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Category:Round Square Schools[edit]

Hi, i'm not sure if i'm doing this right, but I'm looking for the person who created the category:Round Square schools page. The information on the page is wrong and details a lot of schools who are not member schools and this has been notice by a member of the Round Square board. Please remove this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KatieRoundSquare (talkcontribs) 15:22, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

@KatieRoundSquare: To see who created a category, click on the "View history" tab and find the oldest entry. In this case it's Kappa (talkcontribs). Good luck on working with them to fix any issues! RevelationDirect (talk) 00:42, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you so much! It's been a nightmare trying to resolve this — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:24, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Suggestion re cancer CFD[edit]

Re [1] - you could insert "English" after "higher percentage of" to make the point clearer. DexDor (talk) 06:03, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip; done. RevelationDirect (talk) 12:31, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Category:Waheed Murad[edit]

I am advised to contact you for the un-deletion of Category:Waheed Murad as I intend to improve it. Kindly give me a chance to do so. - (talk) 20:57, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

You don't need my permission but I'm happy to offer advice. Please read the WP:EPONCAT guideline. With that in mind, what articles were you going to put in the category? RevelationDirect (talk) 02:53, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

I am going to include different articles on Waheed Murad in this category but first I have to read it that is why I have requested for undeletion.

The category had been filled with nearly every article that linked to Waheed Murad and would be a poor starting point. I would start with the Waheed Murad article and work out from there. RevelationDirect (talk) 11:04, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Word of thanks...[edit]

Thanks for the kind remark about the Tiffany Cross article. At the time I put it together, I was going for a featured list. But my mentor quit Wikipedia, and it never happened. To use a biblical phrase, I was "sore afraid" that what we were taking about was deleting it. The overlapping interests found in Wikipedia continue to amaze. I never made the encyclopedic connection to the overall company story, and now I have ☺. Best, user:JMOprof ©¿©¬ 17:45, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

That's my favorite thing about Wikipedia, that I can follow alternative connections I hadn't thought of! RevelationDirect (talk) 19:03, 24 January 2016 (UTC)


Thanks for letting me know - I have no objection. Thanks, RD. Neutralitytalk 15:14, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Collection of records of fights between bears and bulls[edit]

[1]Leo1pard (talk) 17:12, 19 March 2016 (UTC)


  1. ^ Storer, T.I.; Tevis, L.P. (1996-12-27). California Grizzly. Berkeley, CA: University of California Press. pp. 42–187. ISBN 0520205200. Retrieved 2016-03-19. 
  • Reply Please take a look at the articles in the Category:Blood sports tree. I think those might offer a better format for covering animal fighting in California rather than the Animal 1 vs. Animal 2 model. RevelationDirect (talk) 17:18, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Encyclopedism cat[edit]

Now that the AfD discussion for Encyclopedism, could you now give your opinion on the category so we can perhaps reach consensus?--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 00:54, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Sure, I updated my thoughts now that the article is being kept. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:16, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Encyclopedias and/or Reference Works[edit]

Would you like to support the creation of and/join the proposed Wikiproject for Encyclopedias and/or Reference Works--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 22:44, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

CFD closure[edit]

Hi; I have closed this CFD. Do you know how to make the appropriate edits to the necessary templates to empty the categories? I got lost in the process of trying to figure it out. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:08, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

I'll take a look when I have some more time this weekend. RevelationDirect (talk) 09:14, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
@Good Olfactory: I'm not of much help here. I was going to point you to Template talk:WP1.0#v0.7 category but it looks like Fayenatic london already posted this issue at Wikipedia:Requested templates. I'm willing to learn once I see how someone makes these changes for this since there are similar categories I'd like to nominate. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:47, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. I thought it was worth a shot. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:48, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Barnstars are simply not good enough[edit]

If there was a prize for thoroughness and taking the issue of CFD with the seriousness it really should encourage, your most recent edits are too good for barnstars The simple but good humour and tact with the Indonesian project has an exemplary quality that should be revered JarrahTree 01:38, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Haha, thanks! RevelationDirect (talk) 02:14, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Clarification suggestion[edit]

In your comment at WT:CAT do you mean "'s still reasonable to categorize Category:Amazon River under Category:International rivers of South America since the whole category (more or less) belongs there. But all the local state categories, like Category:Rivers of Pará, are not appropriate as parents of Category:Amazon River since only a fraction of the Amazon is there." (changes in bold) ? DexDor (talk) 22:01, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for copyediting my semi-incoherent comments. I clarified that post. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:39, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Cat: J150W discussion[edit]

Belated thanks for useful answer. (I had nothing to add.) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:27, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

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Looks like they rebranded to Legacy Christian Academy (Ohio) so this isn't needed. RevelationDirect (talk) 22:08, 2 July 2016 (UTC)


Hi, the Gadget-Cat-a-lot can modify just 200 pages at the same time.

Haw i can do to modify all pages of a category at the same time?

-- Smith 18:06, 9 July 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

You know I'm not sure. The Gadget talk page might be able to help you. RevelationDirect (talk) 04:02, 21 July 2016 (UTC)


Hi. I've reverted this. I think it was a simple mistake, based on the reference to its flip-side song, King. Let me know if I've messed up! --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 15:16, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Oops, you're right; I read that too quickly. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:26, 20 July 2016 (UTC)


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A discussion you may be interested in[edit]

I have just made a new nomination for renaming categories for those U.S cities where the article doesn't include the state name. Since you participated in a recent discussion about this, you may want to express your opinion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 September 6#Major US cities. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 16:18, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Erin Brockovich and Category:Works involved in a lawsuit[edit]

I am curious why you included the film Erin Brockovich in the category Works involved in a lawsuit. That category is for a film, book, play or other literary or similar work itself is challenged in court or someone's use of that work is challenged in court. It does not include works that are about a lawsuit.

Now, if someone was sued over this film or the film itself was challenged in a lawsuit, it would be appropriate to include it. If so, this fact should be included in the article (see the example in Carnal Knowledge where a Georgia theater manager was prosecuted for showing the film). If not, that category should be removed from the film's article. Let me know within a week if that is the case, otherwise if I don't hear from you by next Wednesday I'm going to remove the category from the article about the movie Erin Brockovich). Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) (talk) 06:06, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

@Rfc1394: Good catch, I misread the category to be for works *about* a lawsuit. I undid that edit. Thanks. RevelationDirect (talk) 22:53, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Recategorisation of ChildLine[edit]

ChildLine is not a 'crisis helpline' so Robot - Speedily moving category Helplines to Category:Crisis hotlines per CFDS. is incorrect. ChildLine is a free 24-hour counselling service for children and young people, ie it is available to those who are not in crisis, though that may be the case. I understand that the proposed change was unopposed, but I guess those like me who understand the aims and purposes of the organisation to do follow these things closely. Can you revert? Shipsview (talk) 11:59, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

@Shipsview: Thanks for the feedback. To give a little background on the category rename, the main article for the category is and has always been Crisis hotline. Generally, we like to keep the main article and category the same both to make it easier to navigate and because the main article will help people know what belongs in that category. You think helpline is a broader term than "crisis hotline" and that ChildLine no longer fits. I don't disagree with you. I guess the question is how should we fix this?
  • 1. You could propose renaming the category back with a WP:CFD nomation. (I would not favor this approach but feel free to disagree with me.)
  • 2. You could rename the crisis hotline article to helpline as Fayenatic suggested through a Requested Move. (If that passed, I would speedy rename the category back so it matches the new main article name.)
  • 3. We could recategorize the article. (I did this for now and moved the article into the awkwardly named Category:Information by telephone parent category.)
Thanks for sharing my interest in making sure categories are right. Hope that helps! RevelationDirect (talk) 04:00, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. I do not understand where the "category is and has always been Crisis hotline" comes from as I can see nothing in the article that states this. However, helpline is a more accurate reflection of the organisation than crisis hotline, so again, thank you. Shipsview (talk) 17:01, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
No, I meant that's always been the name of the main article (Crisis hotline); the corresponding category (Category:Helplines) was obviously just changed. Do you think the article should be renamed? RevelationDirect (talk) 21:34, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
Am I am being incredibly thick? The word 'crisis' is not mentioned in the ChildLine article. Or are you asking if the Crisis hotline article should be renamed? To which my response would be 'I think not'?Shipsview (talk) 17:37, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
I don't seem to be explaining well; sorry if I'm the one being thick or maybe we just disagree so much it's hard for us to communicate. I didn't change the ChildLine article per se. Rather, the category was automatically renamed at the bottom of every article. The "Helpline" category no longer exists.
Since you don't favor renaming [Crisis hotline]], perhaps the best way forward is to focus on the ChildLine article and see if the categories I added to the bottom of that page are a good fit. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:44, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
I am happy with your selection of categories. Thank you! Shipsview (talk) 15:38, 6 December 2016 (UTC)


notifying a project of a cfd - I never thought I would ever see that - is that a personal initiative or had it been initiated somewhere I hadnt noticed? - whichever - thanks for doing that - and have a safe new year ! JarrahTree 02:52, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

@JarrahTree: More of a personal initiative, at least so far. While everyone in the CFD discussions is sincere, changes are often made without any feedback to the recommendation which concerns me so I've been doing some manual tagging. The results have been uneven though since so many (most?) WikiProjects are inactive. Appreciate the encouragement! RevelationDirect (talk) 11:35, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
Well done even more so then, in the past, so many cfds were never ever referred to the subject area projects and you could wake up one morning to find a whole landscape changed without notice - as for all the quiet projects - what a very sensitive issues that is.... theyre not inactive - it's... nah I can only think of allusive frank zappa jokes or lewis carroll verses - none really possible here... JarrahTree 12:10, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Trinitas Hospital[edit]

Hello RevelationDirect,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Trinitas Hospital for deletion, because it seems to be copied from another source, probably infringing copyright.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to rewrite it in your own words, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions.

Mduvekot (talk) 03:01, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

@Mduvekot: I originally just created a redirect page; your substantive concerns are with edits made by User talk: so I copied your notice there. I did make a response in the AFD, specifically that I favored going back to that original redirect if the nomination succeeds. Thanks for the notice! RevelationDirect (talk) 03:29, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
Sorry about that RevelationDirect. It's a bug feature in the new page review tool that it notifies the original creator (of the redirect), not the editor who turned a redirect into an article. Thanks for passing on the notification. Mduvekot (talk) 03:33, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Film categories[edit]

Categories by nation are non-diffusing, as noted at the top of Category:American films and Category:British films. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:54, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Oops, sorry about that! RevelationDirect (talk) 15:17, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Splitting out musical groups by number cats[edit]

I have nominated several specific categories today and yesterday (see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 October 4#Category:Musical sextets for example) which you may wish to comment on, based on the previous discussion. Mangoe (talk) 14:58, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Premature categories[edit]

Please don't recreate Category:2018 television seasons or Category:2018 American television seasons again. The criteria for inclusion is "seasons that have aired at least one episode in 2018" (emphasis added). Since it's not 2018, it's impossible to populate the categories, yet people do because they don't bother checking the inclusion criteria. As a result we get a heap of articles added to a category that they shouldn't be added to, sometimes 8 or 9 months early. This and previous incarnations of the category have been consistently deleted. In fact Category:2018 American television seasons was deleted only two days ago. --AussieLegend () 04:27, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

@AussieLegend: Thank you for the feedback, I'm sure people create crazy categories years into the future using WP:CRYSTALBALL, especially when fans are first time editors.I also know you do a lot of great work with cleanup. Let's discuss this a little further:
  • Process: The categories were deleted using WP:C1, which is for categories that have been empty at least a week. Since the head category had a dozen articles a few hours ago, I've asked the administrator to restore the categories here. This is more than just a pedantic issue: categories deleted with C1 can be recreated by any editor at any time without discussion as soon articles appear which explains why these categories keep getting recreated over and over.
  • Substance: 2018 is two months away, so seasons scheduled to air in January, of which there are a number especially of reality shows, would like be in post-production, if not in the can ready to go. From a practical standpoint, it's certainly possible that an individual season would be canceled (say the reality star kills somebody) or the show will be delayed, although probably not as far out as 2019 so future maintenance with exceptions are possible. But that seems to be less of a maintenance issue than moving every articles from Category:Upcoming television series to Category:2018 television series. (And, if the season were cancelled, as noted above, "upcoming" would be just as wrong as "2018".) I've re-read the WP:TVUP style guide and I don't see a clear category application. These categories to easily pass the standard under the WP:CRYSTAL policy which prohibits content only "if preparation for the event is not already in progress". Most importantly, I think this category will help readers find articles they are interested in the same categories they find other articles in.
You edit TV articles more than me. Did I overlook a different policy/guideline/consensus? How come you don't find these categories useful for navigation? I'm happy to change direction to improve the encyclopedia. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:50, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
Again, the criteria for inclusion is that episodes have aired in that year, in this case 2018. Since it's still 2017, it's impossible to populate the category until at least 1 January 2018, so it's pointless that the category/ies exist until then. As I said, they have been deleted several times, and this happens each year.
categories deleted with C1 can be recreated by any editor at any time without discussion as soon articles appear - Except that no articles exist that can be added to those categories until 1 January 2018 for the reason I've already stated. For example, Dancing on Ice (series 10), Ex on the Beach (series 8), RuPaul's Drag Race: All Stars (season 3), Singer 2018, The Bachelor (season 22), The Voice Kids (Russia, season 5) and X Factor (Denmark season 11) haven't aired a single episode in 2018 so they don't fit the inclusion criteria for the categories. It's not at all relevant whether programs might be in post-production, the fact remains that they haven't aired a single episode in 2018 so they shouldn't be in the category. What has happened in the past, right up until today, is that editors add the articles to the category and they see it's blue so they think all is OK. When the category is red, at least everyone knows that the article shouldn't be in that category.
But that seems to be less of a maintenance issue than moving every articles from Category:Upcoming television series - Articles still have to be moved from that category, even if the 2018 categories exist.
We did have a discussion about these categories some time ago. The discussion is archived here. --AussieLegend () 12:52, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
@AussieLegend: Thank you for the thoughtful reply. I took a look at the WikiProject TV discussion you provided from 2014 and I also found a discussion that looks very similar to this one when @BrownHairedGirl: recreated the same category I did. I'm pretty comfortable with my reading of WP:CRYSTAL for the need to be able to navigate to these articles and that matches how well populated Category:2018 is. But, honestly, I'm not so much concerned about "winning" with this particular category as I am making sure we get away from the repetitive cycle where non-empty categories are deleted as empty, later editors find an article that (arguably) fits in the category, recreate the category since it will no longer be empty, and then get the notice above. This doesn't foster collaboration (and it has to be frustrating for you too!)
How do these options sound?:
  • Revise the Header: I don't place much importance in headers because they are non-binding and don't show up in HotCat. But, the formal inclusion criteria is important to you and I want to balance your viewpoint. If I recreated the categories and changed the inclusion criteria to "This category is for television seasons that have aired or are scheduled to air at least one episode in 2018" would that alleviate your concern?
  • Make Redirects: If we make the next couple years redirects to Category:Upcoming television seasons, users could find them more easily, and you could put a note on the actual redirect asking editors to wait until January to make it a separate category.
  • Something Else?: I'm open to other ideas!
If none of those work, let's have @Cyphoidbomb: restore the categories and you can submit a formal WP:CFD nomination. That will give us a more formal consensus going forward. Thanks! RevelationDirect (talk) 16:41, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
@AussieLegend: Did any of my proposed compromises above sound worthwhile to you or do we just respectfully disagree on this topic? RevelationDirect (talk) 00:53, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
This category is for television seasons that have aired or are scheduled to air at least one episode in 2018 - This is how the categories are being treated by some editors now with editors adding articles to the categories 10 months prior to any episodes airing. The wording just begs for WP:CRYSTAL additions.
users could find them more easily, - I don't see the point. If the season is upcoming then it can be added to Category:Upcoming television seasons. These categories are for seasons that are airing episodes already. They shouldn't be redirected to a category with a completely different pupose.
If none of those work, let's have @Cyphoidbomb: restore the categories and you can submit a formal WP:CFD nomination. - Recreating an empty category that can't possibly be populated for two months serves absolutely no useful purpose. The entire point of having WP:CSD#C1 is to avoid the need to go through a formal deletion discussion just to delete an empty category. Practically, restoring the categories makes no sense. By the time the categories were restored and a CfD was started, the categories would only be 2 days from being deleted anyway, and a CfD shouldn't be started for a category that has a valid speedy deletion tag on it. The inclusion criteria are clear. You should never have added the articles to them in the first place because they didn't meet the inclusion criteria. One of the categories that you created had only just been deleted because it was empty. If you had observed and complied with the inclusion criteria then we wouldn't even be having this discussion. --AussieLegend () 15:31, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

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Happy Holidays[edit]

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Category:Phi Beta Pi Medical Fraternity[edit]

IMO, just as the article is Phi Beta Pi, the category should be as well. Opinion?Naraht (talk) 15:37, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

@Naraht: Yeah, I agree, along with Category:Phi Chi Medical Fraternity. You want to submit that or should I? RevelationDirect (talk) 21:25, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Go ahead. I'm Seeing if I can find any others that are similar. Only one that leaps out when I do a regex search is Category:Chi Psi Fraternity, which I think needs to as well.. Kappa Alpha Society, Kappa Alpha Order and Delta Phi Epsilon (social) have cats named after them, but they match the article.Naraht (talk) 21:45, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
All 3 submitted for speedy renaming. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:31, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanx.Naraht (talk) 22:31, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Mark Hatfield[edit]

Mark Hatfield served as the National Third Vice President of Alpha Phi Omega. I have added that fact and the reference thereof to the article (though I'm not thrilled with where I put it). As such, I have added him back into the Alpha Phi Omega category. (IMO, none of the people on List of Alpha Phi Omega members belong there other that Hatfield, Frank Reed Horton, and H. Roe Bartle. (The last two served as the first two National President of Alpha Phi Omega.Naraht (talk) 21:57, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

OK, sounds good. If they're a national leader that's certainly defining. A lot of the biography articles are so short it's hard to tell what attributes are defining. Some of these organizations have a list articles of members/brothers/sisters which is a better format. RevelationDirect (talk) 22:22, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Oh, absolutely. I'm probably responsible for 95% of List of Alpha Phi Omega members.Naraht (talk) 22:55, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Category:WPIX has been nominated for discussion[edit]

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