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February 9

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on February 9, 2024.

Orthodox Islam

I am not sure this is unambiguous. While Orthodoxy#Islam claims it could refer to Sunni Islam, the edit summary in changing this redirect target seems non-neutral. —Lights and freedom (talk ~ contribs) 07:28, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marathi Medium

A series by the name of "Medium" is not mentioned at the target article. A WP:REDLINK seems to be more appropriate, or pointing elsewhere it is mentioned. Is apparently TBA. There is also Marathi medium schools. Utopes (talk / cont) 07:18, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

John Xina

Same reasons as the deletion for Zhong xina brought about by this discussion; refers to a meme no longer covered at the target. This case does use the name "John", but still feels unlikely, even if somewhat closer. The lowercase has some history, but I don't foresee it ever being utilized given the nature of it. Utopes (talk / cont) 06:51, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 GOP

Lots of things are happening in the Republican Party in 2024, not just the primaries. If I had to pick a target it would be History of the Republican Party (United States) § The Biden years: 2021–present, but I don't really think this is a plausible search term. So, delete. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 03:13, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Couldn't disagree more. Make a Google search using the terms "2024 GOP." It's nothing but articles discussing the primaries. As plausible as it gets. That's why I even added the redirect. TheCelebrinator (talk) 05:09, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as seems to point to the right target, seems plausible enough. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 10:16, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep try typing it into google and see what comes up. Scu ba (talk) 19:51, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Google and Wikipedia handle searches differently. Google is trying to find webpages (particularly recent ones) most associated with the words you search. For "2024 GOP", sure, that's the 2024 GOP primaries. That doesn't mean that, for Wikipedia's purposes, "2024 GOP" is a term used to refer to the GOP primaries. What we care about is search terms that could plausibly refer to the article's subject or to a concept discussed in an article. Unlike Google, we don't give someone a results list when there's a redirect; we confidently tell them, "This is what you meant". And we can't confidently assert that here, because "2024 GOP" already means something else: the Republican Party as exists in 2024 (as in "the 2024 GOP cares a lot about immigration"). It does not mean, and has never meant, the 2024 Republican primaries. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 20:22, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per TheCelebrinator and Alextejithompson. It's clear that the primary topic for people using this search term is the 2024 GOP primaries, it's also clear that it is a plausible search term. Thryduulf (talk) 21:24, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Thryduulf: Can you point to any sources actually using this term to refer to the primaries themselves? This isn't something like Euro 2024 that's a common shortening of a longer name. It's just the first two words of 2024 GOP primaries, which is why it comes up in search results. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 23:04, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As this is not a request to move the page to that title, that isn't relevant. There are only two questions that are relevant: 1. is this a plausible search term, and 2. if so, what is the best target for a redirect from this title. The answer to question 1 is "yes" - we have evidence above to that effect. The answer to 2 is unquestionably the current target. Thryduulf (talk) 00:38, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Of course it's relevant, Thryduulf. We do not keep redirects that are just an arbitrary fragment of a name for something, simply because Google associates that fragment with its whole. Would we redirect 2024 Summer to 2024 Summer Olympics? Most Google results for it are about just that. 96th Academy to 96th Academy Awards? Same thing there. If no sources refer to the primaries as "2024 GOP", then that is not just relevant here, it is the only thing that is relevant here. So again, I ask that someone show sources that anyone other than TheCelebrinator uses this term this way. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 02:27, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Indeed we don't keep arbitrary fragments when they aren't useful and/or don't have a single clear target. e.g. the first page of Google hits for "2024 summer" is dominated by results for summer holidays (a mix of ideas and people wanting me to buy a holiday from them) but also includes the Olympics, Paralympics and fashion trends. While "96th Academy" does have a primary topic (in the Oscars) it's not a plausible search term imo as it lacks any nouns (although if anyone presents data to contradict this I'll be happy to change my mind). We have actual evidence above that people regard "2024 GOP" as a useful search term, and no evidence of harm so WP:WR#KEEP point 5 applies. Thryduulf (talk) 11:07, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    From my geolocation, at least, the incognito Google results for "2024 Summer" are almost entirely about the Olympics. And no, we don't have evidence that people find it a useful search term. We have evidence that people Googled it and that Google took them to pages about this topic. No one here has actually said that this is something that they or anyone they know would ever expect to redirect to the current target. Because it isn't. It's nonsensical. It makes as much sense as targeting October 2022 Conservative Party to October 2022 Conservative Party leadership election. As to evidence of harm? Sure. Yet again, this literally means something else. It's just that it's a fragment of a more common phrase so it doesn't come up as high in search results... much as the primary meaning of "2024 Summer" is the summer of 2024, even if Google thinks it's the Olympics. Here is an RS opinion article using "2024 GOP" to refer to the Republican Party in 2024. Here it was used in the pre-clickthrough headline for this RS article. Here [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10] is usage by various bloggers or commenters. Meanwhile we're still at 0 sources using the term to refer to the Republican primaries, and I have not found any such sources, reliable or otherwise, in my research. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 18:07, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or keep?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 20:03, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per Tamzin. This seems like an inapt redirect, namely because the "2024 GOP" simply is the Republican Party itself, rather than a mere series of presidential primaries. I would prefer a target of History of the Republican Party (United States)#The Biden years: 2021–present over the current target if kept, also per Tamzin. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 01:25, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom, who has shown convincing evidence that "2024 GOP" does not exclusively refer to the presidential primaries. The suggested alternative target does not seem particularly useful to me, but I could weakly accept it as an ATD. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:33, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Seems like a case where it's better to let the reader look at the search results themselves, instead of us trying to guess what they're looking for. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 04:15, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose status quo (current target). Honestly, I'd expect this to point to Republican Party (United States)#Trump era (2016–present). Not sure what the best target may or may not be, but where it currently targets is lacking (perhaps even surprising). Also, wikipedia is not a search engine; it makes sense that such sites would pull information up related to the primaries first given current news cycles (but that doesn't make it the primary topic for our purposes, at least certainly not with an eye to the near and especially distant future). — Godsy (TALKCONT) 22:50, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Utopes (talk / cont) 06:27, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deep state in Russia

No longer mentioned at target, although Deep state § Chechnya is there, so we could retarget there? Or just delete. QueenofHearts 06:03, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:45, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One more try.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 06:23, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak delete, the proposed target could work but it's not a great fit for the search term. Utopes (talk / cont) 07:06, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ai tool

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was Delete. Deleted by Widr 3 minutes after nomination. (non-admin closure) Utopes (talk / cont) 06:29, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I had an edit war with CycloneYoris over this. In short: Bhawaybhalla6 (who seems to only be here for spam, by the way) wrote a spammy/promotional article about AI tools at this title; CycloneYoris nominated it for speedy deletion per CSD G11; I noticed this page and redirected it to Artificial intelligence because it seemed like a plausible search term; CycloneYoris undid my edit, stating unnecessary. Please let an admin delete this. We don't want spam hidden in any page history.; finally, I undid his edit because I still thought that "Ai tool" was a plausible search term anyways. But I don't want to edit war, so to RfD I go instead. Duckmather (talk) 06:13, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

NORF

No mention at target. Does not appear notable. Delete. 162 etc. (talk) 05:40, 9 February 2024 (UTC) 162 etc. (talk) 05:40, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep, "Neste Oil Rally Finland" is listed as an alternative name at the article, with this being the abbreviation. Utopes (talk / cont) 06:32, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Norf

No mention at target. Does not appear notable. Delete. 162 etc. (talk) 05:28, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

T:R from

Not often linked to like T:DYK or T:ITN, doesn't need an XNR. Previously nominated in a batch at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2013 November 18#T:WPTECH and closed as no consensus, every single redirect there has been deleted in later separate noms except this one. QueenofHearts 04:32, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's also T:ONES and T:SINGLE, but I agree to delete this. Utopes (talk / cont) 04:52, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hilda Murray (Q18954256)

Title was moved from another title seemingly created by mistake. Deauthorized. (talk) 02:59, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: one link to Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by nationality/United Kingdom would need to be fixed. I would do it myself but my tab keeps freezing when I try to edit the page. Deauthorized. (talk) 03:03, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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