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Tone of article

I've just done a lot of cutting to change the tone of the article. It was more like a puff piece than an encyclopedia article. I'm sure there are places where I've left things a little jagged. I'll try and read over it with a fresh eye in a 4 or 5 days.

I also removed most of the content about the George Foundation - it has it's own article. If we want to merge the two we could, but that seems unreasonable, there;s enough to say about them both. The George Foundation article is linked in the lead and directly under the sub-section here. People can go to the main article for more details and we won't have to maintain the two. -- Siobhan Hansa 15:19, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Recent edit on this article restored to older version.

11:22, 27 September 2024‎ Oblivy talk contribs‎ 10,543 bytes −751‎ Restored revision 1246497263 by Bookish14 (talk): Links, particularly in a biographical article, must be high quality and reliable; self-published sources, either by the article subject or organizations listed in the article, are unlikely to meet this standard; also, please do not add redlinks (links to non-existent wikipedia pages) undothank Tags: Twinkle Undo

Can you please let me know which links do not meet the standards.

Had done the following changes 1. Citation added to the name George with his personal website: drabrahamgeorge.com 2. Chinese war of 1962 did not have a wikipedia page, but sino-indian war 1962 is the same and has a wikipedia page, so changed it and linked to wikipedia page. 3. AIO- citation added to their webpage 4. Keralasamajam webpage citation added 5. GOPIO website added as citiation 6. Dr. George getting the Stewart Satter Social Entrepreneurship Award proof from this link added as citation https://www.philanthropy.com/article/awards-178513/

Kindly let me know what has to be removed in the above citation so that the remaining citations could remain rather than undo the whole page.

Thanks Georgy M Mathew Georgymm (talk) 06:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For one, you linked over and over to his personal website, in fact it seems you did a find-and-replace for every instance of the word "George" and then added a link aftwerwards. Please read WP:SELFPUB. A number of other links were to organizations that supposedly gave him recognition, which are primary sources, rather than secondary sources.

As an inexperienced editor I understand that you may not be familiar with policies, but the top of your talk page has a lot of links which you should read. Until you show that you have considered those I don't think it would be productive to have a source-by-source discussion. ~~At this point, this article appears to fails our notability guideline for living people and as such could be subject to deletion unless reliable sources are found.~~

Regarding the Sino-Indian War link, you're right -- that was a good edit. Oblivy (talk) 09:35, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've looked at the six sources on this page and struck my comment about notability. I stand by everything else above:

"Dr. Abraham M. George | Shanti Bhavan Children's Project". www.shantibhavanonline.org. Archived from the original on 8 July 2016. Retrieved 18 July 2016. this source appears to have no content, but is available on archive.org - he founded the organization and thus this source lacks independence (such profiles are generally written by the article subject)
Friedman, Thomas (2006). The World Is Flat: A Brief History of the Twenty-first Century. Farrar, Straus and Giroux. ISBN 0-374-29279-5. - this is significant coverage
George, Abraham (2005). India Untouched: The Forgotten Face of Rural Poverty. Cranston, RI: Writers' Collective. ISBN 1-59411-122-7. - self-penned, not counted for notability
Gross, Daniel (Fall–Winter 2006). "Return of the Native Son". STERNbusiness. Retrieved 13 April 2007. - this is significant coverage
George, Abraham. India Untouched. - self-penned, not counted for notability
Hale, Mike (28 July 2017). "Review: 'Daughters of Destiny' on Netflix Explores Caste Struggles in India". The New York Times. Retrieved 24 April 2022. - he's mentioned once, rest of the article is about the foundation

In my view, anything which is in the Gross article or the Friedman book can be stated in the article (although for some biographical details Gross is probably relying on the article subject). The rest is not verifiable and should be removed. Adding additional primary or non-independent sources should be avoided. Oblivy (talk) 01:15, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply and advice.

what about changing Se la to Sela Pass that has a wikipedia page. Is it allowed.

For one, you linked over and over to his personal website, in fact it seems you did a find-and-replace for every instance of the word "George" and then added a link aftwerwards. Please read WP:SELFPUB. A number of other links were to organizations that supposedly gave him recognition, which are primary sources, rather than secondary sources.

So you say that his website cannot be mentioned as a citation at all.

Since I am inexperienced, would love to learn from experienced members like you. Kindly help me through the journey. Georgymm (talk) 05:10, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Generally, linking to another wikipedia page is fine, especially if the term is not a very common one.
In my opinion, a person's website should not be used as a source, because a person can say anything about themselves. Oblivy (talk) 22:45, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]