Wikipedia talk:No queerphobia

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Endorsers

The following editors endorse the contents of this essay:

  1. Raladic (talk) 01:54, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I am more than glad to endorse this essay. My compliments to the author on how well it is composed. Obviously, queerphobia/homophobia should be eradicated from Wikipedia, as every other form of discrimination. — Sundostund mppria (talk / contribs) 22:36, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Loki (talk) 00:28, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Skimel (talk) 17:54, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. I endorse the content of Special:Permalink/1221239371 as a Wikipedia namespace essay. Expression of queerphobic beliefs is a form of identity-based hate that prevents some volunteers and would-be volunteers from contributing. The essay gives examples that would constitute personal attacks. Some examples it lists are fringe among medicine or academic disciplines (such as philosophy). Editing with a view incompatible with Wikipedia's position on science and fringe topics can be a 'competence is required' issue. — Bilorv (talk) 18:49, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Non-Endorsers

  1. Wikipedia appears to be rapidly turning into a place with a very long list of people who are not welcome. Could we not just summarize it by saying anyone failing to subscribe to the current doctrines and orthodoxy of the social political left is persona non grata? FWIW, as long as WP:NOTPUNITIVE remains in force, I will not act against anyone whose beliefs I may disagree with, political or otherwise, unless their actual conduct on the project is disruptive. I for one find the recent trend in these essays deeply lamentable, and contrary to the spirit that I always assumed animated the project. (Still waiting for WP:No Communists.) -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:46, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Habitually oppose any "no <X group that has nothing to do with editing Wikipedia>" essays. Queen of ♡ | speak 07:09, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. While I do disagree with hating people, the line between hate and disagreement is far too blurry here. GrayStorm(Talk|Contributions) 19:55, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. I guess I will say the same thing here I said at the MfD: The idea of having a specific WP:NONAZIS fork for sexuality is already dodgy, and of questionable utility (some people have already mentioned this). So maybe this essay is a great idea -- until you read it. The actual words written here are a political screed about how we need to purge editors who believe in "narratives" the author does not like. I've gone a hundred thousand edits under my real name without being asked about my sexual orientation, but sources close to JPxG say that all LGBT editors are not spoken for here. We should not have an essay asserting confidently that everyone who argued against its author in a MoS debate should be ejected summarily from the project. This is a collaborative encyclopedia, not a political thunderdome -- I am opposed to any outcome that involves any chance of people reading this and thinking that it represents official Wikipedia doctrine. jp×g🗯️ 22:15, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Groups known to target the LGBT community

Libs of TikTok is a person, not a group. --Hob Gadling (talk) 06:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of this section

Regarding my deletion of this section and the restoration by Bilorv, my problem with the list is that it looks like a call to action. If I was slightly more cynical, I might call it a Dog whistle (politics). The previous section urges people to "improve articles", and then this section presents a list of articles. The logical assumption is that readers of the essay are being asked to target those articles, and that's what doesn't seem appropriate here. RoySmith (talk) 15:23, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Renamed to "No queerphobia"

As was suggested in the (briefly prematurely closed and reopened) MFD discussion, a user ([1]) suggested a better title of No queerphobia, which I believe is a better more neutral title, since queerphobia does represent the noun of the hate that the essay is trying to capture and is more in line with the title of Wikipedia:Hate is disruptive. Raladic (talk) 19:03, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I support this move, I was mostly ambivalent on it when naming the essay and chose queerphobes over queerphobia to keep consistency with WP:No Nazis, WP:No racists, and WP:No Confederates but I personally prefer it as No queerphobia. Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 19:07, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've restored the MfD notice so interested editors will be notified, but the article name change causes a redlink because it was nominated under a different title. Schazjmd (talk) 19:14, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I fixed the redlink for the mfd notice, so we should be all good now. Raladic (talk) 19:34, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just something to bear in mind for next time, Raladic: we usually don't move articles while they're at XfD, because it can confuse various templates and scripts and/or can be seen as pre-empting the result of the discussion. – Joe (talk) 06:45, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I didn’t plan to (move it during can active xfd), but some user unilaterally moved it out into user space when the xfd was briefly closed by someone out of procedure and when I asked an admin for help they told me they are involved and didn’t want to help move it back - User talk:Girth Summit#Someone just broke all procedures and moved Wikipedia:No queerphobes. So my move to the new slightly different name happened in between that time where the MfD was briefly closed and before it was reopened again. The MfD was reopened minutes later after someone pointed out that it should not have been closed. Raladic (talk) 06:53, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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