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A fact from 1500 Broadway appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 7 September 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that an office building on New York City's Times Square was almost entirely vacant upon its completion?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/September. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/1500 Broadway.

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Gordon Ramsay Fish & Chips

Recently, an IP editor added text to this article, as follows:

A location is planned in Fall 2022 for Gordon Ramsay Fish & Chips^[1] at Suite 105; they have already begun hiring staff^[2].

I then added the following text, which was reverted:

In late 2022, a Gordon Ramsay Fish & Chips restaurant is planned to open within 1500 Broadway.^[3]^[4]

References

^ Davenport, Emily (6 May 2022). "New Gordon Ramsay Fish & Chips location coming to Times Square". AM NY: The Villager. Retrieved 7 June 2022.
^ "Hiring: Sous Chef, Gordon Ramsay Fish & Chips - NY". Retrieved 22 June 2022.
^ Davenport, Emily (May 6, 2022). "New Gordon Ramsay Fish & Chips location coming to Times Square". amNewYork. Retrieved June 22, 2022.
^ Adams, Erika (May 9, 2022). "Celebrity Chef Gordon Ramsay Is Opening a Fish-and-Chips Chain in Times Square". Eater NY. Retrieved June 22, 2022.

Here are the issues I had with the previous text:

First, MOS:SEASON discourages the use of seasons to refer to a particular time period: for example, Avoid the use of seasons to refer to a particular time of year (winter 1995) as such uses are ambiguous. This is why I had changed "Fall 2022" to "late 2022". These terms are pretty much interchangeable in the Northern Hemisphere, hence why I had changed it. However, the source doesn't even mention the fall, merely "later this year". So I'm not sure how my edit was "incorrect" as claimed in this edit summary.
Second, the fact that the restaurant has started hiring staff isn't really that relevant in the long term, even with further context such as "The restaurant started hiring staff in June 2022". Mentioning such details goes against our "Wikipedia is not a newspaper" policy. Furthermore, the phrasing "A location is planned in Fall 2022" is unclear; the fact that the location is opening in the fall is much more clear.

There were more minor details as well. My edit contains an additional reference from Eater, which was removed for some reason. Also, per WP:REFPUNCT, the period must come after the reference, not beforehand. Epicgenius (talk) 21:14, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

> My edit contains an additional reference from Eater, which was removed for some reason.

It's just that the Eater reference is redundant. That article begins with the following: "The brash, expletive-dropping celebrity chef Gordon Ramsay is opening a restaurant in Times Square. AMNewYork reports..."; and the word "reports" in that article is a link to their information source. That source is the same AM NY: The Villager article, which I had ALREADY linked a reference to in the WikiPedia article, when I first added the Gordon Ramsay Fish & Chips information to the article. I'll concede all of your other points, as I'm new to editing articles on WikiPedia (that's why I haven't created an account yet), and will bow to your experience and knowledge. However, a footnoted reference which merely gets its information from a previously footnoted root source reference (and which offers no additional information) has no need to be included. It's superfluous. 2600:1700:A000:5FC0:D560:85E1:A912:C534 (talk) 16:14, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds fine to me. I have no objection to removing the additional reference; like you said, it's entirely redundant and provides no new information. – Epicgenius (talk) 20:44, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 16:47, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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1500 Broadway on Times Square

... that an office building on New York City's Times Square was almost entirely empty upon its completion? Source: "News of the Realty Trade". The New York Times. March 17, 1974.
- ALT1: ... that when 1500 Broadway on New York City's Times Square was completed, it was almost entirely empty except for its retail space and theater? Source: "News of the Realty Trade". The New York Times. March 17, 1974.
- ALT2: ... that an office building on New York City's Times Square had no advertisements until the late 1990s? Source: Levin, Jay (October 19, 1998). "Signs of prosperity in Times Square". Crain's New York Business. Vol. 14, no. 42. p. 52.
- ALT3: ... that 1500 Broadway on New York City's Times Square was sold in 1995 in part because the new owner wanted to add advertisements? Source: Levin, Jay (October 19, 1998). "Signs of prosperity in Times Square". Crain's New York Business. Vol. 14, no. 42. p. 52.
- ALT4: ... that a Disney executive said that 1500 Broadway on New York City's Times Square symbolized a "looking glass" and the idea of "media as architecture"? Source: Carter, Bill (September 18, 1999). "Part ABC Studio, Part Disney Billboard". The New York Times.
- Reviewed: Catch of the Day

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 668 past nominations.

Epicgenius (talk) 15:01, 22 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

QPQ done, Earwig's is clear, article looks good. Looking at ALT0, the hook is interesting, the hook is verified by the source, and the hook is in the article. Looks good. Image is freely licensed. ―Panamitsu (talk) 07:14, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Davenport, Emily (6 May 2022). "New Gordon Ramsay Fish & Chips location coming to Times Square". AM NY: The Villager. Retrieved 7 June 2022.

[2] "Hiring: Sous Chef, Gordon Ramsay Fish & Chips - NY". Retrieved 22 June 2022.

[Davenport_2022-3] Davenport, Emily (May 6, 2022). "New Gordon Ramsay Fish & Chips location coming to Times Square". amNewYork. Retrieved June 22, 2022.

[Adams_2022-4] Adams, Erika (May 9, 2022). "Celebrity Chef Gordon Ramsay Is Opening a Fish-and-Chips Chain in Times Square". Eater NY. Retrieved June 22, 2022.

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