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*'''Oppose'''. Newly-created category, mostly with plenty of scope for expansion. This is another vindictive, disruptive bad-faith nomination by LL, who is stalking my contribs and has clearly not done any [[WP:BEFORE]].<Br />This is ''NOT'' diffusion by place; it is diffusion by nationality, which is an establsihed series. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="font-variant:small-caps"><span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl</span>]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 16:18, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Newly-created category, mostly with plenty of scope for expansion. This is another vindictive, disruptive bad-faith nomination by LL, who is stalking my contribs and has clearly not done any [[WP:BEFORE]].<Br />This is ''NOT'' diffusion by place; it is diffusion by nationality, which is an establsihed series. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="font-variant:small-caps"><span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl</span>]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 16:18, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
:*'''Note''' by her own admission, BHG has spent the past 6 weeks making '''many''' micro-by-county-by occupation categories. As an editor in Irish space, they have been flashing up on my Watchlist with annoying frequency. Not much stalking needed. No need for Sherlock Holmes either. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 16:26, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
:*'''Note''' by her own admission, BHG has spent the past 6 weeks making '''many''' micro-by-county-by occupation categories. As an editor in Irish space, they have been flashing up on my Watchlist with annoying frequency. Not much stalking needed. No need for Sherlock Holmes either. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 16:26, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
*'''Note''' that most of these categories are for sub-disciplines. But because this is a rushed, vindictive, disruptive bad-faith nomination, LL had not even taken the time to designate the parent category as the merge targets. That is pretty good evidence that LL also didn't scrutinise the parent categories to test the scope for diffusion. --16:30, 25 June 2023 (UTC)


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June 25

NEW NOMINATIONS

People by occupation in Northern Ireland

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SmallCat since each of these has less than 4 members. Diffusing by place makes sense, by occupation not so much. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:11, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Newly-created category, mostly with plenty of scope for expansion. This is another vindictive, disruptive bad-faith nomination by LL, who is stalking my contribs and has clearly not done any WP:BEFORE.
    This is NOT diffusion by place; it is diffusion by nationality, which is an establsihed series. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:18, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note by her own admission, BHG has spent the past 6 weeks making many micro-by-county-by occupation categories. As an editor in Irish space, they have been flashing up on my Watchlist with annoying frequency. Not much stalking needed. No need for Sherlock Holmes either. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:26, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note that most of these categories are for sub-disciplines. But because this is a rushed, vindictive, disruptive bad-faith nomination, LL had not even taken the time to designate the parent category as the merge targets. That is pretty good evidence that LL also didn't scrutinise the parent categories to test the scope for diffusion. --16:30, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Category:In-Grid

Nominator's rationale: With only articles on albums and songs, already in appropriate subcategories and interlinked, this is overcategorization per WP:OCEPON. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 15:56, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Meta Platforms-related lists

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 15:49, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:16th century assassinated French politicians

Nominator's rationale: There are only 30 people in all in Category:Assassinated French politicians and splitting by century is not justified. I again urge User:Thinker78 to reflect before creating more categories: Category:1930s assassinated French politicians is lacking an important parent, viz Category:1930s assassinated politicians. Also Category:20th-century French politicians is hyphenated so I expect Category:20th century assassinated French politicians should also be. (I will leave the more complicated Category:20th century assassinated French politicians for another nom.) Oculi (talk) 13:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose What would be the point of merging era-specific categories to a parent which has no specific era in mind? I view the parent category as rather useless, and making navigation harder. Dimadick (talk) 16:06, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Jewish American philanthropists

Nominator's rationale: American philanthropists aren't divided by any other religion or ethnic group. Dream Focus 13:20, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Jewish philanthropists

Nominator's rationale: We don't have categories for philanthropist for any other religion or ethnic group, only by nation and sometimes region. Dream Focus 13:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1970s assassinated South American politicians

Nominator's rationale: Category:1970s assassinated politicians (0) should be fully populated before any splitting occurs; there is no pressing need to subcategorise a category with only 35 members. In any case, people are not directly categorised as 'South American': Category:South American people is a container category. Oculi (talk) 12:25, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1930s assassinated Costa Rican politicians

Nominator's rationale: 1 article; and Category:1930s assassinated politicians (0) should be fully populated before any splitting occurs. Oculi (talk) 12:18, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1960s assassinated African politicians

Nominator's rationale: 1 member; and Category:1960s assassinated politicians (0) should be fully populated before being split. Oculi (talk) 12:13, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ukrainian historical regions outside of Ukraine

Nominator's rationale: Regions that were never part of Ukraine and simply includes any territories that had Ukrainian settlers. Also WP:NONDEF. Mellk (talk) 08:24, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • A number of articles is already in Category:Ukrainian diaspora in Russia, e.g. regions in the Far East. Other articles are about regions bordering to Ukraine with a sizeable Ukrainian-speaking population. The word "settlers" is inappropriate in the latter case, it is just that country borders have not been drawn exactly along language borders. Perhaps rename to Category:Geographical spread of the Ukrainian language. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:16, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Some of the articles are about regions that today are Ukrainian-speaking while others are about colonies that had Ukrainian minorities but no longer do. As a whole, they cannot be considered "Ukrainian historical regions". Dobruja is also included but I am not sure how this a historical Ukrainian territory, there were only some settlers for a brief period of time. Mellk (talk) 12:02, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Agree that "Ukrainian historical regions" is inappropriate. But what about the rename? Marcocapelle (talk) 12:30, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      I think it works for now. Mellk (talk) 12:35, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • I oppose that such a concept exists and all these regions have been inhabited by Ukrainians for a long time.--Yasnodark (talk) 12:34, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Gujjar places

Nominator's rationale: Everyone names places, there's no defining characteristics for it — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 07:31, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nobility of the Americas

Nominator's rationale: split per precedent, e.g. Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_27#Category:Royal_families_of_the_Americas. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:34, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

People born during Tang

Nominator's rationale: merge, ruling dynasty during one's birth is not a defining characteristic of a person. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:26, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Prix des romancières recipients

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:DNWAUC, WP:OCAWARD, and WP:NONDEFINING
There's not much here. There's no Prix des romancières main article (and no Novelist Award) but, based on the parent cat, it's from France. There are only two biography articles both of which list this award among other honours so it's not treated as defining. (I copied all the current category contents right here so no work is lost if anyone wants find reliable source and create a list article.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Voltaire Lectures

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:PERFCAT, WP:SMALLCAT, & WP:DNWAUC
There's not much here: there's no main article but a redirect that points to Humanists UK#Lecture series. Once you follow that link, it only has one sentence listing the many lectures that organisation hosts. Bonya Ahmed gave a lecture one year, which her article mentions in passing, but that's WP:PERFCAT. The only other article is a book based on this lecture which is defining but that leaves us with a 1 article category, which is a WP:SMALLCAT. (I copied all the current category contents right here so no work is lost if anyone wants find reliable source and create a list article.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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