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A fact from Adoration of the Magi with Saint Helena appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 29 November 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Adoration of the Magi with Saint Helena was once the main altarpiece at Sant'Elena, a church dedicated to its namesake?

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The result was: promoted by RoySmith (talk) 14:52, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Adoration of the Magi with Saint Helena by Palma Vecchio

~~... that the Adoration of the Magi with Saint Helena (pictured) is a painting that depicts the Nativity of Christ, where Saint Helena is present which is not natural in the setting?~~ Source: Ferri, Edgarda (2010). Elena, Costantino e la Croce [Helen, Constantine and the Cross] (in Italian). Mondadori.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Warg

5x expanded by JeBonSer (talk). Self-nominated at 02:57, 7 September 2022 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: New article created by User:MaybeItsBecauseImALondoner (not sure why they are not co-nominator in this DYK!?) Infobox may be added. Various long sentences in the "Provenance" section are quite confusing; like "man from Bergamo" can easily be written as "Vecchio" instead of being poetic. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 12:55, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Checked:
- Remind

I am the one who "expanded" the article from a "stub" created by MaybeItsBecauseImALondoner.
- Resolved: Section "Provenance"
- Implemented: Infobox artwork

JeBonSer ^{(talk | sign)} 06:17, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks and good to go now. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 09:29, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- @Dharmadhyaksha and JeBonSer: absent expertise on my part, I'd categorize the first, third, and fourth paragraphs of "Provenance", as well as the final sentence in "Description and style", as statements that require citation for DYK. Could citations be added? Also, I'm afraid I don't understand the hook? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 17:03, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Theleekycauldron: ALT1: ~~... that the Adoration of the Magi with Saint Helena (pictured) is a painting that depicts the Nativity of Christ, where Saint Helena is present in the setting which is unusual?~~
    Also citations implemented. JeBonSer ^{(talk | sign)} 11:07, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    - Alt1 is regrettably confusing, and cannot be promoted as written, so I have struck it. And I have to ask, is it truly unusual for saints to be in paintings with Jesus, even though they weren't born until centuries after Jesus' death? It seems to me that I've seen any number of anachronistic depictions like this one. Indeed, the article notes that Saint Helena's inclusion indicates that the painting was intended for the church's altar—apparently a common practice. JeBonSer, I'd like to suggest that you take a different approach with your next hook suggestion. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:33, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      - @BlueMoonset: ALT2: ~~... that the Adoration of the Magi with Saint Helena (pictured) is once a main altarpiece at Sant'Elena, a church dedicated after its name?~~ Source: Mariacher, Giovanni (1975). Palma Vecchio in "The Painters of Bergamo of the Sixteenth Century". Bergamo: Poligrafiche Bolis.. JeBonSer ^{(talk | sign)} 09:33, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@JeBonSer: You probably meant to write "namesake" (namesake), not "name", right?

ALT2a: ... that the Adoration of the Magi with Saint Helena (pictured) was once the main altarpiece at Sant'Elena, a church dedicated to its namesake?

I've rephrased the new hook above to read better grammatically (I think), but it should basically say the same. Unsure if it should say "a main" or "the main", but maybe you know @BlueMoonset. –LordPeterII (talk) 15:28, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer needed to check ALT2a. I'm not sure about "a main" or "the main" either. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:27, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Alt2a is good to go. Initial article review already done by me. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 12:44, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]