Talk:2011 Norway attacks/Archive 5

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Attack on society, but not targeting the civilian population

Attacks "against the government, the civilian population, and a Workers' Youth League (AUF)-run summer camp"?
The van bomb was parked less than two yards from a wall of The Cabinet Building (Regjeringsbygget). The location is around fifteen metres from the closest sidewalk. The target there was the government, and passerbys were victims of collateral damage.
The summer camp of the Workers' Youth League was the other target. The vast majority of these victims were members of that politcal organisation and they were civilians. One victim was an off-duty police officer, that had an extra job, taking care of security at the summer camp on the small island.

In neither location, the civilian population of itself was the target. Why does the article say that the civilian population was attacked? 89.8.199.128 (talk) 09:45, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Because, clearly, the civilian population was attacked. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 11:27, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
The following is not in itself an attack on the civilian population: Departing from a city street, Grubbegata, driving onto government property (wikipedia says that he drove into a government parking lot and parked in front of the entrance of regjeringsbygget/høyblokken/the tower block with the PM's Office). Setting off a bomb two metres from that building, which is fifteen metres from the sidewalk of the city street - how is that an attack on the civilian population?
Arriving at the boat to ferry him to Utøya (an island), he lies to the sentries - members of the Workers' Youth League that are wearing badges of some sort identifying that they are officials/functionaries of that organisation's summer camp - to gain access. He is ferried to the island, where the killing starts four minutes after arriving. That's an attack of the secluded summer camp of a political organisation. Arguably it is an attack on the politcal organisation itself. Arguably it was not an attack on the "the civilian population", and arguably Breivik was not attacking himself (even though Breivik is a member of the civilian population).
Was the attack on Utøya, an attack on a political group or was it an attack on "the civilian population" itself? 46.15.246.73 (talk) 13:37, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
Civil and public servants are civilians. So are the contractors (cleaners, security guards, I.T. guys), street cleaners, vendors, and other assorted passers-by. Children attending a youth camp are civilians. Goodye, troll. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 13:43, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
One civilian attacking the government (by setting off a bomb two metres from "The Cabinet Building/The Government Building" housing the PMs office) and a political party (by killing members of the party and sympathisers)?
One civilian targeting segments of the civilian population?
Or one civilian indescriminately targeting fellow members of "the civilian population"?
If your arguments are lacking, then I think it is ok that you call me names. Could you please consider referring to me as a blasphemer or a counterrevolutionary instead of other names? 46.15.246.73 (talk) 14:12, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

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Citation needed

"a total of 53[citation needed] identical sculpture memorials erected for the deceased victims". 89.8.3.161 (talk) 22:27, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

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