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Mt. Cuba Center[edit]

Mt. Cuba Center's legal name is Mt. Cuba Center how can I revert the article back to it's proper place? Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fvsad (talkcontribs) 19:12, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

National Register of Historic Places listings in Wilmington, Delaware[edit]

Thanks for finding the error with the Obidiah Dingee House! We know that there are typos besides this in many National Register of Historic Places listings; if you find others, could you please list them here? We've been in contact with people at the Register and are hoping to use this page to see simple errors corrected. Thanks again! Nyttend (talk) 13:10, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

The name of the property listing is typically selected by the person/people in Delaware who nominated it — in the case of buildings that have been listed for a long time, who knows but that the name under which they're listed was current then. All that being reason to have a redlink for a building that already has an article (or the possibility of two articles on the same building!), so thanks for setting up the redirects! Nyttend (talk) 16:29, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Wilimington images[edit]

Anything in and around Rodney Square should be easy for me, I work right there. Only Canon G10 quality though - I don't usually lug the Canon DSLR around with me on a daily basis. You will find my Commons contributions at commons:Special:Contributions/Ukexpat. I will leave you and Nyttend talk page messages when I have uploaded new stuff. – ukexpat (talk) 19:14, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

St. Anthony of Padua (church)[edit]

Good work on this article. Raul654 (talk) 04:14, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


Nice job of updating the article. I wanted to let you know that the Park Service has most of the nominations for National Register properties in Delaware online as scanned PDFs - you can use the search function [1], or enter the NRHP number directly at Acroterion (talk) 14:16, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, that's totally cool! I just added an external link to the article. Before I start adding it to others local sites maybe you can help me further. Is there anything on that NPS site that gives me permission to copy those JPEG photos straight into the Wikipedia articles? (Let me be up front and say the only thing I know about copyright law is that adding a picture using fair use rationale starts an argument in Wikipedia.) If it takes awhile to get back to me because you're busy deleting Milkshake Flavor articles, I totally understand.RevelationDirect (talk) 03:22, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
I missed your response above - after I deleted 10,000 milkshake flavors I got into a discussion with an earnest person about his totally fictional Russian/Iranian airplane that goes Mach 5, is stealthy, can go to the moon and back, etc.; he swears he's seen it and wants to argue with the other 20 editors who tag it as a fictional aircraft from a '90s game. Argh.
Anyway, I suspect the public domain statement is wrong, at least in the context of Wikipedia/Commons' free-content policies. The text is generally considered public domain, but I am skeptical about the image - it was taken by an employee of the city of Wilmington in 1984, not by an U.S. government employee in their official duties or by a contractor to the U.S.government. I think as a matter or practice I would avoid uploading the nomination pictures. They're usually of comparatively poor quality in any case. Historic American Building Survey images, on the other hand, are unrestricted, and usually of excellent quality. The problem is that they don't cover everything. I'm going to rummage around in the focus.nps website and see if there's a copyright polcy statement in there somewhere. I'll let you know if I find something. Acroterion (talk) 14:19, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Quoting from the focus.nps website's disclaimer: Ownership: Information presented on this website, unless otherwise indicated , is considered in the public domain. It may may be distributed or copied as is permitted by the law. Not all information on this website has been created or is owned by the NPS. If you wish to use any non-NPS material, you must seek permission directly from the owning (or holding) sources. That's pretty unambiguous - it's public domain unless otherwise noted, and they go on in each listing to state PD or not, so I'd say, as long as it's so noted in the individual listings, it's fine. I believe I'll go off and see what I can use myself. Thanks for bringing it up! Acroterion (talk) 19:20, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Even if it's public domain, you should credit the original photographer with as much detail as you can find, just on general principles. The public domain license tag for Commons is {{PD-USGov-NPS}}. Acroterion (talk) 19:26, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
I saw part of this conversation on Acroterion's Talk page. Hey, no, I am afraid you are misinterpreting the status here. In the NPS Focus system there is an erroneous computer system message saying Public Domain for all photos, whether they are copyright or public domain. The NPS does not own copyright on photos taken by state employees or private applicants for NRHP status, and the NPS's erroneous label is unhelpful for us but it not a mistake that allows us to claim those are PD. They are not PD if the photos are attributed to anyone such as a named photographer. It sounds like in this case that the NPS Focus pics are specifically credited to a non-Federal employee and/or a state organization. The NPS does not gain copyright by receipt of the NRHP application. This would be a case where the material is not owned by NPS. (It is true that HABS pics are clearly public domain, because the contracting with photographers was set up as contract work for copyright to be taken that way.) I have some notes at Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places#some but not all National Park Service photos are public domain because i have been involved in some photo issues on this matter in the past. Hope this helps somewhat. I'll watch here and at Acroterion's talk page to discuss further perhaps. doncram (talk) 11:29, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Having had some experience with the Park Service (I worked for the NPS in graduate school) I asked them to see whether they were serious about the public domain notice. They have it all screwed up, so the answer is, no, regardless of what they say, the images can't be released into the public domain. Acroterion (talk) 12:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Well, I'm glad I haven't spent any time loading photos yet. OK, so they say their PD but aren't. Unless they are anonymous or from a federal employee (the latter being unlikely if these are submissions to the NPS I'm looking at) I can not use them. Does simply publishing that these images as PD at some point move them into the public domain?RevelationDirect (talk) 02:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
No, because the original author's copyright can't be involuntarily canceled by another party, unless there's a contract or release that specifically states the terms. In this case, there's not, so the NPS's assertion has no legal effect. They're still the property of the author. Acroterion (talk) 02:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
OK, that makes sense. My one man WikiProject Woolworth's will just have to trudge on without them.RevelationDirect (talk) 02:38, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi again. I replied at my Talk page to your question about the Woolworth's Building in Coahoma County, Mississippi, including trying to give u the info about how to request NRHP application documents for any NRHP-listed place. Glad you're on the Woolworth's beat... :) doncram (talk) 17:39, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Category:Yazoo and Mississippi Valley Railroad[edit]

I'm not sure if it makes sense to make this a separate category, or to simply place everything in Category:Illinois Central Railroad, which seems to have owned the Y&MV from its incorporation in 1882. How large do you see this category becoming? (By the way, I removed Queen and Crescent Route, which had nothing to do with the Y&MV. This map shows the Y&MV in blue; the Q&C went from Cincinnati to New Orleans, with the Shreveport branch crossing the Y&MV at Jackson and Vicksburg.) --NE2 23:33, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I had forgotten about that, but it's a very minor part of the Y&MV's history; the actual railroad companies were the A&V and VS&P. It was, in any case, really the IC acquiring them; they just decided to lease them to their Y&MV subsidiary. --NE2 00:13, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Twelve Tribes etc[edit]


I'm very new to Wikipedia and I'm not sure what the best course of action is to take in this matter. User: Chezikah has been editing the articles related to the Twelve Tribes from a very biased perspective - and has given no indication or communication that this will cease anytime soon. This is a learning experience for me, so: what is to be done? Thanks -- Jaybird vt (talk) 01:42, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

My response is on your Talk pageRevelationDirect (talk) 04:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks very much for your assistance. If I may ask, how did you come across this conflict? Jaybird vt (talk) 14:49, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Regarding your question on my talk page - I'm not sure how to go about finding the link to the vandalism complaint; however Chezikah (talk · contribs) has been blocked, seems indefinitely. Thanks for your help and support! Peace Jaybird vt (talk) 23:08, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello again, I wanted to draw your attention to Talk:The Twelve Tribes (movement)#RfC: Reliability of Twelve Tribes website as source for article; this issue is particularly persistent!! Jaybird vt (talk) 02:28, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Category:Brandywine Museums & Gardens Alliance[edit]

Hi, I've been cleaning up the museum categories across the US and recently deleted "museums in Delaware" from Category:Brandywine Museums & Gardens Alliance and will no doubt eventually get to Pennsylvania at some point. In it's place, I put the better category of Museum Organizations. You just effectively reverted the change so I came here to discuss. This Alliance is not a museum, though of course part of its charter are museums. I went through and made sure the individual museums were appropriately tagged. Comments? dm (talk) 00:11, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

PS, I'm also fine with rolling Museum organizations out of the state level, sorry, that might have been habitual. I do feel the Alliance belongs in a Museum Organization category rather than the Museum cat itself... Thoughts dm (talk) 04:20, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Museum cats[edit]

Hi, I'm just going through the state "museum" categories, one by one. Im up to Illinois by the way. I've created my share of articles in the past, mostly NRHP articles. We all contribute in different ways.

In any case, I realize smaller state like Delaware or Idaho (well, small in museum counts) have an imbalance in categories. I've tried to avoid single museum categories, but between the "type" categories and "location categories, I've also tried to bring them in line across the country. Feel free to suggest recat articles you think could be rolled up into higher level categories (Asian art museums -> Art museums) for example. You'll note I leave a museum at the higher level unless there are enough of the lower level. Sometime, there's only one museum of a type in a state, or in a county. Especially in Georgia, which has an enormous number of counties. If you want to discuss further, I'd suggest bringing it to WP:Museum I look forward to seeing your new museum articles. dm (talk) 04:15, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Delaware Museum of Natural History[edit]

I felt like I could help you build out the list of museums a bit. Any chance you can get a picture of it? Help fleshing out the article would be great too of course. I'm not sure what the local papers which might have interesting tidbits would be. Thanks dm (talk) 18:50, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

done :) dm (talk) 01:36, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Feedback on "overcategorization"[edit]

Could you take a look at some of the other states up to Massachusetts (which I'm still working on) to give some feedback on possible overcategorization. I really tried to keep your comments in mind while cleaning them up. Also, if you could photograph any of the Delaware museum exteriors, that would be great. Thanks. dm (talk) 19:34, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your review and comments, they are much appreciated. I thought through your example and agree with your reasoning, so I fixed that. To some degree, I expect to clean those types of situations up when I go through the "museums in the United States" cats. Please take a look at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Museums, there are a number of interesting edge cases I'm looking for some input on, especially things like the Umbrella Cover Museum dm (talk) 17:07, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Broken Coords[edit]

Hi. I fixed several instances of {{Coord}} on List of Guano Islands Act claims. E.g. from
{{coord|17|47|82|N|71|63|47|W... to
{{coord|17.4782|N|71.6347|W |format=dms.... Would you mind if I made the same changes to User:RevelationDirect/Sandbox, to get it out of Category:Coord template needing repair?

By the way, I didn't check all the coords, so there may be others with the same sort of error. A coord with 82 seconds or 63 minutes has an obvious problem since their ranges are 0<=n<60. However, if a coord was given as 10°50′, it won't get flagged even if it should be 10.5° (=10°30′). Since the page has a {{GeoGroupTemplate}}, you can call up a map and go through the markers to see if any don't point to an island.

—WWoods (talk) 18:53, 10 September 2009 (UTC)


You seem to be adding Category:Famous signs to articles that are not about signs. You also are adding see also information that is not appropriate. Consider Fremont Street Experience. What do Welcome to Fabulous Las Vegas sign and Wendover Will have to do with the Fremont Street Experience? Vegaswikian (talk) 05:37, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the cleanup. I don't know if others need cleanup since I only did the ones on my watch list. Time will hopefully clean any others up. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:59, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

JLC and LAWCHA[edit]

I saw your edits on Template:AFL-CIO. Neither of these are affiliates of the AFL-CIO. JLC is utterly independent, and works as much with Change To Win and independent unions as the AFL-CIO. It's the same for LAWCHA. Although both organizations have publicly stated that they intend to work with the AFL-CIO, they have also said they intend to work with CTW. - Tim1965 (talk)

John Desmond Bernal[edit]

You added JD Bernal to the category 'Stalin Peace Prize Recipients'.

There is no such prize it is called the 'Lenin Peace Prize'.

In fact 'Stalin Peace Prize' redirects to 'Lenin Peace Prize'.

I am unsure how to rename the category and redirect all those in the category to the correct page and would appreciate any help.

--Gramscis cousinTalkStalk 17:01, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Completion of Yellow Deli/Twelve Tribes Merger[edit]

Are you able to do this? Weaponbb7 (talk) 20:43, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


I assumed you knew how to do that, will read through the Deli article see what needs keepin —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weaponbb7 (talkcontribs) 02:09, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Got all the useful information out of it maybe two sentences total, go ahead do the merge and redirect all request for "yellow deli" to the Twelve tribes page Weaponbb7 (talk) 04:02, 29 October 2009 (UTC)


Hi, could you please stop adding Category:Woolworth to articles about Woolworths Limited. Woolworths Limited is not related to the F. W. Woolworth Company in any way. --Richmeistertalk 06:21, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Category:Woolworths Limited is much better. Cheers --Richmeistertalk 05:21, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, bonus question[edit]

Thanks for noticing my photo of the Grand Opera House (or is it the Grand Masonic Hall and Theater?). I've left a bonus question at Talk:Wilmington,_Delaware#806_West_Street_on_National_Register_of_Historic_Places.3F Any help appreciated. Smallbones (talk) 01:29, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

I've left a dozen or so Wilmington pix on the NRHP list - you might know how to better use them than I do. I'm (again) getting disgusted with the NRHP list organizationa and wil probably try to tackle it in a couple of weeks (after getting spring foto phever out of my system). thanks in advance for any help. Smallbones (talk) 04:47, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Paul R. Jones Collection of African American Art [edit]

Information.svg An article that you have been involved in editing, Paul R. Jones Collection of African American Art , has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Dystopos (talk) 17:16, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Affiliated unions of the Canadian Labour Congress[edit]

As the person who first made this page I disagree with the changes you have made to it. Removing large amounts of the unions because they are provincially based shows a vast lack of understanding of unions in Canada. Yes the shipyard workers of BC are a union based out of BC but they are still members of the Canadian Labour Congress. Not only national/international unions affiliate with the CLC.
Also, a union that is affiliated with another union, for example the fish allied workers and the CAW, are still independent so they are independent members of the CLC not just members through the CAW.
If you look at the links section of the CLC website you will see who they view as the membership. Finally, the Retirees' are also members of the CLC equal to any other union not just a "program of the federation." I hope you will change back the page to the original form seeing your changes are wrong but if not I will have the painstaking changes. whoneedspants (talk) 06:52, 8 March 2010.

Copied conversation to Talk:Affiliated unions of the Canadian Labour Congress Please follow it there. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:56, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Feedback request[edit]

at Talk:National_Register_of_Historic_Places_listings_in_Wilmington,_Delaware#Cleaning_up_the_New_Castle_County_lists


Smallbones (talk) 20:57, 8 April 2010 (UTC)


When you added the category Ivy League to Cornell Big Red, you were overcategorizing. Cornell Big Red was already in the category Cornell University, which in turn is in the category Ivy League. Thus, by adding the Ivy League category directly to Cornell Big Red, you essentially double-categorized it. Please review WP:OC to refresh your understanding of overcategorization. Best,—Notyourbroom (talk) 04:32, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Actually, on second glance, I may be applying Wikimedia Commons policy here. Let me see if English Wikipedia has a similar policy. —Notyourbroom (talk) 04:40, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Ah, yes: see here. "Pages are not placed directly into every possible category, only into the most specific one in any branch. This means that if a page belongs to a subcategory of C (or a subcategory of a subcategory of C, and so on) then it is not normally placed directly into C." Sorry for the talk page clutter. —Notyourbroom (talk) 04:41, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

RE: National Iranian Oil Company[edit]

Hi RevelationDirect,

Your infobox is "BP centric". For this article, I would have opted for the "oil industry" template instead, where all major oil companies (including NIOC and BP) are listed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:46, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Vessels of BP[edit]

Hi, RevelationDirect. I have some concerns if it is correct to categorize Deepawater Horizon and Iolair as vessels of BP and to include these vessels in the BP template. Actually, BP has never owned these drilling rigs and in case of Iolair, it does not work for BP at the moment. I propose to remove these vessels from the BP template and categories. Beagel (talk) 16:21, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

BP Sponsorships[edit]

I note you've added Paul Morris Motorsport to the BP Sponsorships category, presumably because of Castrol branding on Greg Murphy's V8 Supercar. Castrol have sponsored many Australian racing teams, Holden Dealer Team, Holden Racing Team, Tony Longhurst Racing, Perkins Engineering, Stone Brothers Racing briefly, although they've been more strongly assocaited with Texaco via Caltex, the Geoghegan family racing team, I think Frank Matich, JPS Team BMW, I think Volvo Dealer Racingm Charlie O'Brien's NASCAR team, Alan Horsley's factory Mazda production car 12 Hour team that dominated the old Bathurst 12 Hour, Victor Bray etc. That's just Australia. You could add Team Lotus, I'm sure a whole bunch of other motor racing teams.

But why? Why is it a valid category to collect a bunch of motor racing teams that source some of their funding from a British owned petrochemical multinational? Is it really that notable or is it trivia or fancruft or WP:Overcategorization? --Falcadore (talk) 03:47, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

A corporate cat can be useful for readers interested in understanding what sporting and social activities a company supports. That being said, it looks like I got carried away with Paul Morris Motorsport because Castrol/BP only supports the one car not the overall topic and a number of other company sponsors are mentioned.
I removed the cat from that article.
Thanks for your feedback; I'm always happy to review any of my edits.RevelationDirect (talk) 10:52, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

1988 Goodyear NASCAR 500[edit]

Again, grouping sponsorships inappropriately into categories and template. How does a one-off sponsorship of an Australian NSACAR race, 22 years ago provide additional insight into Goodyear as a company? Beyond the title of the article, there is no mention of Goodyear in the contents. Don't add articles together in templates and categories, simply because you can. Think about why these articles should be connected together. If these reason is purely cosmetic, then don't do it. If the reason is because, in the instance of Goodyear, because it expands our understanding of Goodyear then good. Please I would ask you consider more carefully what your are doing and not contribute further into turning Wikipedia into one vast trivia resource. --Falcadore (talk) 02:13, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi Falcadore,
As a tire company, Goodyear is very prominent in motorsports both as a sponsor and a supplier, something I expanded in the actual Goodyear article. Last time, when I incorrectly added a Cat to an article because it had a large number of sponsors and the company at issue was not primary, I promptly corrected my change.
But this case is different. Based, yes, on the title and the first of two sentences in the article, I'm assuming that Goodyear was the title sponsor. The article is only two sentences long so there's not much to go on:
The Goodyear NASCAR 500 race was run at the Calder Park Thunderdome, Australia in 1988. Neil Bonnett won the race.
Based on your edit comment, "one insignificant race held on another continent is not sufficiently notab", it sounds like you question whether the article itself shouldn't be deleted as trivia. That's a valid point if it can't be expanded beyond a stub. (Your edit comment also suggests that non-Australian companies should not be referenced in articles about Australia which may be less practical with so many global companies nowadays.)
For comparison, the Sprint Cup Series is in the Sprint Nextel category. Why would this article be treated differently? Thanks,RevelationDirect (talk) 03:08, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Reformed Church in America not Dutch?[edit]

What's the justification for this category change? Sorry I only got around to noticing it due to someone else's diffusion. Is the Reformed Church in America a completely separate entity from the Dutch Reformed Church? We categorize the former under the latter. Daniel Case (talk) 15:44, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

The Reformed Church in America (RCA) broke from the Dutch Reformed Church in 1819. The separation was not like the American Episcopal church under the Anglican Communion but a true split as an stand-alone church. Therefore, the church in Kingston is now an RCA church but used to be a Dutch Reformed prior to 1819. (The mother Dutch Reformed Church no longer exists so, really, there are no current Dutch Reformed churches anywhere.)
I put the RCA cat under the Dutch Refomred one because of the historical connection and because many RCA churches are still referred to coloquially as "Dutch Reformed". Based on your question though, this is just causing confusion so I updated the cats.RevelationDirect (talk) 03:30, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Historical societies[edit]

Hi, thank you for contacted me about understanding my categorization rationales. I was trying to organize the historical societies by state and link such categories within each state, so that people interested in a state's history or looking for local history organizations can more easily find them. While currently there may only be one article for a state, such as Delaware, I am sure there are other historical societies in such states and other articles that may be created in the future. Not all historical societies may be notable enough to warrant an article, but lists may be created for each state. I could easily see an article created like "List of historical societies in Delaware", like List of museums in Delaware.

In general, I believe category names should be consistent across a category, and thus "Historical societies in" ... allows for someone to easily find articles for a state of their choice. Also, I have linked the categories to organizations in each state and the history of that state, which can help someone looking for such an organization. I do not think the categories should be renamed, because if future articles are created for such categories, that would force another renaming. This way things are more consistent.

There are many historical societies in the United States, and I've looked at many websites for them. Some operate museums, but many just collect historic documents, photos, archives or artifacts, and some offer genealogical research. There is also a definite distinction between a museum and the historical society which runs the museum. The public may know the museum, but not the actual historical society name that runs it, or may be looking for information about a town and not be aware of a museum. Some historical societies also operate several museums or historic house museums. Each museum should be categorized separately, and the society as well, which should be linked to its community of focus.

I believe that historical society museums should be a subset of historical societies, not the other way around. I have linked them in that way. Jllm06 (talk) 18:57, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Philadelphia Aquarium‎ & Adventure Aquarium[edit]

Why should these aquariums point to each other in the See also section? One closed in 1962 and the other did not open until 1992. One is in PA and one is on NJ (granted, "just across the river" from each other) But they are about 3 miles and 30 years apart if my measurements and math are correct. If they have something in common warranting an entry in the See Also section, SHouldn't this be reflected in the text somehow (and cited)? Donlammers (talk) 23:47, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Donlammers,
These are the two aquariums (I don't like "aquaria") that both serve greater Philly so I thought readers of one would be likely to be interested in the other. I suppose I could create a city-based category like was done with Category:Aquaria in Paris but I didn't want to create a two-article cat with no room for growth, like was done with Category:Aquaria in Paris. If you feel strongly about it--I don't--feel free to remove the links. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:14, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
I guess the Brandywine Zoo could technically bring a city metro cat to 3 articles based on location but it's not drawing people from King of Prussia and Cherry hill. They're lucky if people drive across Wilmington and I say that as a member.RevelationDirect (talk) 00:22, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:John Deere[edit]

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Category:John Deere, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. —Justin (koavf)TCM☯ 04:12, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Edward Thaddeus Barleycorn Barber is up for speedy deletion[edit]

You can help save it! Bab-a-lot (talk) 18:47, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

The notability flag should probably be removed; the issue with the article is providing sources to back up the content. I'm having trouble finding sources online though. There is a recently published book (ISBN 1156987083) with a chapter on him but it's not in the 2 library systems I have access to. The challenge with Equatorial African articles is that there is almost no domestic publishing industry and the academic press that covers the country is usually not on the best seller list. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:40, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
I feel that some of the info may have been added by myself from what I read on Google Books. Unfortunately, I didn't cite it when I entered it. And, now, going back trying to plug in key words in Google books I can't find the texts. For one, Google books as changed since I last used it. Also, I don't think that I found the text using key words directly relative to the Barbers, Barleycorns or Fernandinos. I think I may have come across the information searching for information about the Bubi people, using the various spellings of the ethnic group's name. I haven't had a chance to go back and plug in the ethnic group name variations, yet. It's also likely that I may have searched for information about Samuel Johnson, the British man his forefather Francis Barber was enslaved/indentured to. Information about this man might be available by contacting the University of Edinburgh in England where his studied.
Also, it's not that there aren't books available. It's that they are rare and poorly documented. Also, many of the texts have been destroyed by the current dictatorship EG. I wouldn't be surprised if they have even been trying to erase what's been available on the internet about EG colonial history as the post-colonial government has been on a quest to rewrite what really happened. I'm going to keep looking. I know the info is there for citing. He and his relatives are indeed notable. Bab-a-lot (talk) 21:47, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Invitation to join WikiProject United States[edit]

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Hello, RevelationDirect! WikiProject United States, an outreach effort supporting development of United States related articles in Wikipedia, has recently been restarted after a long period of inactivity. As a user who has shown an interest in United States related topics we wanted to invite you to join us in developing content relating to the United States. If you are interested please add your Username and area of interest to the members page here. Thank you!!!

--Kumioko (talk) 02:52, 5 January 2011 (UTC)


Hi there. I noticed you've been adding a lot of categories to articles lately. Have you considered enabling the HotCat tool in your preferences? (it's under the 'Gadgets' tab) It could make your work go a lot easier. -- œ 09:37, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip; I'll check it out. RevelationDirect (talk) 12:08, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

John Deere[edit]

Please weigh in on the requested move I proposed here CTJF83 chat 17:56, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

High Ctjf83. I'll leave a detailed reply on the discussion page. Mostly though, I'm just glad someone else is interested in Midwestern specialty vehicle manufacturers. (It's not a popular niche!) In the past, I worked a lot on Caterpillar but now I'm taking more of a look at Oshkosh. I'm sure either could use a 2nd set of eyes to catch all my mistakes.
I love the signature, BTW. Much cooler than this one: RevelationDirect (talk) 04:04, 12 January 2011 (UTC)


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Re: that's OK. You're right that my intent was not to make a really broad all-encompassing statement, but I was sufficiently terse in my nomination statement that it could be interpreted that way, so you are not at fault. 05:45, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Replacing "service" with "woman's clubs" in Catholic Daughters of the Americas, Columbiettes and Daughters of Isabella[edit]

It seems to me that replacing "service" clubs category with "woman's clubs" tends to demean their work which, for Daughters of Isabella and Columbiettes, etc. eleemosynary. They are also "fraternal" but since they probably wouldn't like that word either, "woman's club" will do, but it just isn't sufficient to describe their community service IMO. Student7 (talk) 13:13, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

The parent category to women's clubs is Category:Women's organizations in the United States. Would that be a better fit for these organizations? RevelationDirect (talk) 01:26, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
No. The problem is not that category, but eliminating any categorical reference to their service work seems dismissive IMO. That is their primary focus. It's like categorizing the NAACP as a "black persons club" Student7 (talk) 00:10, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
(Category:National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is a subcategory of Category:African American organizations.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:07, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Well they do have 2 other categories for the article but I admit I made a bad choice. They are equally overlooked. That is their problem. Let me ask directly. What is the problem about allowing a category that identifies the woman's groups as "service." What is objectionable to that? That is their primary function. Okay to categorize them vaguely. Why not more accurately as well? Student7 (talk) 16:07, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
All three of these articles are already under Category:Knights of Columbus, which itself is under both Category:Fraternal and service organizations and Category:Religious service organizations so all of them are still under "service" categories, just not directly. You typically place an article under the most specific category, not every level in the subject tree. (There is an exception for the lead namesake article, Knights of Columbus, in this case.) For a clear cut example, I wouldn't place Parthenon (Nashville) under both Category:Greek Revival architecture in Tennessee and Category:Greek Revival architecture in the United States. That doesn't mean it's not in the United States, just that Tennessee is the more specific category. These are definitely service organizations, but KoC is the more specific category. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:12, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
I don't understand 1) why the vaguest category is the most important. 2) why they can't be categorized under their most important function, and 3) why you think that "woman's club" is the most important and significant category. It seems chauvinistic IMO, which is insufficiently humble I am sure!  :) It's like saying the NFL is a "Men's Group." I know. I know. You will show me that indeed that is what it is categorized as, and it "rolls up" into "Sports Group" further up the line, if you stick with it long enough. Student7 (talk) 12:19, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

I moved the articles up out of the "club" category as proposed above. I've never known "club" to have a derogatory connotation but it may be a regional English usage issue. (There are actually vast numbers of men's football teams that do fall under club categories.) Your re-adding of a redundant category isn’t harmful I guess. Best of luck in your continuing fight against misogyny. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:59, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

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Red Men Hall[edit]

Thought this would be helpful as a potential source of new information for the article. Cheers, ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 22:23, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I was having trouble finding that online! And thanks also for the citation cleanup. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:30, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

We're recruiting art lovers![edit]

Archives of American Art Wikimedia Partnership - We need you!
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Wilmington proper fully NRHP illustrated, [[State pf Pennsylvania {steamboat)]][edit]

Rev D,

I finally got the city of Wilmington (proper) fully illustrated, but it may take awhile to get al those other Wilmington sites photographed! I was looking for supporting evidence for "Captain Horace Wilson and his son, Joseph S. Wilson who ... were long-time civic and commercial leaders in Wilmington. These men, in fact, were the only father and son ever to serve as mayors of Wilmington," but couldn't find it at List of mayors of Wilmington, Delaware. I'm also looking for confiramation that the State of Pennsylvania (steamboat) was the first to host an out-going radio broadcast. Any help on the boat article would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Smallbones (talk) 01:41, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

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Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Woolworth[edit]

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Category:This American Life people[edit]

CfD I previously created Category:This American Life personalities, which was deleted--what's the difference? Please respond on my talk. —Justin (koavf)TCM☯ 07:15, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

NRHP Photo Contest[edit]

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December 2011 Newsletter for WikiProject United States[edit]

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Lady Lilith, Delaware Art Museum[edit]

I was wondering whether you're interested in the above articles that I've ben working on. Any feedback would be welcomed. Smallbones (talk) 18:10, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Nice call[edit]

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Great idea on creating a category for National Organization of Women. Thanks! SarahStierch (talk) 03:04, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Magazines (artillery)[edit]

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January 2012 Newsletter for WikiProject United States and supported projects[edit]

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WP:GLAM/Delaware Art Museum[edit]

Any interest? Smallbones (talk) 04:52, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Guam National Wildlife Refuge[edit]

Very nice job on the Guam National Wildlife Refuge. Many, many thanks for creating. It's a great Guam article. I did some very minor ce and link work on it. Wiki needs more good Guam articles. Sprinkler21 (talk) 23:54, 21 February 2012 (UTC)Sprinkler21

Thanks for helping me clean it up! RevelationDirect (talk) 03:13, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

I'm glad there is at least one other wikipedian who knows that it is generally wrong to categorize people by race. SMP0328. (talk) 03:07, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. The main bias amongst editors in the Categories for Discussion page may surprise you though: most are very cautious about any changes if the category is already broadly in use. That is why a lot of the comments share our concerns about classifying people, but then go on to vote to Keep the category as is. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:32, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
They know it's wrong, but feel it should not be changed because it has gone on for too long. I'll assume they are simply sticklers for tradition. SMP0328. (talk) 04:30, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Discussion on occupation categories[edit]

I think it would save us a lot of effort if we worked out a general principle on this. See Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion#On the categorization of biographies by (perhaps) incidental occupation. Mangoe (talk) 19:50, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Republic of China article[edit]

Since you have previously shared your view in a CfD about the Republic of China, I guess you are interested to share your insight at Talk:Republic of China#Requested Move (February 2012) too. Thanks for your attention. (talk) 11:10, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't feel 1/10 as passionate about it as the other posters, yikes! Left my (low key) thoughts. RevelationDirect (talk) 16:29, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Deletion review for Category:Electricians[edit]

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An award for you[edit]

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Gondola lifts subcategory proposal[edit]

Hello, you recently participated in a CFD relating to Gondola lifts in Hong Kong. The close rationale at that discussion suggested there may be consensus to merge each country subcategory into Category:Gondola lifts, however that outcome was outside the scope of that CFD and would require a new discussion. As such, WP:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 April 7#Subcategories of Category:Gondola lifts by country has been created. Since you participated in the previous CFD, you're invited to leave your comments at the new CFD. NULL talk
23:11, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, added my thoughts. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:12, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Islands of Fujian[edit]

You have created Category:Islands in Fujian Province, Taiwan earlier on. Do you think Category:Islands of Fujian should likewise be split, with a subcategory for PRC's Fujian Province? Jeffrey (talk) 17:04, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Based on the negative reaction in the related nomination, I was actually thinking of doing a delete as the creator. Do you think we should keep the category then? RevelationDirect (talk) 02:04, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
It's actually okay to keep it in my opinion. But if it's kept it gotta be renamed. The current name doesn't sound natural or usual. I'd prefer Category:Islands of Fujian Province (Republic of China) or Category:Islands of Fujian Province, Republic of China. Jeffrey (talk) 21:52, 13 April 2012 (UTC) 22:18, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
The result of that nom was no consensus, which counts both for and against. If you're concerned about support, you could try an RFC before making any changes. Greater community input is always a good thing on heated topic areas like this. NULL talk
23:06, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
What do you think about running the nom again, but splitting it. Do the easy upmerge of Category:Archipelagoes of the Republic of China and Category:Taiwan island group first, and when that's done, proposing the merge of Category:Islands of the Republic of China to Category:Islands of Taiwan. As Null said, both with greater input. It'd be useful to have a central location to note all the proposals being discussed. I guess the best there currently is is Talk:Taiwan. CMD (talk) 02:54, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
I honestly thought this nomination would be non-controversial but, sure, I'll break it down and give it another try. Just listed the more narrow nomination as you suggested. Maybe we can build some trust with this one. I'll also post a notice at Talk:Taiwan. Thanks. RevelationDirect (talk) 18:28, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Actually, I put the notice at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Taiwan which might be a better spot than the article talk. RevelationDirect (talk) 21:55, 14 April 2012 (UTC)



In recognition of all the work you’ve done lately! (talk) 20:24, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Category_names#Supranational_.2F_historical_country_categories[edit]

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A barnstar for you[edit]

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Discussion at Category_talk:Facebook_groups#criteria[edit]

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New CfD[edit]

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Fictional casinos[edit]

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Wikipedia Loves Libraries Seattle[edit]

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Category:Male film directors[edit]

Fantr (talk · contribs) has begun a CFD here. I invite you to add any comments. — Cirt (talk) 21:19, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Old CFD notification[edit]

Hello; in January 2012 you participated in a discussion where it was decided that Category:Latin loanwords and Category:Russian loanwords should be listified and then deleted. These two categories have been listed at WP:CFDWM since the discussion was closed on 3 February 2012, but no editor has undertaken the task.
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Got the right pic[edit]

For Turkey Hill Experience

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Smallbones(smalltalk) 20:17, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Cool, thanks! RevelationDirect (talk) 02:06, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Zesty Health Ltd[edit]

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Articles for Deletion: Adams Crossroads, Delaware[edit]

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Brownie: Humemodern[edit]

Brownie transparent.png Thanks for sorting the categories on Humemodern. I'm copyediting the article as a member of the WP:GoCE, so thanks for clearing some of the non-copyediting work! Regards, RainCity471report my errorslist of failures 11:42, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Arkansas Historic Preservation Program[edit]

Hello. I noticed that you had created a redirect, Arkansas Historic Preservation Program, but that page redirects to itself. I have been unable to identify the correct target, otherwise I would have fixed it myself. Please could you take a look? Thanks. – Wdchk (talk) 01:09, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Hmmm, rather a baffling edit. I think I was attempting to redirect it to the parent agency, Department of Arkansas Heritage, but there is no article for that either. No objection if you wish to delete it.RevelationDirect (talk) 01:27, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
Not to worry. WP:CSD#G8 does seem to apply, so I'll tag it accordingly. – Wdchk (talk) 02:11, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_December_4#Category:African_people_of_Arab_descent[edit]

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A cup of coffee for you![edit]

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Horse cats[edit]

Say, just an FYI that it would be much appreciated if you could ping WikiProject Equine (WPEQ) when you are recommending changes in the horse/equine categories. I don't see a problem with the recent one upmerging Horse burials to Category:Horses in culture and religion, but it's lots easier to weigh in at the time than to request a redetermination later... this has been kind of a problem lately -- I have many of the horse cats watchlisted, but not all, and often we pick up on this only after some change has been made. Some of the categories unquestionably would benefit from streamlining and cleanup, but knowing what's up allows WPEQ to weigh in - sometimes with suggestions that would be helpful. Better yet, do it before and you might get us to help support you (at least when we agree). Montanabw(talk) 07:44, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

I will. If you can also make sure WPEQ is on the category talk pages, it makes it easier to know who to notify. Thank for your feedback! RevelationDirect (talk) 10:59, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
There are several hundred categories there, many are tagged, not all are. Anyone who wants to help is welcome to do so. In the meantime, the word "horse" or "equine" or "equestrian" should be a dead giveaway!  ;-) Montanabw(talk) 20:39, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Grand Central Station (Memphis, Tennessee)[edit]

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Thanks, nomination has been disputed. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:56, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Windows category[edit]

Hi, I was about to withdraw my nomination at , but you have added your view there. Would you object if I closed it as Withdrawn? – Fayenatic London 06:07, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

No problem. RevelationDirect (talk) 14:26, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, all the more for stating so at the CfD page. – Fayenatic London 16:51, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

AAMCO Transmissions[edit]

Hi, I posted a proposed update to the AAMCO page here Talk:AAMCO Transmissions/proposed update

I had noticed that you'd done some work on other transmission related pages for the automobiles project, and hoped that you'd be able to help me get these edits applied.

Thanks! Stefannagey (talk) 16:32, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello,, thank you for the improvements to the article. It's a little counter-intuitive but Wikipedia doesn't allow citations from sites that are user generated (like Wikipedia!) so I would get rid of the Youtube citation per WP:NOYT. Otherwise I think this is an improvement and don't see an issue moving this to the article page. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:39, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for your guidance! I've modified the reference to cite a story in the Philadelphia Business Journal. Please let me know what else I can do to move this forward! Stefannagey (talk) 16:02, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
I would move the edits to the production; they're clearly better than what's there now. For the basics of editing, Wikipedia:Tutorial and Wikipedia:GLAM/Beginner's guide to Wikipedia can be helpful. (They can also be tedious in a few places because they are real basic.) RevelationDirect (talk) 02:32, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Julian Assange[edit]

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Textile machinery[edit]

Hi- you have been recently re-categorising most things connected to cotton. Just a thought- most of these article haven't been assessed- would you fancy having a go for Wikipedia:WikiProject Mills? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ClemRutter (talkcontribs) 09:10, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

@ClemRutter: I started with a smaller group with Category:Silk mills and the subcategory. Most of them weren't tagged with Wikipedia:WikiProject Mills at all and I added the ratings. One thing that is challenging is that the British mills tend to have a lot more information than the American ones so I rated them as more important; it's possible though that stub articles have an important topic but it's hard to tell. Let me know how I did. RevelationDirect (talk) 12:45, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the compliment- it took a lot of hard work to do that!-- Clem Rutter (talk) 08:24, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
I think the first task was to attack the backlog- and that you have done. Establishing importance will always be difficult as we have such a wide group of mills silk, cotton, wool, grain, pugmills. If we take the larger mills- then importance is enhanced by it being the first of type, last of type and it being involved in a nationally important event. I am biased, coming from a cotton mill area and may overemphasise the importance- knowing that when the mill closes a town dies- so if the town is important then the mill must be too. However, one town may have a dozen mills (or more) and they cannot all be of equal importance! I am quite happy to leave the decision to you. Equally, mills can be unloved and no-one has enough interest in them to do them justice- hence the stub. From our POV the stub doesn't give enough information to allow us to assess their importance! -- Clem Rutter (talk) 11:14, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion vehicle categories[edit]

I have a concept which I put forward from time to time that, to my mind, would solve the category problem under discussion. I have put it on that page and I would be very pleased if you would read it and comment. Thanks, Eddaido (talk) 07:32, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Great! I'll take a look. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:18, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Category:Textile workers[edit]

This doesn't sound right- Aunt Flossy at her sewing machine is a textile worker but an entrepreneur who devised new process is an Inventor- I don't think one category can catch them all- at least I can't think of the heading for one. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 08:28, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Maths rating template on Category:Pretzel knots and links[edit]

Hello! I've removed the WikiProject Maths rating template you added to this category, not because it was incorrect but because the maths project actually doesn't keep track of categories (or disambiguation pages, redirects, templates, books, portals...). Having it tagged for maths would mean that it would become a permanently unclassified page, causing confusion and untidiness in keeping up with the state of the maths project. For most other WikiProjects you'd have been spot on, but the maths project only tracks mainspace articles. Didn't want the revert to seem like a slap in the face! Thanks for contributing to the encyclopedia! Bryanrutherford0 (talk) 13:16, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Diocese categories overused and underpopulated[edit]

If you wish, please join Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_September_27#Category:Bishops_of_Alais.E2.80.8E. And thanks for reacting on the bishops survey! Marcocapelle (talk) 05:26, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Laplets category[edit]

Hello, fellow editor. Are you still insist on deletion of laplets category? TranslucentCloud (talk) 14:38, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

I still have concerns that the category may not be defining, although I have no problem with the article. It doesn't look like my nomination is gaining much traction though. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:33, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

São Tomé and Príncipe[edit]

Hi, I saw that you are part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Sao Tome and Principe. Can you speak Portugese? São Tomé and Príncipe is one of the only countries that we don't have copyright information on in the article List of countries' copyright lengths. I think that the answer is in this document. Would you please be able to find out the copyright term in São Tomé and Príncipe? Orthogonal1 (talk) 08:53, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Bargain basement listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Bargain basement. Since you had some involvement with the Bargain basement redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Si Trew (talk) 21:59, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up! 01:18, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for notifying myself concerning the Employees of the Alabama Legislature category. I want to acknowledge that I received your message.RFD (talk) 12:34, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Sure, thank you for contributing to the discussion. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:21, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Progressive Field[edit]

Help!!!! I have the website for the reference on the new ballpark capacity of 38,000 starting in 2015, but it will not let me put the reference in. The reference is Can you help me??????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:13, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

@ Hello, I added the citation to the infobox for you. (I assume that's where it was needed). I'm not sure what the problem was as that page doesn't seem to have any protection/vandalism issues. I've heard other anonymous/IP editors mention similar problems though so you might want to consider registering an account to make things easier. Up to you. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:43, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Nominated Levantine-Greek Orthodox Christianity for speedy deletion[edit]

Hi RevelationDirect,

Though I appreciate your efforts in resolving the issue with the cats, I don't believe this page to be worthy of mainspace. It has no content; no references; and defines a term that is, allegedly, only used on Wikipedia. (talk) 19:32, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

@ Please join the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 December 16#Category:People of Levantine-Greek Orthodox Christian descent to find other ways to revolve the category issues. Thanks RevelationDirect (talk) 03:55, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Category:Streets in San Antonio, Texas[edit]

Deleted. Just remember that any new page can be speedy deleted by G7, user-requested, if you're the only contributor. You don't have to tag it for deletion; you just have to let an administrator know that you want it to be deleted. Nyttend (talk) 00:29, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks!RevelationDirect (talk) 00:30, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Category:Medieval mythology[edit]


"Category:Medieval mythology
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Category:Medieval mythology had two things in it, Draconcopedes and Christian Mythology. Draconcopedes is more accurately described as a legend since it was included in some medieval zoologies, so I added it to Category:Medieval legends. While Christian Mythology has a small amount of info about the Middle ages, the majority is not. I removed both things from the category because they didn't really belong there, and the category itself seemed redundant with Category:Medieval legends existing. So with nothing in it Currently, I think it is a good candidate for deletion. If it is felt this a good category, I can move Draconcopedes back there. Perhaps some more articles should be listed there in that case. Lightgodsy(TALKCONT) 12:15, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment Thanks for giving background on what used to be in the category. RevelationDirect (talk) 06:54, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Weak Support I suspect there may be a viable category here but, without a main article on Medieval mythology, it's impossible to know what to put in it or to know the difference between that and Medieval legends. No objection to recreating later if this topic is expanded on the article space. RevelationDirect (talk) 06:54, 11 January 2015 (UTC)"

to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 January 11 from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 January 10.

Yesterday I forgot to tag the category with {{subst:cfd}} (to officially nominate it for deletion) so the category was linking to Jan. 11th, not the 10th. Just wanted to let you know because I moved your comment and weak support along with my Nomination. I didn't want to move anything you wrote, without in good faith letting you know about it.
Lightgodsy(TALKCONT) 12:42, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks. RevelationDirect (talk) 13:15, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Category:Streets in Perth[edit]

Category:Streets in Perth, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Evad37 [talk] 04:23, 16 January 2015 (UTC)


thank you for your edits to the article i posted! #learning — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:06, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Always happy to help with categorization. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:01, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Category:Death in New York City[edit]

I don't know how you feel, but please take a look at another category up for deletion.

Category:Woodstock Festival CfD closed[edit]

For your information, see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_March_14#Category:Woodstock_Festival. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:08, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Purge completed per CFD outcome, and I made some other improvements to the category. RevelationDirect (talk) 04:17, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the change in category title[edit]

I have to thank you for properly categorizing the Black fraternal association (Rename to Category:African-American firefighting organizations to reflect the actual contents. This is well populated and a viable category despite the poor name.) I had simply named the category to house all the various chapters nationwide and hadn't thought out that it might fall under another category and parent. CaptJayRuffins (talk) 14:27, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Category:Caldecott Medal winners[edit]

Recently you expressed doubt that Category:Caldecott Medal winners should include those writers of the picture book text who were not also the illustrators. That is how I understand your doubt "that we should place author under it with Category:Caldecott Medal winners".[2]

We do not include writers in the Caldecott Medal winners, as we should not. When extra biographies show up in the category --I know from experience with this award and also the British Kate Greenaway Medal and its Category:Kate Greenaway Medal winners-- those pages represent illustrators of runner-up Caldecott Honor Books rather than writers who worked with winning illustrators.

Just now I checked the category again and fixed two offending biographies of Honor Book illustrators. The 68 pages in the winners category again represent only illustrators who have won Caldecott Medals. --P64 (talk) 17:25, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

P.S. and represent them completely in that we have pages for all winners (not true of the Greenaway Medal). --P64 (talk) 17:28, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

@P64: Thanks for the follow-up. I was unsure about whether we should group people under Category:Caldecott Medal winners in general, not whether a few stray extra biography articles had been added in error. (My comment was more of an aside, since only the Category:Caldecott Medal-winning works was even up for discussion.) @Johnpacklambert: was the one who raised the question about the author/illustrator and I'm sure he appreciates your cleanup. RevelationDirect (talk) 19:08, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Barnstar of Diligence Hires.png The Barnstar of Diligence
Diligence in the area of construction, a whole range of templates and more than enough added categories for me to award this barnstar! Ddrap14 (talk) 03:29, 14 May 2015 (UTC)


Emscherkunst Tanzender Strommast Zauberlehrling 04 Crop.jpg A Thank-you for you!
Thanks! Ddrap14 (talk) 03:47, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

List of Guano Island claims[edit]

Hi RevelationDirect,

I notice that you created the article entitled: List of Guano Island claims. A great article by the way!


When you did so, you only listed 8 of the 9 United States Minor Outlying Islands. I was wondering if there was a reason why you didn't list Wake Island.

In the six years since the article was created, nobody else has added it, so a part of me is thinking that there is a very good reason for that. However, I can't find out anywhere what is so different about Wake Island as to why it's not listed.

So I thought I'd raise it with you.

All the best,

Standingfish (talk) 03:10, 29 July 2015 (UTC)