Talk:Alaska Purchase

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what happened to the residents?[edit]

Were they granted US citizenship? were they not granted citizenship but allowed to stay under some other terms? were they kicked out? were there simply none of them? Plugwash (talk) 17:23, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Look at Article III:

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=015/llsl015.db&recNum=575 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.188.78.46 (talk) 17:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Are there original documents?[edit]

The copy of the treaty from the library of congress is an unsigned transcript. The so-called Russian copy in the Wikipedia article just lists the tsar's titles without mentioning anything about the actual treaty. Can I find the photocopies of original signed documents somewhere? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.48.31.88 (talk) 21:37, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Transfer ceremony[edit]

The transition sentence "When the business with the flags was finally over," following the humorous eye-witness account quoted at length above it, initially struck me as a little too conversational ("encyclopedic tone,") but it struck me as fairly apropos, considering the subject matter: the quoted passage it follows is indeed dryly humorous, and the notion of an official ceremony taking place in such a remote spot is charming. I didn't write it, and it hasn't been challenged, but I like it. It is language such as Plutarch or Tacitus might have used. Thoughts? Alan Canon (talk) 23:37, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

It's hilarious and I like it. Rjensen (talk) 03:01, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Calendar Change Date[edit]

As is, "Alaska Day" puts the formal calendar change as occurring at the midnight of October 18/19 Gregorian. Is there evidence for this? Others have considered it to be a day earlier, at the midnight of October 17/18 Gregorian. Or did the formal calendar change occur during the ceremony, at the changeover moment, making October 18th a late-starting day in Alaska (the article puts the transfer in the afternoon, presumably local mean solar time)? 94.30.84.71 (talk) 13:11, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Reference to http://opoccuu.com/alyaska.htm is unacceptable.[edit]

This source is absolutely not credible. I've read this article, this is just a crazy compilation (in Russian) of insane historical anecdotes, anonymous at that (although at the beginning, the author claims: "You wonder what was the real history of selling Alaska? I will tell you how it really happened" -- without mentioning his own name anywhere on the page! The main idea of the whole article is that Russia never gained a penny of the Alaska money -- all $7 million was all stolen by a genius crook! Somebody should remove all references to this source as well as everything it cites, including 5% interest on money borrowed from Rotshild's. Rozmysl (talk) 16:15, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Alaska Purchase Centennial[edit]

IMO, a major omission is the lack of any mention of the Alaska Purchase Centennial. This was a huge event in Alaska and spawned numerous civic improvments which remain today, perhaps the most significant of which being A-67. I can only assume this to be yet another example of the community effectively deeming something non-notable because easy sourcing isn't at hand or because it doesn't relate to modern pop culture. RadioKAOS  – Talk to me, Billy 09:39, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Could someone please add Gherghe Pomutz here please?[edit]

He played a massive role in that as according to Larry L. Watts at http://www.larrylwatts.com/ and, also, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Pomutz#Postbellum_career — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.93.4.1 (talk) 15:34, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

No. he played a minor role as one of numerous diplomats who worked on the final text. Other people made the decisions. Rjensen (talk) 17:34, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Connection to abolition of Russian serfdom?[edit]

This article, a reference for Corporate-owned life insurance in the United States, asserts that Alaska was sold in part due to the expenses the tsar incurred in purchasing the freedom of Russia's serfs. There's no mention of it here or at Emancipation reform of 1861, however. Any truth to it? --BDD (talk) 00:47, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

I have not seen any historian make that claim. Some government bonds were paid to the owners, but the freed serfs had to repay that money to the tsar over the next 50 years. (They paid more than the land was worth.) Rjensen (talk) 01:24, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Strategic Importance[edit]

In discussion of the "payback" on the initial investment there should be at least passing mention of the military strategic importance of Alaska. It affords rapid naval deployment to Northeast Asia in particular and puts much of the entire northern hemisphere within easy reach of aerial weapon systems such as bombers and ICBMs.

Just a thought. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.49.151.68 (talk) 03:10, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm not aware of major naval bases in Alaska that would be part of any such deployment; air force definitely, yes. But what you are talking about began almost a century (ok, well 80 years or so) after the Purchase and is irrelevant to "payback" for the Purchase in its own temporal context. Even during WWII naval deployment from Alaska isn't all that notable, though air defence was. In the 19th Century the US involvement in Northeast Asia was marginal; the first involvement I can think of was TER's negotiation of the Russo-Japanese War treaty.Skookum1 (talk) 04:48, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Fair enough. I was actually thinking primarily of air defense and just threw the naval thing in as a flier. I am so lazy these days I didn't even google for the facts. Also, of course, Alaska has been superseded in strategic importance by extra-territorial US military bases closer to potential targets and by mobile nuclear platforms such as submarines. Still, there is a simple geometric advantage to having a standing air force near the pole which can not be ignored. Peace. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.146.156.11 (talk) 07:27, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

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Check used for the Alaska Purchase
The check used for the Alaska Purchase, issued on August 1, 1868, and signed by US Secretary of State William H. Seward. For a total of $7.2 million, the United States government purchased Russian America from the Russian Empire (represented here by Russian Minister to the United States Eduard de Stoeckl). The lands involved became the modern state of Alaska in 1959.Check: William H. Seward; scan: Our Documents initiative


Folly Comment[edit]

I am sorry Rjensen, I had just added that section and probably should have put it in the section two paragraphs above. When you removed it, I thought WP:OWN I guess, I will integrate the two now. I should have looked at the whole page in context.

yes but it's not a RS (not a published secondary source). We already have multiple scholarly books and articles that make the point in much greater depth. What new info does it add? Rjensen (talk) 05:38, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
i think it is secondary since it discusses previous media but you may remove it if you like. 05:53, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
ok i will. It is secondary, but it's not a scholarly source. But thank you for making a serious effort to improve the article! Rjensen (talk) 05:56, 31 August 2015 (UTC)


President[edit]

Although he may not have take the lead on the negotiations, it seems odd that President Johnson is not mentioned at all in the article, despite signing the treaty. Mattflaschen - Talk 05:51, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Interesting, I will research it. Jadeslair (talk) 05:55, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
I did a minor update on it. Jadeslair (talk) 06:33, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

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