Talk:Amélie of Leuchtenberg

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This article started out as Amélie de Beauharnais of Leuchtenberg then it go move to Amélie of Leuchtenberg and then by me to Amélie de Beauharnais and finally it go moved back to Amélie of Leuchtenberg. I want to hear other people opinion on this issue because the articles on her siblings should be uniform, either needing to be de Beauharnais or of Leuchtenberg.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 07:02, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Translation trickiness[edit]

I'm in the process of translating from the long, rather solid article in the Portuguese Wikipedia. One sentence is a bit of a minefield. In the Portuguese original, it reads "Uma notícia do London Times na época afirmou que ela era uma das princesas mais bem educadas e preparadas da Alemanha." My tentative translation of this, in the article, is "A contemporary piece in The Times of London affirms that she was one of the best mannered and best prepared princesses in the German world." However, consider the many difficulties in this one short sentence:

  • Uma notícia would normally be a news article; in this case probably just an article; my wording elides the issue.
  • London Times is obviously The Times of London.
  • mais bem educadas: most commonly in Portuguese, I believe this would mean "best mannered," (could be wrong: I have near-fluent Spanish, weaker Portuguese, and I'm sometimes biased by Spanish usage) but given that it is a paraphrase of something originally written in English, it might mean literally "best educated". I think this would be hard to settle without the original English-language article in The Times.
  • Alemanha: literally "Germany", but of course at the period in question, that was not the name of a country; the word was used in the großdeutsch rather than the kleindeutsch sense, and would include Austria and other German-speaking regions of Europe (e.g. the cities of Transylvania and often even the German-speaking regions of Switzerland).

It would be nice to find what The Times actually said. - Jmabel | Talk 05:53, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Jmabel. Here's a possible translation to the sentence:
  • "A news article of the London Times at that time affirmed that she was one of the most well educated and prepared princesses in Germany."
  • Although Germany was not unified yet, still, the geographical region was known as Germany.
Good luck with the article! --Lecen (talk) 03:02, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
Yes, "Germany" was in common use at the time but that usage can be very confusing to the modern reader, to whom "Germany" distinctly refers to an area that excludes Austria (though it does, admittedly, include Bavaria where she resided). And as I've read on, I agree that in this case mais bem educadas literally means "best educated" in this case; I will change that. I'd still like to see the original in The Times instead of a several-removes paraphrase. - Jmabel | Talk 02:54, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

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