's status-quo you want - even if status-quo means breaking WP policy and treating those not in your comfort-zone-clique like crap. You're really not that hard to figure out, you know (and it seems as if RobinHood70 and Tekaphor now have your number as well). --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 16:49, 28 February 2010 (UTC) File permission problem with File:Main_Street_at_Dusk.jpg Thanks for uploading File:Main_Street_at_Dusk.jpg. I noticed that while you provided a valid copyright licensing tag, there is no proof that the creator of the file agreed to license it under the given license. If you created this media entirely yourself but have previously published it elsewhere (especially online), please either make a note permitting reuse under the CC-BY-SA or another acceptable free license (see this list) at the site of the original publication; or Send an email from an address associated with the original publication to permissions-enwikimedia.org, stating your ownership of the material and your intention to publish it under a free license. You can find a sample permission letter here. 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Rockfang (talk) 14:44, 2 March 2010 (UTC) Last clarification I will respect your wishes going forward, but would you please explain where I "made fun of you"? Thanks.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:34, 9 March 2010 (UTC) Re "Please help me understand" My original intention (link) was to simply add a sentence or two about Bouley's show on KNGY, which was not addressed elsewhere in the article. However, I felt that if I added only that information, it would break the continuity of the paragraph (i.e., the last sentence was about him being hired by KGO; I had to make it clear that he was fired before being hired by KNGY). I couldn't think of any other way to include the information. I know it is slightly redundant, but if you can think of any other way, please fix it. By the way, I only reverted once; I do not know how or why Montystone undid your first removal so quickly. ctzmsc3|talk 23:11, 11 March 2010 (UTC) Thanks for understanding. :) ctzmsc3|talk 04:10, 12 March 2010 (UTC) AN discussion I have proposed an interaction ban between you and Wildhartlivie at WP:AN#Proposed interaction ban between SkagitRiverQueen and Wildhartlivie.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:02, 14 March 2010 (UTC) Interaction ban imposed As you and Wildhartlivie both agreed in principle to an interaction ban, I have gone ahead and logged it at WP:RESTRICT. Wildhartlivie and SkagitRiverQueen are interaction banned on each other. Broadly construed, neither may revert each others' edits, follow up a talk page comment by the other, comment on the others' talk page, or report the other to noticeboards. They may, however, participate in RFC/U or arbitration discussions involving the other, including as the filing party. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 03:32, 15 March 2010 (UTC) Saw it - and thanks. Frankly, I'm relieved. --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 03:36, 15 March 2010 (UTC) Sandbox Just so you'll know, your sandbox was mentioned on the WP:AN thread [4]. That's probably how Equazcion's attention was drawn to it. There's no call to accuse an admin of harassment because he's following up on an issue where admin attention has been requested. Dayewalker (talk) 03:49, 15 March 2010 (UTC) (1) He's not an admin. (2) He's been dogging me for months now. (3) I said it's all starting to feel like harassment - I didn't accuse him of harassing me. --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 03:50, 15 March 2010 (UTC) Ah, strike that, then. I thought he was an admin. I would still take his comments at face value though, as it was referenced in the AN thread. I see you've struck your comments on the page, that's a good step. Hopefully this interaction ban will work out for both of you. Good luck! Dayewalker (talk) 03:58, 15 March 2010 (UTC) Who That Man I don't believe much of what I read on the internet, even if it is the first of my Google results. Sometimes it's the links and references that are more informative, especially when I find myself reading a page created by someone whose gripes are laced with childish insults. Hopefully I wasn't sent off to peruse this page by some nobody who didn't realize that I had probably already seen it.