Talk:2020 coronavirus pandemic in Canada

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Total cases chart: please add a column for the numerical history of total deaths[edit]

As has been done e.g. for the cases charts for Italy and UK:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic_data/Italy_medical_cases_chart&oldid=946194252

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic_data/United_Kingdom_medical_cases_chart&oldid=946201520

CountMacula (talk) 20:45, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes, this is important information and should be added. Shawnc (talk) 08:13, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Two sections now complete for add-on, plus final post[edit]

This will be my last post here, until WP policy ceases to be violated by this decision. Sorry for the delay. As it happens, I am in the midst of some firsthand experience with current flight changes and border controls. (Among other things, I can personally confirm the halving of WestJet's domestic flights.)

I post here primarily to give you the two sections I had been working on previously, updated to the current date. (Looking at the preview, it seems to be interpreting my formatting for the raw sections, so I will add another section division for the remainder of this post, after the sections.) I suggest you insert "Epidemiology" as a major section either immediately before or immediately after "Timeline" -- ie. either first or second in the article below the ToC. This section also duplicates and summarizes several details from the "Cases by province" section, which can now be deleted. I suggest inserting "Transportation impact" just above "Economic impact". I have also transferred the first paragraph of "Business practices" to "Transportation impact".

In passing, a few quick suggestions.

  • "Layoffs" really should be expanded by someone. (Air Canada - https://globalnews.ca/news/6706293/coronavirus-air-canada-layoffs-union/ ) Add store closures, with notes about which stores are still paying their employees (and especially for how long -- keep track of this, they won't be able to do it for the full closure period.)
  • In "Business practices", many grocery stores have stopped issuing rain checks, based on their inability to keep core items on the shelves. Hours have also changed: usually shortened, with one dedicated seniors' shopping hour at the beginning (to minimize chances of contagion). Mall food courts are roping off seating areas and restricting business to takeout only. The numbers of shops which have closed is staggering.
  • One upcoming change in "Transportation restrictions" involves physical barriers on city bus to keep passengers away from the driver -- keep an eye on this one. (Halifax has already done it -- this is in the article, separate paragraph because I expect additions.) The reasoning here is that if one driver gets infected, everyone who comes into contact with them will also be at risk for transmission ... including all the other drivers. (In some cases, fares may be dropped altogether during this period, since keeping passengers away from the driver also blocks fareboxes.)
  • For Timeline revision, this reference gives a nice example of relative importance of different events. That is one where you will have to be absolutely ruthless in cutting down. https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/tracking-the-coronavirus-from-wuhan-china-to-canadas-capital-a-covid-19-timeline

Full text of "Epidemiology" follows below.

[Post made by Tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk); date uncertain] Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 13:26, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Epidemiology[edit]

With its relatively high rates of immigration [1], personal travel, [2] and international tourism, [2][3] Canada is a bellwether country for reflecting global infection patterns. Hidden COVID-19 spread in other countries has come to light as a result of cases in Canada with travel history to that country. [4][5][6]

All of Canada's cases for the first month of reported cases were directly related to international travel. [7] Community spread did not begin until March 5. [8] By March 6, most of Canada's new cases were linked to the U.S.[9]

Transmission[edit]

The first COVID-19 case in Canada was reported by health authorities in Toronto on January 25, [7] approximately one month after the first Wuhan cases were reported by health authorities. [10] A patient with a travel history to Wuhan reported to Sunnybrook Health Sciences Centre with a fever and respiratory symptoms. She had taken appropriate precautions during her travel and was immediately taken into isolation. [7] The virus was identified as SARS-CoV-2, the same virus as had caused the outbreak in Wuhan. [7][11] Canadian scientists from Sunnybrook isolated the virus by March 12. [12][13]

The first COVID-19 case in British Columbia was reported on January 28. It was also linked to travel in Wuhan, and was completely contained. [7][11]

The first case outside either Ontario or British Columbia was reported in Montreal, Quebec, on February 28, in a patient who had returned from Iran. [14] Toronto had reported its first case linked to Iran travel two days earlier. [7] Travel-related cases to Egypt, India, the U.S., France, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, and the UK were reported during the following week. [7]

Canada's first case in Alberta was also its first case in a person who was repatriated from the Grand Princess. [15] During the following week, travel-related cases were reported in every part of Canada except the far north.

Statistics[edit]

As of March 20, Canada has reported 873 cases, with 12 deaths.[link to match infobox] Canada recorded its first COVID-19 death on March 9. [7]

Five men are reported dead. In seven cases, gender has not been released. [7] In the global pattern to date, more men have died than women. [16] However, most cases have not yet been resolved, so gender-based conclusions are preliminary.[link to match infobox]

All Canadians who died of COVID-19 were over 50 years of age. [7] One was in his 50s, while another was in his 60s; all others were older. [7] Seven residents of the Lynn Valley care centre have died. [7] Globally, 80% of those who have died of COVID-19 were over 60. [17] Details of underlying health conditions are only available for three cases; but the man who died in his 50s did have underlying health conditions. [7]

Very few Canadian children have been reported with COVID-19. Previous research from China suggests that while children generally have milder symptoms, children under school age may be particularly vulnerable and may fall seriously ill. [18]

"Epidemiology" section done. "Transportation restriction" section follows. In general, I listed airlines in order of severity of route changes. I looked for specific information about loyalty programs, and found very little. Keep an eye on this -- it is likely to change.

Not sure, who added this as they did not sign. I am not eager to check, but will comment as such so this will archive eventually.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 23:24, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
[Post made by 66.11.171.90 (talk; date uncertain] Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 13:25, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Transportation impact[edit]

Air[edit]

Porter Airlines has suspended all service starting March 21. [1] WestJet has cancelled all its international flights, including to the U.S., starting March 22, [2] and has halved its domestic service. [3] Transat has been reducing flights, but has set no deadline. [4] Air Canada has reduced domestic flights [5] and suspended most of its international flights, but will maintain "air-bridges" until April 30 to London, Paris, Frankfurt, Delhi, Tokyo, Hong Kong, and 13 U.S. locations to allow Canadians to return home. [6]

Smaller airlines are consolidating services or cancelling routes based on customer demand. As of March 19, Air North has cancelled most of its Vancouver flights, and consolidated its northern Yukon route, but it has extended the validity of its flight passes by two months. [7] In-flight service has also been reduced, and lounges closed. [8]

Most Canadian airlines are temporarily waiving cancellation fees and one-time change fees. [4] Most are offering flight credits instead of refunds. [4] There is some controversy over higher prices being charged for the changed flights, since changes are being made closer to departure. [9] WestJet has stated that it is lowering the price on inbound international flights; while Sunwing will allow one-time changes at no additional cost. [9]

Rail[edit]

VIA Rail cancelled all overnight trains except the Churchill, which will no longer be offering sleeper service. [10] The co-branded Amtrak Maple Leaf is cancelled. [10] Originally VIA Rail halved the number of its Corridor [11] trains, [12] but as of March 19, only fifteen Corridor trains are still running. [10] Other routes are still running on a once-a-week basis. [10]

All VIA Rail business lounges are closed. [10] All VIA 1 service is suspended. [10] Economy passengers will receive a complementary bottle of water and snack. [10]

VIA Rail is temporarily waiving cancellation fees and one-time change fees. [10] Cancellations will result in a full refund. [10]

These restrictions hit VIA Rail less than a week after it was able to restore most of the rail service cancelled due to anti-pipeline solidarity protests. [13][14]

Ground[edit]

Greyhound Lines cancelled services between Canada and the U.S. after the border was closed to non-essential traffic. [15] https://www.greyhound.com/en/help-and-info/travel-info/schedule-service-changes Passengers can choose between a one-time complementary change or travel credit. [16] As of March 20, other Canadian Greyhound routes are not affected.

Halifax Transit is waiving fares on its entire system, including ferries, to help maintain separation between drivers and passengers.[17]

Yellow Cab Halifax drivers are now required to wear gloves and masks while on duty, and to wipe down equipment as frequently as possible. Passengers will no longer be allowed to sit in the front seat. [18]

As of March 20, rental car companies are not yet affected.

Ferries[edit]

BC Ferries is currently operating on a reduced schedule. [19] All food service except for vending machines has been suspended. [20] As of March 17, BC ferries will allow passengers to stay with their vehicles on the car deck. Transport Canada regulations previously did not allow this for safety reasons. [21]

Washington State Ferries service between Anacortes, Washington and Sidney, British Columbia and Clipper Ferry [22] service between Seattle and Victoria, British Columbia were suspended after the border was closed to non-essential traffic. [23][24] The Black Ball Ferry Line will suspend service between Port Angeles, Washington and Victoria, British Columbia starting March 30. [25]

Transportation section done.

Whomever added this, also did not sign.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 23:25, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
[Post made by tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk; date uncertain] Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 13:29, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Timeline graph[edit]

The timeline graph does not align with the source provided, and usually does not. There is only one source, https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection.html. As of March 21st at 6:36 PM EDT there are more cases reported on the wiki page, than on the source. This is even more surprising since the chart only goes up until the 20th at this time, it is above the current total while also a day behind, quite misleading. I'm new to editing Wikipedia so I'm not sure what to do here. .iLlertton (talk)

I have been updating the timeline based on the provincial and territorial government sources at the end of the day. The Canadian page also reflects those sources, but has a delay and is often behind. The up-to-date math from each province and territory can be seen in the templates in the data section. UmpireRay (talk) 23:23, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
There is also an official set of numbers here: https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection/health-professionals/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html its a few days behind but we should ensure our numbers match these. --hroest 19:33, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
It is reasonable to sue the provincial and territorial government sources, in my opinion. In that case, however, the sources at the bottom of the table should not cite "'Coronavirus disease (COVID-19): Outbreak update'. Government of Canada". Can we update the sources section with the actual sources being used? Otherwise, it calls the numbers into question. Also, if the source differed for different date ranges, let's call that out, too. JoeSchlabotnik (talk) 19:04, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Infobox Maps[edit]

2020 coronavirus pandemic in Canada
COVID-19 Outbreak Cases in Canada (Density).svg
COVID-19 Outbreak Cases in Canada (Pop Density).svg
COVID-19 outbreak Canada per capita cases map.svg
DiseaseCOVID-19
LocationCanada
First outbreakWuhan, Hubei, China
Index caseSunnybrook Hospital
Toronto, Ontario
Arrival dateJanuary 25, 2020
(2 months and 1 week)
Confirmed cases1,302
Recovered14
Deaths
19
Official website
canada.ca/coronavirus

These stretch pretty far down the page. Perhaps we should put in place a map switcher option like is present here. That could reduce clutter. Alternatively, we could move some of the more detailed maps to a section at the end.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 20:08, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

I think all three maps are very important to have right at the beginning of the article. They provide really good visual information about the progress of the disease across Canada, using three different metrics, broken down into increasing detail. I think that's really good regional, information to have, and the maps provides it "at-a-glance", rather than the reader having to wade through lots of text. If there is a toggling option, I'd be interested to see it, but would oppose any chsnge to the location. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 22:20, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
It would look something like this. Perhaps someone can code this better than I though. I had a hard time fitting in the legend on the second map.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 00:31, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
I like this idea, it seems much more compact and informative than simply showing all options. --hroest 01:08, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the work on this, I have changed the article infobox accordingly. UmpireRay (talk) 04:04, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
Looks good! The only comment I have is the cases per million map - is there any way to enlarge the legend? I have to zoom in on the map to read it. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 06:29, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
Not sure. I was trying to make it fit horizontally. Of course, the second map includes seven colours in the ledgend. It doesn't really fit horizontally. I see the version UmpireRay added to the article does has the legend appear vertically. That is fine too, but seems to stretch the content out a bit.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 16:22, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
Can we please add PEI to the first map, the one with the numbers of cases? It is not visible in the first map. 142.122.141.211 (talk) 09:40, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
It is included in the map, it is just hard to make out the shape of the island because there is little contrast between the white background and the light colour the legend uses for 1-9 cases. Unfortunately, PEI will likely become more visible as there are inevitably more cases there.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 17:44, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
The per-capita by health region map is useful, but quite stale data now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.103.111.110 (talk) 19:38, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Archiving of the Talk Page[edit]

There are currently over 50 discussions open on this page. I have changed the archiving to every seven (7) days. This is a fast moving topic. I expect that is appropriate. Any important discussions that are not ongoing can be pinned. If anyone disagrees feel free to change it back, but 30 days seems long given the topic and existing lenght of the talk page.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 20:13, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Where are the archived pages going to? There's no link to the archives in the archive infobox on this page, as far as I can see? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 13:14, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Okay, i finally saw the Archives link higher up on the Talk page boxes. Would it be possible to add the filing Cabinet icon by the link, to make it easier to find the archives? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 16:17, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Should we be using this sidebar in this article or in the provincial/territorial ones?[edit]

I came across it on our article about the political effects of the virus. It does not seem to be used on the main page about the pandemic or the American or provincial articles. I am not sure why. Anyway, maybe we should use it. Maybe we shouldn't. Discuss.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 21:01, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

I raised the same question in an earlier Talk post and got no response. I think the maps are the main thing. Given the length of the TOC, putting this after the maps would probably help fill in some blank spaces. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 16:15, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

suffering from recentism[edit]

I notice that parts of the article suffer from WP:Recentism. The table in the government response section is one such example. The restrictions came up over time, but it only shows the current state. There is no discussion of how it has changed over time. A full discussion, with changes over time, would be much more encyclopedic in my opinion, but would require someone to take on the writing. Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:40, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes, this is the case with all articles of this type. Feel free to change WP:BOLD. --hroest 17:00, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Edit suggestion: Canadian research[edit]

I've returned to frwiki where I am working on the French-language counterpart to this article. There we have a section called Recherche and I had added what seems to me to be a notable Canadian COVID-19 research initiative at the Montreal Heart Institute: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/montreal-heart-institute-study-colchicine-1.5506930 . Not sure where and how it would fit into the English article, as we had all the research under "federal" and this is not, but I thought I'd offer the suggestion. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:25, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

I am not sure, research is global and its results will affect all countries (we are all in this together) and is probably better described in other articles and not in country-specific artiles. However, if the research is part of the government response then it should be part of the article. So I suggest: describe research results in other articles, describe funding and research initiatives sponsored as a result of the pandemic here. Sounds ok? --hroest 17:00, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Yes of course. Good point. I'll leave it in the French article - which is nowhere near as closely watched as this and where there is a particular interest in Quebec-based developments - though I'd have no objection if you or someone chooses to remove it there. I'll also leave a note on the Talk page of Coronavirus_disease_2019#Research. So consider this  Done and please archive, if you will. thanks Hannes, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:44, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

More recognition[edit]

As I mentioned I'm back at frwiki, but there is more praise for your work from Andrew Coyne, who does not do so without good reason: https://twitter.com/acoyne/status/1242883940211396617 . Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:43, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

And a shoutout to Doc James: https://twitter.com/ShawnGoldwater/status/1242871876642385921 Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:45, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Alberta[edit]

I added several sentences here that I also used in the article 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Alberta.Oceanflynn (talk) 21:06, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 March 2020[edit]

Add main article link

to the 'Nova Scotia' sub-subsection of the 'Provincial and territorial' subsection of the 'Government response' section 173.212.77.61 (talk) 23:49, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 00:11, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-Protected Edit Request: Newfoundland Restrictions[edit]

Restrictions in place in Newfoundland and Labrador as shown on this page are very much out of date. See here for a more accurate list: https://www.gov.nl.ca/covid-19/

Gatherings of more than 10 people are banned.

In-Person dining at restaurants is banned - only take-out, delivery, and drive-thru are allowed.


47.55.241.24 (talk) 15:04, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Line Graph Number of Cases change from linear scale to logarithmic ad note[edit]

This is a suggestion to add a note below the graphs today as they changed from a linear scale (showing exponential growth) to a logarithmic scale which will lead some less mathematically inclined people to think the curve is flattening (when in fact its a graphing scale change). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.154.13.80 (talk) 14:59, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Done. Nfitz (talk) 16:42, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Tenses[edit]

The tenses in this article are all over the place. Past tense should be used, not present tense. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 19:14, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

new confirmed cases in Canada given as 1098, but should be 1127 (Alberta's figures not in total) — Preceding unsigned comment added by First Get Your Facts (talkcontribs) 01:20, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Edit Request 30 March 2020[edit]

March 30 total new cases in the table "COVID-19 cases in Canada by province" should be 1127. Addition error. - R — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.157.179.170 (talk) 02:18, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 April 2020[edit]

The amount of deaths in the infobox needs to be updated to 101. See cited ref:Tracking every case of COVID-19 in Canada - CTV News 68.148.230.9 (talk) 00:47, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks for the heads up! --Tenryuu 🐲💬 • 📝) 04:19, 1 April 2020 (UTC)