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John Gore (theater producer)
You deleted the article John Gore (theater producer) along with associated materials. Most of the material was provided by the original authors, including the photographs. You may be unfamiliar with the live theater, I would not be aurprised as there are few people who folow the business aspects of that industry. In acquiring Live Nation's legitimate theater assets and divisions, Gore has become the most important proucer on Broadway and the most important force in the creation and touring of first class Broadway musicals. His company, Key Brand, now controls touring rights to "Wicked," "The Producers," "The Lion King" and many others. Previous attempts to post an article on Gore, before the acquisition was announced, were similarly deleted, in my mind without rationale. It was unfortunate as the article was intended to serve as a background resource for journalists who would be reporting on the deal when it was announced a few weeks later. As it was, an invaluable source was innapropriately deleted. The photos and images contained in the article are all in the public domain, having been issued originally for public domain useage or having been uploaded by the creators, including in one case by Gore himself. While the live theater may be of little interest to you, and therefore you see its behind the scenes players as unimportant, I would suggest otherwise. Key Brand is now partners with performing arts institutions in some 42 cities whose boards and whose city managers have a keen interest in knowing more about the people with whom they are now partners. What you have here is a biography of a young man on the rise. I would ask you to restore the article.Benfeing —Preceding comment was added at 02:05, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
- If you can give sources other than the main website of the company to show that the man is notable and that the photographs of the man are available under a free image copyright (that the photographer has given up all copyright), then the article and image can stay. As the article appears, it did not satisfy WP:BIO and was deletable under WP:CSD#A7.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 02:13, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
- The sources cited were the New York Times and Stage magazine (UK). I have visited Gore's website and ther is no overlap other than a mention of his early career which is appropriate in a biography. None of the images in the article come from Gore's website. The photo of Gore was posted to Wikipedia by Key Brand itself and released to the public domain as part of the announcement. This transaction by itself makes Gore the most powerful voice in Broadway Theater and merits this article just as the appointment of the CEO of GE would in another industry. No disrespect intended, but I don't get the impression you know much about the business of live theater. perhaps it would be prudent to defer to The New York Times and Variety on this topic. Benfeing
- I read the article. I also read where it was posted at John Gore (theatre producer). It is clear that they are all essentially the same text, which borrows from Gore's website. We cannot host other people's work unless they themselves put it here.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 08:19, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
- Once again, and with respect, the above comment is simply, empirically not true. The article you deleted was written and posted after the Live Nation announcement and consisted almost exclusvely of material related to that announcement drawn from published reports and using the pblicly available photo of Gore none of which was in his website when I reviewed it today. Other material, also not from Gore's site, was then added, related to his early producing career and drawn from other outside sources although historical information is historical information. I think you are confused about what it was you deleted and may be referring to some other, perhaps earlier version of the John Gore page. Are you using some kind of autobot to do this work? Benfeing —Preceding comment was added at 08:54, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
- I deleted an article about a theater producer that I believed did not assert the notability of its subject and could be deleted. This article had also been deleted on prior occasions because it resembled his website. I know the man exists, but the article did not say why Wikipedia should host a biography on him.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 09:04, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
- Once again, and with respect, the above comment is simply, empirically not true. The article you deleted was written and posted after the Live Nation announcement and consisted almost exclusvely of material related to that announcement drawn from published reports and using the pblicly available photo of Gore none of which was in his website when I reviewed it today. Other material, also not from Gore's site, was then added, related to his early producing career and drawn from other outside sources although historical information is historical information. I think you are confused about what it was you deleted and may be referring to some other, perhaps earlier version of the John Gore page. Are you using some kind of autobot to do this work? Benfeing —Preceding comment was added at 08:54, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
- I read the article. I also read where it was posted at John Gore (theatre producer). It is clear that they are all essentially the same text, which borrows from Gore's website. We cannot host other people's work unless they themselves put it here.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 08:19, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
- The sources cited were the New York Times and Stage magazine (UK). I have visited Gore's website and ther is no overlap other than a mention of his early career which is appropriate in a biography. None of the images in the article come from Gore's website. The photo of Gore was posted to Wikipedia by Key Brand itself and released to the public domain as part of the announcement. This transaction by itself makes Gore the most powerful voice in Broadway Theater and merits this article just as the appointment of the CEO of GE would in another industry. No disrespect intended, but I don't get the impression you know much about the business of live theater. perhaps it would be prudent to defer to The New York Times and Variety on this topic. Benfeing
- Hello. I notice that you're wanting Ryulong to undelete the page, while he does not wish to. Instead of arguing the point here (which will only make things difficult between you two and serves no constructive purpose) might I suggest you take your request to Deletion Review where they may overturn the decision, if appropriate? This way, you can get more community input on the deletion and come to a mutually acceptable outcome. Thanks! ~Kylu (u|t) 09:13, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
- Also, will this help? [1] --Kim Bruning (talk) 09:15, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you for your assistance. I fear the most recent remarks reflect a lack of knowlkedge of the idustry in discussion. To someone in the theater industry the role and importance are obvious. To someone with little knowledge or acquaitance the question would be, "Why do I care?" In the same way I could care little for, nor understand the importance to anyone of, the order of battle of the Asgard on Stargate SG-1 or which modern London street corner would be the location of the famous "pump handle" discovered by John Snow. (Although before sparking any blogs, I actually get both of those.) Benfeing —Preceding comment was added at 15:37, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
- I would like to add that Gore's predecessor as CEO of this company, David Ian, has a Wikipedia article at David Ian. Ian was an employee of the company until this takeover at which point he was terminated by Live Nation. His production credits are principally derivative of his role as the CEO. He was NOT a shareholder. Gore is the OWNER of the company as well as the CEO. I will refer this to a review, though I'm not certain I know how to correctly. See also VarietyBenfeing —Preceding comment was added at 16:20, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you for your assistance. I fear the most recent remarks reflect a lack of knowlkedge of the idustry in discussion. To someone in the theater industry the role and importance are obvious. To someone with little knowledge or acquaitance the question would be, "Why do I care?" In the same way I could care little for, nor understand the importance to anyone of, the order of battle of the Asgard on Stargate SG-1 or which modern London street corner would be the location of the famous "pump handle" discovered by John Snow. (Although before sparking any blogs, I actually get both of those.) Benfeing —Preceding comment was added at 15:37, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
VR Troopers
There is a request for unprotection of this article at RFPP, but I saw you had requested contact with you before unprotecting. Hence, I leave this note. :) Jmlk17 02:09, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 02:11, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
- Ruylong, fri, this article is now being discussed at Deletion Review. [2] DGG (talk) 18:40, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Suicide note
Sorry, references this: [3] --BETA 07:30, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
- <post removed> as over-posting of my reaction. Sorry. ←Gee♥Alice 12:14, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Suicide Note (Closed) on AN/I
I have serious concerns about the text left by Beta, commenting on the suicide note. The discussion seems both flip and unprofessional, especially as no professional would comment in the abstract about such a note, absent any knowledge about the person. The "throwaway line" about the use of contractions as evidence of lying is just nonsense which leads me to give very little credence to the "facts" that precede it. Personally, I think all this text should be deleted as being potentially dangerous, but, as a "closed" matter, I bow to your greater experience and ability. I have asked Beta for an explaination on his/her user page. If I read something there that leads me to believe my assessment is wrong, I will contact you again. ៛ Bielle (talk) 18:08, 3 February 2008 (UTC)