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:We use {{tl|taxonbar}} to link to various taxon IDs, including wikidata, wikispecies, etc. All of the IDs are stored at Wikidata. We could consider adding commons and gallery to the taxonbar. {{yo|Tom.Reding|Jts1882}} thoughts on this? - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] [[User_talk:UtherSRG|(talk)]] 12:21, 17 April 2024 (UTC) |
:We use {{tl|taxonbar}} to link to various taxon IDs, including wikidata, wikispecies, etc. All of the IDs are stored at Wikidata. We could consider adding commons and gallery to the taxonbar. {{yo|Tom.Reding|Jts1882}} thoughts on this? - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] [[User_talk:UtherSRG|(talk)]] 12:21, 17 April 2024 (UTC) |
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::I was thinking of a more prominent place. {{tl|Taxonbar}}, to me, is something that experienced editors might need, it's not very friendly to our readers. It's also [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dracaena_aethiopica not shown to >2/3 of them] [[User:Ponor|Ponor]] ([[User talk:Ponor|talk]]) 12:41, 17 April 2024 (UTC) |
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This talk page can be used to discuss issues with the automated taxobox system that are common to the entire system, not just one of its templates. Discussions of this nature prior to 2017 can be found at Template talk:Automatic taxobox
Those familiar with the system prior to mid-2016 are advised to read Notes for "old hands".
30 December 2023 use stats update
30 December update
Project | Auto | Manual | Total taxa | Percentage auto | # auto added since 30 June 2023 | # manual subtracted |
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Algae | 2163 | 227 | 2390 | 90.5 | 58 | 51 |
Amphibians and Reptiles | 22524 | 206 | 22730 | 99.1 | 354 | 13 |
Animals | 11167 | 1158 | 12325 | 90.6 | 1083 | 900 |
Arthropods | 10774 | 3067 | 13841 | 77.8 | 866 | 357 |
Beetles | 24731 | 13421 | 38152 | 64.8 | 2390 | 2282 |
Birds | 14358 | 62 | 14420 | 99.6 | 67 | 19 |
Bivalves | 1674 | 32 | 1706 | 98.1 | 14 | 2 |
Cephalopods | 2009 | 566 | 2575 | 78.0 | 10 | 2 |
Dinosaurs | 1643 | 0 | 1643 | 100 | 11 | 1 |
Diptera | 14160 | 2165 | 16325 | 86.7 | 775 | 477 |
Fishes | 24408 | 1671 | 26079 | 93.6 | 410 | 191 |
Fungi | 10655 | 5171 | 15826 | 67.3 | 1012 | 513 |
Gastropods | 27510 | 7224 | 34734 | 79.2 | 3068 | 2526 |
Insects | 57978 | 20719 | 78697 | 73.7 | 5123 | 4599 |
Lepidoptera | 74631 | 23766 | 98397 | 75.8 | 4876 | 4827 |
Mammals | 8301 | 144 | 8445 | 98.3 | 95 | 9 |
Marine life | 8723 | 672 | 9395 | 92.8 | 779 | 648 |
Microbiology | 6971 | 6030 | 13001 | 53.6 | 727 | 663 |
Palaeontology | 14779 | 3474 | 18253 | 81.0 | 689 | 262 |
Plants | 79920 | 611 | 80531 | 99.2 | 1468 | 353 |
Primates | 979 | 0 | 979 | 100 | -1 | 0 |
Protista | 380 | 80 | 460 | 82.6 | 210 | -55 |
Rodents | 3137 | 28 | 3165 | 99.1 | 17 | 1 |
Sharks | 829 | 45 | 874 | 94.9 | 11 | 4 |
Spiders | 10040 | 0 | 10040 | 100 | 342 | 0 |
Tree of Life | 89 | 6 | 95 | 93.7 | 7 | 5 |
Turtles | 759 | 0 | 759 | 100 | 5 | 1 |
Viruses | 1722 | 55 | 1777 | 96.9 | 8 | 1 |
Total | 383888 | 76708 | 460596 | 83.3 | 19320 | 16446 |
Mammal subprojects with articles tagged for both mammals and subproject:
Project | Auto | Manual | Total taxa | Percentage auto |
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Cats | 186 | 0 | 186 | 100 |
Cetaceans | 439 | 0 | 439 | 100 |
Dogs | 241 | 0 | 241 | 100 |
Equine | 109 | 0 | 109 | 100 |
Methods and caveats (copy-pasted from previous update)
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Method: For the most part I use Petscan to search for articles with a talk page banner for a particular Wikiproject and either {{Taxobox}}, or any of {{Automatic taxobox}}+{{Speciesbox}}+({{Infraspeciesbox}} and/or {{Subspeciesbox}} (depending on whether botanical/zoological code is relevant)), and record the results. Example search for algae with automatic taxoboxes (search terms are in the Templates&Links tab in Petscan). For viruses, I search for {{Virusbox}} rather than the other automatic taxobox templates. For plants, I sum the results for the Plants, Banksia, Carnivorous plants and Hypericaceae projects. "Total" is derived from the Template Transclusion Count tool (https://templatecount.toolforge.org/index.php?lang=en&namespace=10&name=Speciesbox#bottom e.g. results for Speciesbox), and is not actually sum of the results for individual projects (some articles have talk page banners for multiple Wikiprojects, and would be counted twice if rows were summed). I started compiling these stats in April 2017, and have been updating roughly every six months since December 2017. I've kept my method consistent; perhaps I should have included all of the automatic taxobox templates (Hybridbox, Ichnobox, etc.), but I didn't do so at the beginning, and the other templates aren't used in very many articles. Caveat: The remaining manual taxoboxes in projects with a high percentage of automatic taxoboxes mostly have some kind of "problem". I have periodically reviewed all the manual taxobox articles in projects with less than 207 manual taxoboxes, and chose not to convert them to automatic taxoboxes at that time (however, it has been awhile since my last review, so there probably a few recently included articles I haven't reviewed). "Problems" may include:
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The template for the Bats taskforce was merged into the template for WikiProject Mammals since my last update. I can't track bats separately anymore, but they had been at 100% automatic taxoboxes for a couple years now. WikiProject Protista is slowly being added to more articles; there has been an increase in the number of tagged protist articles with manual taxoboxes. Primates has one less article than it did last time; perhaps a taxon has been lumped and an article merged.
All projects are now over 50% automatic taxoboxes and the majority are now over 90%.
I have some detailed notes breaking remaining plant manual taxoboxes down by family at User:Plantdrew/Plant automatic taxobox progress. Less detailed notes at User:Plantdrew/Animal automatic taxobox progress that break animals down by phylum, and insects and fishes by order. Plantdrew (talk) 03:10, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
- Have you numbers on the number of new manual taxoboxes added, what percentage of all new taxoboxes they make, and the projects still using them? — Jts1882 | talk 09:18, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Jts1882:, there isn't any easy way to get new manual taxoboxes by WikiProject. A PetScan search for articles with taxoboxes sorted by "not at all"/descending shows recently created articles. Of the most recent 20, 7 are moths, 3 fungi, 3 beetles, 2 arthropods, 2 eukaryote incertae sedis, 1 gastropod, 1 insect (Hymenoptera), and 1 (fossil) bird. Single editors (different ones) were responsible for 6 of the moths, 3 beetles, 2 fungi, 2 arthropods and 2 eukaryotes. 8 of the 20 are species and 12 are higher taxa.
- 82 articles with manual taxoboxes were created between 30 June 2023 and 30 December 2023. Assuming the difference between # auto added and # manual subtracted represents newly created articles (it mostly should), 2874 articles with automatic taxoboxes were created since June 2023. 82+2874=2956. 82 is 2.8% of 2956. Existing articles do occasionally get converted from automatic taxoboxes to manual by editors who want to update the classification without understanding how taxonomy templates work, but that number is negligible.
- I guess the take away is that there are a small number of editors creating articles with manual taxoboxes, and they are mostly working in groups where uptake of automatic taxoboxes is relatively low. Groups with low uptake of automatic taxoboxes are going to be missing many taxonomy templates needed to create speciesboxes, but the articles being created with manual taxoboxes are mostly higher taxa, so having taxonomy templates in place probably isn't going to help very much (of the 8 species in the most recent 20, only 1 was in a genus that has an existing taxonomy template). Plantdrew (talk) 16:25, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- 7214 articles were created with manual taxoboxes since 10 April 2017, which is when I started tracking stats on automatic taxoboxes. That was a little after automatic taxobox use really started to take off (but well before it was the norm; 13.2% of articles had an automatic taxobox at that point). So less than 10% of articles with manual taxoboxes were created after concerted efforts to use automatic taxoboxes began (obviously there are some articles that were created since 2017 with manual taxoboxes that have now been converted). Plantdrew (talk) 16:58, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- I guess a better date to pick would be 30 August 2018, when the RFC about preferring automatic taxoboxes closed. There are 3970 articles created with manual taxoboxes (and which still have them) since 30 August 2018. Plantdrew (talk) 21:16, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
Is there any precedent on taxoboxes for 'hypothetical' taxons? I guess they're all hypothetical at some level. YorkshireExpat (talk) 17:03, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- There is precedent; see e.g. Eocyte hypothesis and Articulata hypothesis (there's relevant discussion going on at Template_talk:Taxonbar#Further_discussion, with the newly created Wikidata item taxon hypothesis (Q124477390) stemming from that). I'm not sure that the precedent needs to be followed if something is really framed as a hypothesis (i.e., we might consider removing those taxoboxes).
- It gets more complicated with Tactopoda and Antennopoda, which are framed as "proposed clades", but which represent mutually exclusive hypotheses regarding the relationship of tardigrades, arthropods and onychophorans.
- Avifilopluma is another weird one. It was the last article tagged for WikiProject Dinosaurs to get an automatic taxobox. It is the clade of feathered animals, with feathers not being precisely defined, and it not being clear exactly which taxa would be included. Plantdrew (talk) 18:06, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, will leave alone for the moment. Thanks. YorkshireExpat (talk) 08:38, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- There are articles for Columbaves, Inopinaves and Aequorlitornithes (all from Prum et al, 2015), as well as Columbea and Passerea (from Jarvis et al 2014). Gruimorphae also has one, as do the more questionable Otidae and Gruae. While I think it is useful to have short articles clearly defining these proposals, perhaps the Neoaves article could be expanded discuss the alternative arrangements, which are currently shown in he cladograms. I think this new proposal certainly should be covered. — Jts1882 | talk 10:37, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Automatic links to species, commons, data
Any interest in adding automatic links to wikispecies, commons categories and galleries, and wikidata at the bottom of our taxboxes to improve integration with our sister projects? Compare hr:Dracaena aethiopica / en:Dracaena aethiopica. Coded in hr:Template:Taksokvir (note the four tracking categories). Ponor (talk) 11:43, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- We use {{taxonbar}} to link to various taxon IDs, including wikidata, wikispecies, etc. All of the IDs are stored at Wikidata. We could consider adding commons and gallery to the taxonbar. @Tom.Reding and Jts1882: thoughts on this? - UtherSRG (talk) 12:21, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- I was thinking of a more prominent place. {{Taxonbar}}, to me, is something that experienced editors might need, it's not very friendly to our readers. It's also not shown to >2/3 of them Ponor (talk) 12:41, 17 April 2024 (UTC)