[[Passover]] to be on the front page on the 9th, please take a look at the article to help improve it and see if there are any lose tags. Thanks. [[User:Sir Joseph|Sir Joseph]] <sup>[[User_talk:Sir Joseph|<span style="color: Green;">(talk)</span>]]</sup> 19:42, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
[[Passover]] to be on the front page on the 9th, please take a look at the article to help improve it and see if there are any lose tags. Thanks. [[User:Sir Joseph|Sir Joseph]] <sup>[[User_talk:Sir Joseph|<span style="color: Green;">(talk)</span>]]</sup> 19:42, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
== Jewish Virtual Library ==
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Semitic neopaganism
I need help on the Semitic neopaganism page. It is being repeatedly vandalized, over a years long period, by someone who has a grudge against one of the listed groups. This page is about modern day groups that have neo-pagan beliefs, and are open about it (for instance, openly discussing their beliefs and the gods they pray to by printing prayerbooks, siddurs, discussing them on websites and in interviews.) But one Wikipedia editor is censoring this position, apparently trying to present one modern day neopagan group (Kohenet) as if perhaps they were Orthodox Jews. They aren't. Members of Kohenet offer prayers to Anat, Asherah, Lilith, and other deities. I do understand the the person opposing me wishes that Kohenet were Orthodox Jews, but they simply aren't. Wikipedia needs to be a place for groups are described accurately. We can't falsely write about Protestant Christians as if they are really Catholic; we can't write about neo-pagan Wiccans as if they are Muslims, etc. We merely need to be accurate. Thank you for your time. RK (talk)
Letters in transliteration
Do we have a policy for how to transliterate Hebrew/Aramaic letters? For example, sources such as the Jewish Encyclopedia will transliterate ח,ט,צ,ש using the diacritical letters ḥ,ṭ,ṣ,š. But for various reasons this seems to be less popular in recent works, with ASCII equivalents such as ch,t,tz,sh very often used instead. Should we be using the diacritical forms or the ASCII forms? (Tagging Davidbena, who I debated on this subject on my talk page a few months ago) Ar2332 (talk) 20:47, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Davidbena likes to use uncommon spelling (e.g. ḥ), but that is really not common, and against the WP:HEBREW guideline. Debresser (talk) 00:51, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
OK, thank you. Ar2332 (talk) 09:14, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In most cases. Articles about Sephardi or Yemenite subjects may be an exception according to WP:HEBREW, although even in those articles it is not the first option and not common. Debresser (talk) 02:34, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
What is the correct spelling of the name Honi ha-M'agel? It looks wrong as is, and WP:HEBREW does not provide a conclusive answer, as far as I can tell. Ar2332 (talk) 18:18, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hm, seems you are right, I missed it. Ar2332 (talk) 18:49, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Where should we move Halizah to? Options listed by number of Google search hits: chalitza (11500), chalitzah (7860), halitza (6880), halitzah (7220). Ar2332 (talk) 21:07, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
My understanding of the above naming conventions (Consonant table) is that there is no pressing need to move Halitza (i.e. its title). The letters there are written in the lower case, in the event that the transliterated form appears in the middle of a word. As a capital letter, H is equivalent to h. Of course, in modern-day transcriptions, the word חליצה is often transliterated as Chalitza. Ar2332, I wish to call your attention to this exchange in communication between Debresser and I, which you can see here, and where we hashed-out some of the problems we find with translterated Hebrew words.Davidbena (talk) 21:45, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I too see no need to move Halizah based on WP:HBREW. Another question is WP:COMMON. Based on the Jewish Encyclopedia, I think the article is on the right spot. Debresser (talk) 22:08, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I am convinced that a move is needed because the Z should be a TZ (following WP:HEBREW). Z for צ is *not* common in recent texts, it is confusing and would probably be considered an error. Even in the Jewish Encyclopedia (over 100 years old), it was printed with a diacritic. However, regarding the beginning and of Halizah, I will leave those letters as is, in accordance with your comments. Ar2332 (talk) 06:49, 27 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
He, Ar2332. You can't just ignore the fact that two other editors disagree with you and make your move (pun intended). Please remember you are on a community-based editing site, and there is a policy called WP:CONSENSUS here.
I did a quick Google search. Halizah - 643k results, Halitzah 12k results. Please notice that WP:HEBREW defers to WP:COMMON. Debresser (talk) 07:04, 27 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I read your comments as comments on the beginning/end of the word, not on the Z/TZ question, as I saw WP:HEBREW's advice as pretty clear and assumed you did too. And it's not 643k, it's 162k if you include double quotes (as I did for my numbers), and some of those are unrelated (e.g. non-Jewish people and a tourist site named Halizah), or not necessary relevant to our question (written with diacritics). The "tz" spellings have a total of about 34k hits so the discrepancy is not so big. Ar2332 (talk) 07:18, 27 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That is stil 1 to almost 5. Debresser (talk) 08:32, 27 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Cave of the Patriarchs
I have looked high and low, but cannot find a single source from before 1967 making the claim that the Cave of the Patriarchs is the "second holiest site in Judaism". Perhaps I am searching incorrectly, or perhaps this is more a political than a religious statement. Any help on this would be appreciated. Onceinawhile (talk) 17:18, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Moreover, I am not sure it is true. We have four holy cities, of which the holiness of Jerusalem surpasses the other. We do not have any second or third holy sites. All synagogues and gravesides have holiness in Judaism, but without any order of precedence. Debresser (talk) 17:51, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Four Holy Cities has a 1906 source which does not rank them but the article anyway contains the "second holiest" statement (unsourced).Selfstudier (talk) 18:10, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I guess you also have to ask the question as to the difference between "city" (here Hebron) and "site" (a tomb).Selfstudier (talk) 18:51, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
What is the diff for the actual removal? El_C 16:51, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
El C, here, and it looks like my timing was off, the Shushan Purim wasn't on the main page, Purim itself was removed from the main page late in the day. [1] If you look at the page itself, it is not woefully lacking in references, I checked the page and there are one or two paragraphs that might need references, but they are linked to a main page. Also, I did ask on the Errors page what was wrong with the page, and Amakuru did not respond, and another admin, Killiondude asked as well. Sir Joseph(talk) 17:19, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Sir Joseph: the best course of action, I think, would be to appeal to the editor behind the removal for an explanation. I've gone a head and done it. El_C 17:29, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Passover to be on the front page on the 9th, please take a look at the article to help improve it and see if there are any lose tags. Thanks. Sir Joseph(talk) 19:42, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
