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The way the article is currently written implicates Aaron Parnas in activities that Lev Parnas did. Aaron Parnas was not involved with the Trump Administration or any of the criminal activities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jol451shore1 (talk • contribs) 16:22, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Jol451shore1 Please quote specific instances where you say this implication occurs, and please provide WP:RS for your claim that he wasn't involved with the Trump admin. (👋 • 🗣 • ✍️) 19:31, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The way the current article is written looks fine, before the edits, the article implied that Aaron Parnas made any donations, took pictures, or funded the Trump administration, when the articles cited only suggest that Lev Parnas was involved and had no mention of Aaron. Also, there are no sources to show that Aaron was not involved with the Trump Admin as there are no articles that show that he was involved. It is impossible to prove something that did not occur. Jol451shore1 (talk) 20:17, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The cited articles both says that Parnas was at Trump events and was involved in creating a shell company. "The documents filed in Florida allege that the money for the contribution came from a shell company called Aaron Investments that Parnas used to hide assets and avoid creditors." "A photo posted on Facebook by Parnas' son Aaron Parnas at a gala that week also shows him posing with Betsy Devos, soon-to-be Education Secretary, at what appears to be a ball on inauguration night. Aaron can also be seen in the ticketed seating area at the inauguration in a CNN photograph." Pennsylvania2 (talk) 02:04, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The cited articles do not say that Aaron Parnas was involved in creating a shell company. The cited articles refer to Lev Parnas, not Aaron. There is no evidence that Aaron had any part in any of that. Moreover, Aaron posted one photograph, not all of the photographs that were initially attributed to him by the previous statement. Jol451shore1 (talk) 03:00, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The text you have been removing doesn't implicate Aaron as having been involved in the creation of the shell company, only that he contributed funds that went to Trump. Clearly you might have some sort of conflict of interest on this article, and it is advisable you stop editing it, lest you get blocked from editing. ~XyNqtc 14:10, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
How can we cite to a blog over the Federal Election Commission, which is the accurate source for all political donations? The FEC notes that no political donations were made by Aaron Parnas, so we cannot say that he made any, even if a blog speculates about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jol451shore1 (talk • contribs) 13:58, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The source does not claim that Parnas donated to Trump. He donated $3,500 to Aaron Investments, which then donated the money to Trump. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 14:02, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You're skirting around the issue. While you may be technically correct, in that a donation was not made in Aaron's name, the point you're consistently removing and appearing to not acknowledge, is that the donations were made under the shell company's name.Hey man im josh (talk) 14:03, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The source does not assert that Aaron's money was ever used to fund the donation, it merely states that $325,000 in donations were made by Aaron Investments, yet the source also asserts that over $1,000,000 came into the Aaron Investments account. There is no indication that Aaron's money was used to fund a donation, nor is there evidence to support that Aaron sent money to donate to Trump. Jol451shore1 (talk) 14:14, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This topic has also been written about extensively. If what you are asserting is true, wouldn't other sources have discussed it, or even mentioned this in passing? There is no legitimate source, outside of a blog (not written by a journalist), to even suggest this. Jol451shore1 (talk) 14:18, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The source says that Aaron Investments gave the $325,000 to America First Action. According to the source: "The final three wire transfers, which all came into Aaron Investments I, LLC within an 18 day period in the middle of January, 2018, totaled $5,300. These transfers came from Aaron G. Parnas." The website is written by Marcy Wheeler. According to Wikipedia, the site you are trying to edit she is " a journalist specializing in national security and civil liberties. " You have been on Wikipedia for one day, but have made it a priority of yours to only make edits to paint a better picture of Parnas on his page. Seems like you likely have a conflict of interest or you very well could be Parnas himself. You must disclose such a conflict of interest according to Wikipedia policy. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 14:41, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
First, the article was written by Jim White, not Marcy Wheeler. This article is a blog post, not a proper source. Second, the source says "that just two days before making the super PAC contribution, Aaron Investments I, LLC received a $1.26 million transfer." Two days later, according to the source, a $325,000 donation was made to America First Action. At the end of the page, it notes that $5,300 dollars came in from Aaron Parnas, four months prior to the $325k donation, but never asserts why that money came in or whether any of that money went to America First Action. Instead, it is evident from the article that there was over 1 million dollars in this entity, and only 325k was ever donated to the PAC. Asserting that Aaron Parnas transferred this $5300 for the purpose of making the political donation is improper, especially when the blog post never says that. It appears as though you are biased against Aaron Parnas, for whatever reason, as you continue to put in information that is not properly sourced and is biased, as noted by Wiki administrators. Jol451shore1 (talk) 14:47, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Your source also refers itself to be the "Emptywheel blog," not a legitimate source. Jol451shore1 (talk) 14:49, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Here is the direct quote from Wikipedia Administrators about your statement: I'd also just point out that there's a specific exemption to the edit-warring policies at WP:3RRNO, which states the one of the exemptions is "Removing contentious material that is libellous, biased, unsourced, or poorly sourced according to Wikipedia's biographies of living persons (BLP) policy." Now one could certainly argue that edits like this are poorly sourced, and they're certainly biased. Material like that should definitely be impeccably sourced, and this isn't. Black Kite (talk) 14:34, 22 June 2022 (UTC) Jol451shore1 (talk) 14:52, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If the website is your problem, then we can use the Daily Beast. See page 16 [1]. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 15:04, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That does not say that the money came in to make a political donation.... Jol451shore1 (talk) 15:06, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
He donated the money to Aaron Investments. The main article says this is what they did with it. [2]Pennsylvania2 (talk) 15:09, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The main article does not say that Aaron Investments used the 5,300 to make a political contribution. The main article refers to 325k in political contributions, yet it also asserts that Aaron Investments received over 1 million dollars. You cannot just assume that Aaron's $5300 (which is not necessarily a donation, but merely a wire transfer) went to make a political contribution or was used for the purpose of a political contribution. Also, once again, the main article is a blog post. Jol451shore1 (talk) 15:12, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Your proposed edit is not referenced in the Daily Beast, and is also irrelevant to Aaron Parnas. What if that money was for personal expenses or household expenses? If there is no relevance in including the fact that he never donated to Republicans, there certainly is no relevance in making your edit. Jol451shore1 (talk) 15:28, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
WP:DAILYBEAST: There is no consensus on the reliability of The Daily Beast. Most editors consider The Daily Beast a biased or opinionated source. Some editors advise particular caution when using this source for controversial statements of fact related to living persons.
@Pennsylvania, please discuss here without changing the article. You continue to edit the article to include information that was previously deemed untrustworthy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23tyler12 1 (talk • contribs) 00:57, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@23tyler12 1 The FEC documents here [3] show that Aaron donated $5,300 to Aaron Investments. There is no question about the donation and therefore can be included. The question previously was whether that went to Trump and we do not know that money directly went to his campaign, so that should not be included in the article. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 01:10, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Those are not FEC documents, the 5300 sent by Aaron was a wire transfer, not a political donation. There is no reason to include every bank transfer Aaron Parnas makes, considering there was no impropriety ever mentioned. If you search the FEC, there are no political donations made by Aaron Parnas. 23tyler12 1 (talk) 16:14, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
They are donations to a political organization that received coverage from multiple sources making it notable. Additionally, you are removing other info that relates to his other political ventures. Finally, you have just created this account and are making edits only to make Parnas look good. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 20:12, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
They are not donations to a political organization. Aaron Investments is not a political organization. I have taken out any reference to the donation because it is irrelevant to Aaron Parnas. 23tyler12 1 (talk) 21:01, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@23tyler12 1 You must disclose any conflicts of interest you have. It's highly likely you're a sock puppet account for someone connected to Parnas given you just created this account (like a similar old account) and are making edits to paint Parnas in a very positive light. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 22:29, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
