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NBA team histories

16 teams have team history articles (Template:NBA team histories). Is there a good reason why the other 14 teams do not have team history articles? Namely, Raptors, Bulls, Bucks, Hawks, Pistons, Magic, Wizards, Nuggets, Timberwolves, Jazz, Clippers, Suns, Kings, Spurs - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 02:46, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because no one has been passionate enough to create them haha? Rikster2 (talk) 14:58, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And that passion often just leads to a bunch of WP:OR, cherry-picked fan memories, or mass duplication of what's in (or should already be in) individual team season articles, instead of basing the history on reliable sources that curate the franchise's highlights. —Bagumba (talk) 15:13, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is definitely enough rich history to carry articles for these teams, especially franchises like the Pistons, Hawks and Spurs. But these articles take a very long time to create well. And the person needs to be willing to do real research. Much faster to produce player/coach articles or lists. Rikster2 (talk) 15:42, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is a Franchise History Column on the page of all those teams.

NBA mascots

Half of the NBA mascots in the NBA do not have separate articles or sections (or even mentions) on their respective franchise pages. Template:NBA mascots. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 03:19, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody is stopping you from creating them.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 05:33, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of National Basketball Association arenas

What do other editors think about adding interior images to List of National Basketball Association arenas? It was added and then I reverted it, but another editor restored it so to avoid any edit wars I want to see opinions here. – sbaio 11:22, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I said in my edit summary restoring them, I think they make a good addition. One cannot see both the exterior and interior in one picture, and in many ways the interior is more important because it shows the building actually hosting the sport. Take a look at the corresponding NFL, MLB, and MLS articles, all the pics show the field of play.
as a side note, someone boldly adding something is not by itself a god enough reason to revert. Otherwise the guideline on being bold has zero meaning. oknazevad (talk) 14:50, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
List of current NFL stadiums, List of current MLB stadiums and List of MLS stadiums are different than what the IP is trying to do for NBA and NHL pages. NFL, MLB and MLS pages have interior images only, while for NBA and NHL it is proposed to use both the exterior and interior images. If it was simply changed to show interior instead of exterior then there would be no objections, but current attempt should be discussed. In addition, most interior images are too old and some venues do not even have NBA interior images. Examples:
...someone boldly adding something is not by itself a god enough reason to revert. – making such a big and possibly controversial update is a very good reason to revert. I would create a discussion to see what other editors think if I wanted to add something like this. – sbaio 18:26, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sbaio, so you disagree with the particular interior images selected? Or you disagree with the idea of adding interior images altogether? - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 18:58, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If it was simply changed to show interior instead of exterior then there would be no objections, but current attempt should be discussed. – I think it is very clear that I oppose usage of both. It is either exterior (as it is now) or interior (oppose it), but certainly not both. – sbaio 17:50, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's kinda my point. With the NFL, MLB, and MLS lists, a single image can both show the field of play and the architecturally distinct elements simultaneously, while NBA/NHL arenas can't, so need two pictures to show both. oknazevad (talk) 14:47, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sbaio, @Oknazevad @80.57.47.217

  • Strongly opposed When I redesigned the pages 10+ years ago [1],[2] (yes, that is my IP address before I created an account) it was with the intention of having exterior images only since interior images all look the same and one cannot tell if you're in New York, Kalamazoo or East Bum-F*** China. The exterior images show architectural style and ambient surroundings. It is also why the page List of indoor arenas in the United States only has exterior images in addition to my placing a note in there to post only exterior images. If you want to post interior images, go to each of the individual pages and create a gallery. As for the MLB, NFL and MLS stadiums, they may be interior images but they also show the exterior surroundings with the exception of domes/retractable roofs.

Roberto221 (talk) 09:50, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree that they all look the same. If you can't see the obvious differences between interiors, that's on you. oknazevad (talk) 14:43, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, as a general comment, you can't ping an IP address. Someone is going to have to drop a note at the IP's talk page to tell them about this discussion. oknazevad (talk) 14:47, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd agree on showing the exterior on the list article, as this is where arenas diverge from each other; arenas with a basketball court fully set-up looks the same inside. It's like a showing a list of photos of football stadiums where you'd realize "all of them have a grassy meadow at the middle"; it's the same with basketball courts, "all of them have wooden floors in the middle", but it's kinda more variable vs. football stadium as courts are colored differently, but still it's showing primarily the same thing. I'd oppose having 2 columns of photos, and since there should only be one, I'd keep the exterior. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:10, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And yet List of current National Football League stadiums literally just shows interior images of all the stadiums with just a big green field in the middle. oknazevad (talk) 13:45, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The same with list of Premier League stadiums; these are boring. WP:OSE, but I'd prefer exterior shots. Howard the Duck (talk) 14:12, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd also imagine interiors of arenas change more frequently than exteriors. For example, the color scheme may change (due to a change in sponsorship), or even the court markings itself and logos may change. Photos in lists like this should strive to be the most current, and exterior shots fulfill this purpose as these do not change that frequently. Howard the Duck (talk) 16:36, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
True that signage and court designs change frequently. Heck, many NBA teams have multiple courts these days, using which ever one coordinates with the uniform they're wearing for that particular game. My interest in seeing the interior photos is to see the differences in how the arena bowl/tiers are laid out and constructed. There's more variation than one might initially think, especially if comparing an arena that also hosts hockey vs one that's basketball-centric. oknazevad (talk) 22:25, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Choosing a specific interior photo would then not be representative of what an arena looks like on any given day, unlike an exterior shot that rarely changes. If your argument is an interior photo is there to represent how an arena looks like from the inside, then only one won't cut it. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:48, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - see List of basketball arenas. Almost all of them are "interior" photos. I do not have an opinion on this. But pointing this out. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 23:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The photo for the very deliciously named KFC Yum! Center is now a teenager. Based on more recent photos, the logo at center court is no longer the one found on the photo. I don't think we want outdated photos. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Colors in team season lists

Given that my changes to List of Seattle SuperSonics seasons are apparently controversial, I guess I should ask for a wider opinion here. Should the colors for team season lists be complementary, have good contrast, and make some logical sense? I switched them to match recent FLs in other team sports; these changes are presented below along with the former version that was reverted back by Sbaio:

Old color Description New color
† NBA champions †
* Conference champions *
^ Division champions ^
¤ Playoff berth ¤

My reasoning is that red is typically used in several other sports list formats to denote a demotion, either relegation in soccer or some other dishonor, rather than a championship. A light gold would make more sense, as it is almost universally used to denote a championship. The original color for a playoff berth is too close to both the conference and division championship colors in my opinion, and I chose orange as a placeholder. SounderBruce 06:11, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like the NBA champion less light and a more bold gold. And the playoff color is a bit too similar to the NBA champion. Maybe purplish (follows rainbow order)? And that's a weird symbol for playoffs. Try a more typical one at Note (typography) § Numbering and symbols (§ ??) And it doesn't matter for Seattle (yet) but do we bother with play-in e.g. List of Chicago Bulls seasons?—Bagumba (talk) 07:12, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps the bolder colors from List of MLS Cup finals would be better? As for the playoff berth symbol, that was a holdover from the baseball and football lists; another candidate would be an uppercase delta (Δ), since it can represent uncertainty (which is built into a playoff). SounderBruce 07:26, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be fine with the MLS Cup finals colors. The delta symbol works well. I used it for both of my recent Blazers FLs. -- ZooBlazer 07:31, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is nothing wrong having  this color for NBA champions  since NBA does not have relegation and it is not supposed to be like MLS or other leagues. In addition  this color  passes everything at WebAIM:Contrast Checker, WhoCanUse and Colour Contrast Check - snook.ca ( playoff berth color  also passes everything). Therefore, I view this proposed change as personal preference and WP:OSE, because "other pages have something else". – sbaio 16:26, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anything that gets away from using the terribly inappropriate red, a color widely associated with bad results, for the champion is an improvement. oknazevad (talk) 08:22, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Kobe Bryant and LeBron James series

I might create the Michael Jordan series equivalent for Kobe and LBJ. Any reason why it would be deleted? - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 06:54, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The main reason, even the Jordan one, they could be deleted is that they don't really refer to each other. The commonality is just the player, not that the subtopics are intertwined. Like a relative, a movie, a statue, and a restuarant have little to do with each other. Per the WP:SIDEBAR guideline:

Navigation templates located in the top-right corner of articles (sometimes called a "sidebar" or "part of a series" template) should be treated with special attention, because they are so prominently displayed to readers. The collection of articles in a sidebar template should be fairly tightly related, and the template should meet most or all of the preceding guidelines. If the articles are not tightly related, a footer template or navbox, located at the bottom of the article, may be more appropriate.

This is more appropriate for very large topics like World War II. —Bagumba (talk) 07:30, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Carmelo Anthony

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Carmelo Anthony, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. —Bagumba (talk) 03:07, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PRODs of interest

Looking at CAT:PROD, there appear to be a few articles proposed for deletion on basketball teams that may be of interest:

Can anyone determine if these are notable? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:33, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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