Talk:Ériu

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2007 edit[edit]

Is there any use in making reference to Theo Vennemann's ideas about a Semitic influence on the Celtic languages that would have Éire related to the Akkadian for copper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_%28semitic%29_languages)? It's controversial, but might be of interest. Fugazilazarus 08:58, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Merge Eri (goddess) into this article[edit]

This new article seems to be about the same goddess. Its source text by Lady Gregory speaks of "Eri, daughter of Delbaith", and the article's author also writes that Ernmas was her mother. However, both the articles on Delbáeth and Ernmas mention Ériu as their daughter, so I guess this is simply a matter of spelling. A single u can easily get lost in tradition and after all, Lady Gregory's text is a work of drama, not a scientific account of theology and archaelogy as we would need for an encyclopedic article about a goddess.

On my user talk page, the author Piarsaigh states: "No; I was indeed not talking about Ériu. Eri is a completely different mythological figure. A huge mistake was made, saying that Ériu was the mother of Bres, when in fact it's Eri is the mother of Bres. Ériu gave her name to Ireland. I had to correct it!" Which is why he removed the reference to Bres et al. from this article about Ériu. De728631 (talk) 23:39, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

I think it's a case of, which happens alot in Irish mythology, of the same names, but different people; this is, as you can imagine, very confusing. Sometimes wives marry different men of the same name as their last husband, so confusing two people can occur. Both Elatha and Eri are children of Delbaeth (not brother and sister). I still think Eri and Ériu, while having the same name, are in fast different. Ériu's husband is Mac Gréine; it does not mention Eri having a husband. The text's make it very clear that Mac Gréne is the husband of Ériu. This is very symbolic, the goddess of Ériu married with the son of the sun. Eri has a love child with a race that is always in contention with the Tuatha Dé, the Fomoir. Not the behavior of the Ériu goddess. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Piarsaigh (talkcontribs) 00:50, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure of that. In the myth where she marries Mac Gréne, it's after they kill Lugh when the three brothers seem to have married the sisters. (Not that there's that much continuity in Irish Mythology.) On the matter of it being out of character for Ériu, it's kind of hard to tell with the paragraph of information she gets before she's killed. The only things that I remember really being applied to her (in the various translations I've read,) was that she was proud, the wife of Mac Gréne, capable of fighting, the namesake of Ireland, and dead. There's really not much you can get from that insofar as personality's concerned. It doesn't help that most translations I've seen also give Bres' mother's name as Ériu. It would also make sense, following the "Goddess of Sovereignty" train of thought, that she would make her son king.

Could it be possible for the two trains of thought to be reconciled in some way? "It's been suggested that Ériu is the same as Eri, the mother of Bres... (insert story here). There's some controversy, however, because... (insert your argument here)." That way, both sides can be fairly represented.RPhilbrook (talk)

I have just found something enlightening: The Encyclopedia of Celtic Mythology and Folklore mentions that Ériu has been described as the mother of "the half-Fornorian king Bres", who is also mentioned in our article Eri (goddess). It looks in fact like Eri is just another spelling. Therefore I'm now going to perform a merger. De728631 (talk) 13:52, 23 January 2013 (UTC)